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LA GM seems to have 130-210 points more than they "should" by the old numbers, but I won't try to figure it out anytime soon.
I actually think they also changed the Master mmr requirement because some not so high diamond in LA server have been promoted (to master league) and bragging on foruns, I actually think they shouldn't be there, but I have no way to confirm that unfortunatelly and Blizzard doesn't like to tell us these things 
If true, that shows that Blizzard can hotfix numbers in the system so fast that it's stupid to try to figure them out with the amount of work it requires from us. Also, numbers on different regions might start to differ significantly as they improve each region system to acomodate its reality, I at least expect our (LA) 56% of bronzes to have a lower number really soon
Also, I wouldn't be surprised of bronze offset in NA server were already different from the rest of the world since 2 weeks ago. That might have been their "fix" to the "bronze bug" situation, a pretty ok fix IMO.
As a proof, look at top bronzes: http://www.sc2ranks.com/ranks/all/bronze
They are all from NA server... coincidence? No way.
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That's cool, great addition to the website. FYI SDream the offset for Grandmaster is still the same as the other regions. This may change in the future, but at least for right now, LA players will continue to get rotated in and out of GM.
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On May 07 2011 04:16 Excalibur_Z wrote:
FYI SDream the offset for Grandmaster is still the same as the other regions. This may change in the future, but at least for right now, LA players will continue to get rotated in and out of GM.
That is unbelievable Excalibur, the LA players on sc2ranks appeared suddendly and at the same time around this week.
Well, I can believe that the master <-> grandmaster difference is still X (430 more or less), but some other thing changed instead then. Right now 3 LA players are on top 5 world at sc2ranks. Something did happen. If not an offset moddification, a MMR modification, we do have some possibilities, but no moddification is inbelievable  (also, it's a LA only moddification)
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On May 07 2011 04:40 SDream wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 04:16 Excalibur_Z wrote:
FYI SDream the offset for Grandmaster is still the same as the other regions. This may change in the future, but at least for right now, LA players will continue to get rotated in and out of GM. That is unbelievable Excalibur, the LA players on sc2ranks appeared suddendly and at the same time around this week. Well, I can believe that the master <-> grandmaster difference is still X (430 more or less), but some other thing changed instead then. Right now 3 LA players are on top 5 world at sc2ranks. Something did happen. If not an offset moddification, a MMR modification, we do have some possibilities, but no moddification is inbelievable (also, it's a LA only moddification)
I dunno, I asked about it today and that was the response I got =) I even specifically asked in the context of LA!
"does this [I was referring to the league population adjustment hotfix] also fix the GM league downward point trends for the small servers? that is, people who are deservedly diamond-level happening to be #180 in the server then having their points drop down to 0 basically until the point where they get demoted out of GM because they can't spend bonus pool"
"No, because of the way regions are currently set up. Which could be fixed in the not too distant future."
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The NA Grandmaster division is a lot more fluid than I thought. It seems like 1-3 people drop off each day or so, which is quite a bit more than I would have expected when I heard about the whole thing. At the moment there are even 3 open spots.
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yup, saw i 3 days ago, finalyl yo ucan view all grandmaster leagues from all regions officially (except from sc2ranks.com ) 
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On May 07 2011 04:59 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 04:40 SDream wrote:On May 07 2011 04:16 Excalibur_Z wrote:
FYI SDream the offset for Grandmaster is still the same as the other regions. This may change in the future, but at least for right now, LA players will continue to get rotated in and out of GM. That is unbelievable Excalibur, the LA players on sc2ranks appeared suddendly and at the same time around this week. Well, I can believe that the master <-> grandmaster difference is still X (430 more or less), but some other thing changed instead then. Right now 3 LA players are on top 5 world at sc2ranks. Something did happen. If not an offset moddification, a MMR modification, we do have some possibilities, but no moddification is inbelievable (also, it's a LA only moddification) I dunno, I asked about it today and that was the response I got =) I even specifically asked in the context of LA! "does this [I was referring to the league population adjustment hotfix] also fix the GM league downward point trends for the small servers? that is, people who are deservedly diamond-level happening to be #180 in the server then having their points drop down to 0 basically until the point where they get demoted out of GM because they can't spend bonus pool" "No, because of the way regions are currently set up. Which could be fixed in the not too distant future."
I play as a GM on SEA and I've heard from a good source that our MMR was raised to artificially inflate our points. I don't know how much and the reach of the effect but it does line up nicely with the whole LA people dominating sc2ranks now.
P.S. I heard this before I saw what was happening on sc2ranks.
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On May 12 2011 05:53 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 04:59 Excalibur_Z wrote:On May 07 2011 04:40 SDream wrote:On May 07 2011 04:16 Excalibur_Z wrote:
FYI SDream the offset for Grandmaster is still the same as the other regions. This may change in the future, but at least for right now, LA players will continue to get rotated in and out of GM. That is unbelievable Excalibur, the LA players on sc2ranks appeared suddendly and at the same time around this week. Well, I can believe that the master <-> grandmaster difference is still X (430 more or less), but some other thing changed instead then. Right now 3 LA players are on top 5 world at sc2ranks. Something did happen. If not an offset moddification, a MMR modification, we do have some possibilities, but no moddification is inbelievable (also, it's a LA only moddification) I dunno, I asked about it today and that was the response I got =) I even specifically asked in the context of LA! "does this [I was referring to the league population adjustment hotfix] also fix the GM league downward point trends for the small servers? that is, people who are deservedly diamond-level happening to be #180 in the server then having their points drop down to 0 basically until the point where they get demoted out of GM because they can't spend bonus pool" "No, because of the way regions are currently set up. Which could be fixed in the not too distant future." I play as a GM on SEA and I've heard from a good source that our MMR was raised to artificially inflate our points. I don't know how much and the reach of the effect but it does line up nicely with the whole LA people dominating sc2ranks now. P.S. I heard this before I saw what was happening on sc2ranks.
They aren't artificially raising MMR, just your LADDER points. It's a lot easier to modify ladder points like that over MMR. They already do it with division tiers.
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On May 12 2011 05:58 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 05:53 youngminii wrote:On May 07 2011 04:59 Excalibur_Z wrote:On May 07 2011 04:40 SDream wrote:On May 07 2011 04:16 Excalibur_Z wrote:
FYI SDream the offset for Grandmaster is still the same as the other regions. This may change in the future, but at least for right now, LA players will continue to get rotated in and out of GM. That is unbelievable Excalibur, the LA players on sc2ranks appeared suddendly and at the same time around this week. Well, I can believe that the master <-> grandmaster difference is still X (430 more or less), but some other thing changed instead then. Right now 3 LA players are on top 5 world at sc2ranks. Something did happen. If not an offset moddification, a MMR modification, we do have some possibilities, but no moddification is inbelievable (also, it's a LA only moddification) I dunno, I asked about it today and that was the response I got =) I even specifically asked in the context of LA! "does this [I was referring to the league population adjustment hotfix] also fix the GM league downward point trends for the small servers? that is, people who are deservedly diamond-level happening to be #180 in the server then having their points drop down to 0 basically until the point where they get demoted out of GM because they can't spend bonus pool" "No, because of the way regions are currently set up. Which could be fixed in the not too distant future." I play as a GM on SEA and I've heard from a good source that our MMR was raised to artificially inflate our points. I don't know how much and the reach of the effect but it does line up nicely with the whole LA people dominating sc2ranks now. P.S. I heard this before I saw what was happening on sc2ranks. They aren't artificially raising MMR, just your LADDER points. It's a lot easier to modify ladder points like that over MMR. They already do it with division tiers.
How do you think they increase your ladder points? It's not like they just give everyone a flat 200 points.
What I'm saying is that everyone's MMR got raised. Since the favoured system works as "Opponent's MMR compared to your points", opponents with an MMR equal to yours will start showing up as favoured(or slightly favoured), hence you get more points. It's the easiest way for Blizzard to inflate the ladder and as we can see it's extremely effective.
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On May 12 2011 06:18 youngminii wrote:
How do you think they increase your ladder points? It's not like they just give everyone a flat 200 points.
What I'm saying is that everyone's MMR got raised.
They can't change people's MMRs without screwing up the matching system. However, they can change the division offset, which is used to specify the mapping between a ladder point score and MMR.
The "favored" behavior you're describing occurs because that offset has been changed so that a higher point score corresponds to the same MMR. For a period after such a change, people will start seeing their equally-matched opponents as "favored" until their ladder points increase to the new equilibrium value. Once their scores get high enough to match their MMRs, they'll see those players as "evenly matched." However, MMR hasn't changed.
This isn't quite "just giving everyone 200 points" but it's pretty close.
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On April 12 2011 09:00 brotosterone wrote:
So if you don't get in on the first two weeks, and all players stay active, you can't get into GM even if you become #1 in NA in the third week?
Or if u just suck terribly and dont win any games and therefore use the points that have been saved up ^_^
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On April 12 2011 09:00 brotosterone wrote:
So if you don't get in on the first two weeks, and all players stay active, you can't get into GM even if you become #1 in NA in the third week?
While technically that's correct, the reality of the situation is that currently there are 7 open spots for GM in the NA ladder at the moment.
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On April 17 2011 21:18 korona wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 15:40 Rizell wrote:
I really dont understand or like the GM system. For example, how can some great players not make it, while MaryLand is number 11 on EU GM right now with almost 300 games played these past 2 weeks... last season he was a 2800 diamond player... somehow he inflated his MMR high enough to enter GM during these 2 weeks.
Interesting character to follow regarding MMR is Maryland in EU server: http://sc2ranks.com/team/7395738#alltimeHe was a diamond player (was in diamond also the first two weeks during season 2), but suddenly in few days he was first promoted to masters and then to grand masters after having massive win streak. After this he has won only 7 in his last 45 1v1 matches. Due to this lose streak he has dropped to 0 points in EU grand masters league. One could suspect that somebody else than him played his character to grand masters. Hopefully this kind of (possible) abuse does not happen much in future ladder seasons, but I am afraid it may become more common, as people cannot be demoted from gm league if they are active. Regarding Maryland it will be interesting to follow up how his opponent levels progress, if his performance still continues to decrease in the future.
Well, after two months or so, I think I might have a clue as to what's happened with Maryland.
See just a few minutes ago, there I was on bnet, when I decided to wander into the teamliquid chat channel, just out of casual interest as to what goes on in there. And I wandered right into the middle of a conversation between two retards talking about maphacking, one of whom was, yes, this Maryland character (There's only one Maryland on EU, and that guy has been to Grandmasters among other places, so I'm pretty sure it's the same guy). And, because these guys are morons, I did feel obliged to point out that it was against the TOS, and that yes, maphacking does change the game (seriously, Maryland said it didn't!) and you can get banned for it. Somewhere along the way, Maryland let slip that he's been using maphacks since August 2010. Also from the context, he didn't have one installed right now either so it seems he's installed and uninstalled them on at least one occasion.
Naturally I screenshot this for evidence purposes, and then checkout google and teamliquid to see if he'd appeared in the Hacker database or whatever, but apparently nobody's spotted it until now; however he showed up in this thread (hence the rather old bumpage). So my answer is that it's probably not smurfing, as you suggest, but self-confessed hacking. Maryland's anomalous results weren't a flaw in GM league, but just a problem with online gaming in general. Hope this clears things up.
Screenshots of the dismal bnet chat channel conversation follow:
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One more prerequisite that is only important for small regions like LA and RU, it's impossible to get promoted to GM before being promoted to master.
SC2ranks does shows some guys in these regions being promoted as diamond, sometimes even as platinum or even gold I saw there. But I actually asked them and they were first promoted to master and then, after another game, they got the GM promotion.
That explain why LA, RU and maybe other regions don't have 200 players in the GM league, they don't have 200 "active" master players and it's impossible to diamond or lower players to get the spot.
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When will grandmaster open for this new season? And are the requirements still the same?
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On August 08 2011 06:56 Kira__ wrote:
When will grandmaster open for this new season? And are the requirements still the same?
Tuesday the 9th for Americas client should be the day for GM release. It is 2 weeks from that day from the start of the season.
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