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ccJroy
United States483 Posts
Obviously people have brought up the point that some of the big names players did not get in, i'm not gonna say i didnt try to get in, but took a nice 3 day losing streak to end that hope lol. But seriously, why have a GM league of the top 200 players, when it was only decided in the first 2 weeks? I'd love to see a fluxuating league to see who really is taking over the top 200 and see who broke through the bottom point wise to be top 200. | ||
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nyc863
200 Posts
These facts alone are enough to tell me that GM League by Blizzard is screwed up | ||
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StreetWise
United States594 Posts
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
Now, another question is: suppose a grandmaster player keeps using up their bonus pool but their MMR moving average gets low enough for them to be demoted to Diamond. I'd imagine they should get demoted, but it sounds like that might not happen (or is assumed to be impossible.) | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12267 Posts
On April 20 2011 11:39 nyc863 wrote: RootCatz and ThisIsJimmy did not get in, both wanted to, at least one ladders a LOT, both ranked in the top 100 for a long time, RootCatz #25. Apparently neither will be allowed into the GM League for some considerable time, no matter how well they play. These facts alone are enough to tell me that GM League by Blizzard is screwed up Not necessarily. People who ladder a lot may be able to get a lot of points, easily enough to get into the top of Master on SC2ranks, but may not necessarily have an MMR in the top 200. | ||
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Najda
United States3765 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12267 Posts
On April 21 2011 05:51 Najda wrote: Whats the point difference between masters and grandmasters? That's still something we're trying to determine. So far the estimate is between -350 and -450 from Master. | ||
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bLah.
Croatia497 Posts
On April 21 2011 06:26 Excalibur_Z wrote: That's still something we're trying to determine. So far the estimate is between -350 and -450 from Master. are you sure that there is point difference? I've seen examples where people got their points reduced to cca.330 even if some of them had 700 and some others had 1100. Also some people got their points increased from 60 to 220 etc. It just seems that they adjusted their points like when going into masters. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12267 Posts
On April 21 2011 06:30 bLah. wrote: are you sure that there is point difference? I've seen examples where people got their points reduced to cca.330 even if some of them had 700 and some others had 1100. Also some people got their points increased from 60 to 220 etc. It just seems that they adjusted their points like when going into masters. There's a point reset with every league change. No matter what league you get promoted or demoted into, your points are always reset to 73 + your spent bonus pool. | ||
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Prfx
51 Posts
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Zerker
Canada201 Posts
On April 21 2011 07:03 Prfx wrote: Another minor thing to consider might be the time at which people are laddering, as in if you're laddering at absurd times with less competetiveness, like 3am, you might be able to "farm" MMR relatively easy. from a person who has laddered at all times, I can certainly say 3am isn't the easiest. around 9am-1pm PST are easy ladder times. 1pm-12pm, Are ok, and 1am-9am is the hardest. From my experience you play a lot of Koreans and Europeans at 1am-9am, While at 1pm - 12am, You play a lot of Americans. Usually at 9am-1pm You just play either tired people or the early risers. Anyways thats just my experience from having a very messed up sleep pattern and playing at each time for more than a couple of weeks. | ||
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nyc863
200 Posts
On April 21 2011 01:17 Excalibur_Z wrote: Not necessarily. People who ladder a lot may be able to get a lot of points, easily enough to get into the top of Master on SC2ranks, but may not necessarily have an MMR in the top 200. I know this theory might apply to nobodies. but these two guys finish high in big tournaments. their win/loss ratios are high. they are at the top of their leagues, and play other pro players with 50:50 results. Again. If MMR contains the "real" ability and can remain hidden from all the *public* indications of ability for so long, for such constant ladder players, then the ladder rankings (that we can see) are all bogus and broken. But I don't think the public rankings are so broken, if RootCatz plays someone middling (rather than top) in masters league, he knows he is likely to be better than they are. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12267 Posts
On April 21 2011 16:50 nyc863 wrote: I know this theory might apply to nobodies. but these two guys finish high in big tournaments. their win/loss ratios are high. they are at the top of their leagues, and play other pro players with 50:50 results. Again. If MMR contains the "real" ability and can remain hidden from all the *public* indications of ability for so long, for such constant ladder players, then the ladder rankings (that we can see) are all bogus and broken. But I don't think the public rankings are so broken, if RootCatz plays someone middling (rather than top) in masters league, he knows he is likely to be better than they are. Skill curves are asymptotic (like ICCup for example where a B+ player was way way better than a B player), so while CatZ may be way way better than a middling Master player, his skill may still be below the top 200 players in MMR even though his points are in the top 200. I'll give you a proper example. Season 2 begins, someone like the #100 MMR guy plays a little, not a lot, just to get his bonus pool below 90 so he can become eligible for Grandmaster in a couple of weeks. However, the #1,000 guy really grinds games out and is able to get his points up to the top 100 in the region with ease, because even though he's at #1,000 in MMR, that's still far above the average Master league player which is who is feeding him points. The point difference between the #100 and #1,000 guy could even be huge -- say 500 points or more -- just because the #1,000 guy chose to play a lot more games. | ||
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Endorsed
Netherlands1221 Posts
On April 22 2011 00:46 Excalibur_Z wrote: Skill curves are asymptotic (like ICCup for example where a B+ player was way way better than a B player), so while CatZ may be way way better than a middling Master player, his skill may still be below the top 200 players in MMR even though his points are in the top 200. I'll give you a proper example. Season 2 begins, someone like the #100 MMR guy plays a little, not a lot, just to get his bonus pool below 90 so he can become eligible for Grandmaster in a couple of weeks. However, the #1,000 guy really grinds games out and is able to get his points up to the top 100 in the region with ease, because even though he's at #1,000 in MMR, that's still far above the average Master league player which is who is feeding him points. The point difference between the #100 and #1,000 guy could even be huge -- say 500 points or more -- just because the #1,000 guy chose to play a lot more games. I get what you are saying but somebody like Darkforce is one of the best european zergs, he only plays pro players when laddering. His MMR should be top 200. But he didn't get in right? Just doesn't make sense. Also, could somebody explain how I just got matched against Dimaga and Mondragon(lost both ofcourse) I got like 750 points in masters, how can I match people that highly skilled lol. | ||
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blowfish
Austria238 Posts
How is that even possible to win so much on the absolut Top of the ladder? I am speechless... | ||
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RAGEKalin
Bulgaria45 Posts
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Icx
Belgium853 Posts
On April 22 2011 00:51 Endorsed wrote: I get what you are saying but somebody like Darkforce is one of the best european zergs, he only plays pro players when laddering. His MMR should be top 200. But he didn't get in right? Just doesn't make sense. Also, could somebody explain how I just got matched against Dimaga and Mondragon(lost both ofcourse) I got like 750 points in masters, how can I match people that highly skilled lol. DarkForce did get into the GM league, for some reason it took him a while (like 1-2 days of a lot of games after the GM league was out), but he did get in eventually. Link to his profile: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/175901/1/aTnDarKFoRcE/ | ||
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Drunkasarous
United States96 Posts
On April 20 2011 11:39 nyc863 wrote: RootCatz and ThisIsJimmy did not get in, both wanted to, at least one ladders a LOT, both ranked in the top 100 for a long time, RootCatz #25. Apparently neither will be allowed into the GM League for some considerable time, no matter how well they play. These facts alone are enough to tell me that GM League by Blizzard is screwed up Also the fact that everyone's favorite Combat-EX is in the GM league. But its ladder, right? It doeskin mean shit. the GM league is basically saying "OK who best at ladder" What matters is the tournaments, NASL, MLG, Dreamhack, etc. Both Catz and Jimmy perform very well at tournaments like MLG so thats what matters IMHO | ||
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
On April 20 2011 11:39 nyc863 wrote: RootCatz and ThisIsJimmy did not get in, both wanted to, at least one ladders a LOT, both ranked in the top 100 for a long time, RootCatz #25. Apparently neither will be allowed into the GM League for some considerable time, no matter how well they play. These facts alone are enough to tell me that GM League by Blizzard is screwed up http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/315652/ROOTCatZ He only has 733 points. Maybe Catz is a good player in tournaments but maybe he sucks on the ladder. People who laddered over 100 games needed around 870 points at the beginning of tuesday to get into GM. If you look at his chart on sc2ranks. He started slumping a week before GM was released. Falling from 953 on April 9th to 733 on April 21th. His MMR was just not top 200 at the time GM was released. | ||
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
 Also, if anyone was wondering how a profile of someone that was droped from GM league would looks like: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/265868/2/iTBLiNd/ http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/20738/2/Dexturithy/ http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1005/2/TatanPRO/ Hope they fix this bug, cause it actually seems to worth it to drop out of GM league, shine icon :D | ||
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