EPTGrandmaster League Info Thread - Page 31
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ChrysaliS_
United States261 Posts
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/827507/1/Maryland/ladder/grandmaster  I won't even consider GM league as a league anymore, it's just a random thing that happens to random players for random reasons >.> Edit: We need to discover the GM offset as soon as possible so we can fuse them on sc2ranks and ignore its "status". | ||
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Max_Muller
32 Posts
On April 18 2011 13:52 SDream wrote: Maryland has proved to me that there's only one way of getting a "demotion" that is having more than 180 bonus pool: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/827507/1/Maryland/ladder/grandmaster I won't even consider GM league as a league anymore, it's just a random thing that happens to random players for random reasons >.> Edit: We need to discover the GM offset as soon as possible so we can fuse them on sc2ranks and ignore its "status". Obviously this player ''http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/827507/1/Maryland/ladder/grandmaster'' doesn't belong in GM but still you are wrong. With the exception of a few GM in EU is pretty accurate and all EU top players are in it. Stop crying about the system just because you didn't get in. | ||
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
On April 18 2011 15:32 Max_Muller wrote: Obviously this player ''http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/827507/1/Maryland/ladder/grandmaster'' doesn't belong in GM but still you are wrong. With the exception of a few GM in EU is pretty accurate and all EU top players are in it. Stop crying about the system just because you didn't get in. GM league is active for less than one week and it already has flaws. What can we expect in 2 months? Maryland is not the only flaw, it's just the most obvious flaw. | ||
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Happy Frog
Australia490 Posts
On April 18 2011 13:52 SDream wrote: Maryland has proved to me that there's only one way of getting a "demotion" that is having more than 180 bonus pool: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/827507/1/Maryland/ladder/grandmaster I won't even consider GM league as a league anymore, it's just a random thing that happens to random players for random reasons >.> Edit: We need to discover the GM offset as soon as possible so we can fuse them on sc2ranks and ignore its "status". GM offset is 0, just like master league. Edit: Whoops, -150, not 0. Regardless it uses the same system as master league. | ||
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
GM offset is something around 430 (from master), but we don't have the exact number yet. That means that 0 points in GM is +/- 430 points in Masters. | ||
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Happy Frog
Australia490 Posts
On April 18 2011 15:54 SDream wrote: GM offset is something around 430 (from master), but we don't have the exact number yet. That means that 0 points in GM is +/- 430 points in Masters. Hrm, not sure where I got that from, I swear it was from a blue post. Apologies for spreading false information then. I'll go and have a look and check I'm not crazy. | ||
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DiDigital
75 Posts
Obviously you then have to account for bonus pool and the 73 points gained in promotion, but with enough players I think this could provide a solid estimate of the point offset. Are there any issues I'm not seeing? Has someone already done this? | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33723 Posts
On April 18 2011 12:16 Lysenko wrote: They can block the spot until they hit 180 unused bonus points, at which point they will be immediately replaced by the next person on the list. You misunderstand me; there are two empty spots in the Korean GM league - I dont get why they are still empty with 100% of the server playing nonstop. And for those saying GM is useless, Im pretty damn sure its gonna be used for Blizzcon qualifiers, because thats how they used the pro-ladder in WC3, and how they used the regular ladder in Korea for last Blizzcon --; | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On April 18 2011 20:51 Liquid`Jinro wrote: You misunderstand me; there are two empty spots in the Korean GM league - I dont get why they are still empty with 100% of the server playing nonstop. And for those saying GM is useless, Im pretty damn sure its gonna be used for Blizzcon qualifiers, because thats how they used the pro-ladder in WC3, and how they used the regular ladder in Korea for last Blizzcon --; I would hope they use just the MMR for that. There are some good player (like EGDeMusliM) that are not in GM. And there will be newcomers that wont be in either. Other good players will fall out of it because their bonus pool will get too high. Its just a very arbitrary thing. | ||
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Silu
Finland165 Posts
On April 18 2011 20:51 Liquid`Jinro wrote: You misunderstand me; there are two empty spots in the Korean GM league - I dont get why they are still empty with 100% of the server playing nonstop. And for those saying GM is useless, Im pretty damn sure its gonna be used for Blizzcon qualifiers, because thats how they used the pro-ladder in WC3, and how they used the regular ladder in Korea for last Blizzcon --; He meant that they only block a GM spot (without being in GM) until they hit 180 bonus pool; as the GM league started 12.4. this is theoretically possible until 26.4. : if they had 0 bonus pool when GM came, but haven't played a game since to be checked for promotion. It can be hard to spot such accounts since they can be smurfs with low visible rating (due to having just a few games) but extra-high MMR. Though I'm not certain if it's actually fact or just a guess that the high MMR blockers lose their GM "reservation" at 180 bonus pool like the people already in drop out at that point. Would make sense though. | ||
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dc302
Australia576 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33723 Posts
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Benjef
United Kingdom6921 Posts
Also gonna be a bit unfair for some of the pros who get unlucky and don't place and Blizzard uses this stuff for Blizzcon ><. Edit - Did Artosis ever get in on NA? He was bitching hard on SOTG, he was like rank 80 points wise and wasn't getting into GM lol.... | ||
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
On April 18 2011 20:51 Liquid`Jinro wrote: You misunderstand me; there are two empty spots in the Korean GM league - I dont get why they are still empty with 100% of the server playing nonstop. Have 180 bonus points been awarded since the GM league was established? If so, then I'm confused too. I think it's been a bit shy of that though. Until 180 bonus points are handed out, nobody's going to lose their spot (if I understand things correctly.) | ||
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
On April 18 2011 21:02 Silu wrote: Though I'm not certain if it's actually fact or just a guess that the high MMR blockers lose their GM "reservation" at 180 bonus pool like the people already in drop out at that point. Would make sense though. I'm pretty sure that's info that came directly from Blizzard. | ||
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Xacalite
Germany533 Posts
hope he makes it soon. <3 | ||
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Mendelfist
Sweden356 Posts
On April 18 2011 22:01 Lysenko wrote: Have 180 bonus points been awarded since the GM league was established? If so, then I'm confused too. I think it's been a bit shy of that though. Until 180 bonus points are handed out, nobody's going to lose their spot (if I understand things correctly.) My understanding differs from yours. To be eligible for GM you must have less than 90 remaining bonus pool. To drop out you must have more than 180 remaining bonus pool. The difference is 90 points, ie exactly one week. This means that someone who barely got in GM with 90 bonus at the start would drop out one week later if he doesn't play at all. However, we don't know if the 180 point limit applies to reserved spots. If it does, you will lose it after a week. If it doesn't, you will lose it immediately when your remaining bonus goes over 90. The only reason I can see for the two empty spots is that those who have them reserved haven't won any games yet. Otherwise pieces of the puzzle are missing or my understanding is wrong. | ||
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Mendelfist
Sweden356 Posts
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bLah.
Croatia497 Posts
On April 18 2011 15:54 SDream wrote: GM offset is something around 430 (from master), but we don't have the exact number yet. That means that 0 points in GM is +/- 430 points in Masters. Erm, not sure how you intend to "merge" those leagues when transfering people from master into grandmaster is the same as with diamond -> master. People who get into grandmaster get some amount of points. If you take a look at sc2ranks you can see that some people had their points reduced from 1100 to 320, while some other people had their points increased from 60 to 220 etc. basically everyone got about 330 points depending on their bonus pool I guess. | ||
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