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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
April 15 2011 18:34 GMT
#561
Why the FUCK are there people in grand master league with 7-3, 16-8 etc stats?
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
April 15 2011 18:35 GMT
#562
On April 16 2011 03:34 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Why the FUCK are there people in grand master league with 7-3, 16-8 etc stats?

Because their MMR is good?
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
April 15 2011 18:36 GMT
#563
You cant have a good MMR after 10 games -_- Thats so fucking abusable for one, and variance is huge.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
gakkgakk
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Norway902 Posts
April 15 2011 18:37 GMT
#564
On April 16 2011 03:34 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Why the FUCK are there people in grand master league with 7-3, 16-8 etc stats?

Afaik people started with their mmr from S1, so if you had high mmr in S1 (top200 etc), then its easy to get into grand master. Most of the people in EU grandmaster was regulary on the top200 lists last season.
A timing is a build done by a player you like. An allin is a build done by one you dont. -sOda~
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
April 15 2011 18:39 GMT
#565
This system is so retarded, ive been on a plane all day but im stuck laddering bcuz if i dont i can never m9kmae maasters.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
NPF
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1635 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 18:42:00
April 15 2011 18:41 GMT
#566
On April 16 2011 03:36 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
You cant have a good MMR after 10 games -_- Thats so fucking abusable for one, and variance is huge.


Let's say you where #1 in the top 200 Season1, you play 2 games and your get into GM, then you don't play many more games. Why is that wrong?

There might be a discrepancy between MMR and acutal skill that would explain why some of the people known as pros are not in the top 200. Like Artosis, or you Jinro. There might not be ways to mesure how good you are with a simple algorithm.
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12238 Posts
April 15 2011 18:42 GMT
#567
On April 16 2011 03:36 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
You cant have a good MMR after 10 games -_- Thats so fucking abusable for one, and variance is huge.


Their MMRs carried over from Season 1 duder :V They had high MMRs to begin with.

We did have a theory that the top and bottom of the MMR span was lopped off, because people at the top of the ladder were losing way more points than they were gaining for each game. Maybe people who boycotted ladder until GM league came out were able to avoid that and preserve their inflated MMR. That's purely a guess on my part though. The more accurate answer is those guys with small records had high MMRs all along.
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Hasuu
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada178 Posts
April 15 2011 18:43 GMT
#568
On April 16 2011 03:34 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Why the FUCK are there people in grand master league with 7-3, 16-8 etc stats?


Yeah, Jinro. I was pretty pissed off as well. If the Season 1 ladder MMR is so damn important in the process then why was there a 2 week playing period if you basically didnt need to play?

There are are many top 200 players that missed GM this season. At least in NA.


Oh well =[

I just hope this doesnt end up like WC3 ladder where an entire pro season was screwed over.
yoshi_yoshi
Profile Joined January 2010
United States440 Posts
April 15 2011 18:44 GMT
#569
NA GM currently has 198 players, Europe has 199. After those spots are taken it will be at least 2 more weeks before anyone else gets in.
Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
April 15 2011 19:21 GMT
#570
Popularity and skill are 2 very different things.
...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
ehalf
Profile Joined September 2010
408 Posts
April 15 2011 19:26 GMT
#571
On April 16 2011 03:39 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
This system is so retarded, ive been on a plane all day but im stuck laddering bcuz if i dont i can never m9kmae maasters.


cant agree more. especially once you are in, u wont get off by losing games ... (technically, your bonus pool will not decrease if you dont lose, but ... does it make any sense that some ppl lose 500 games while win 0 in a week and still being grandmast??? )
J_D
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States102 Posts
April 15 2011 19:35 GMT
#572
On April 15 2011 21:38 Koshi wrote:
I hope somebody makes a decent thread about the GM league when it is completely full. Then we can use those threads to discuss the players in it and the matches they played.

I also hope that Blizzard awards the nr1 spot in the GM league with a cash prize. Something around 3K$, 2nd 1.5K$ and 3th 500$. Which is not bad for a 3 month salary, if you are also competing in other tournaments. It gives some extra prestige to the ladder and the league.


Doesn't seem like a terrible idea, except that cash prizes on ladder might make maphacks/other hacks more prevalent as people will often do all sorts of things for money.
naolin
Profile Joined March 2011
United States81 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 19:42:47
April 15 2011 19:38 GMT
#573
On April 15 2011 00:48 meep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 00:47 uberism wrote:
Nice to see two 17 year olds from Mexico at rank 1 and 2 of the ladder (Maker and sixjaxTerran).
Also congrats to the 17 year old xsixMkengyn who was top 5 yesterday. Lots of young players stepping it up on the ladder.


Spanishiwa as well ^^


didn't spanishiwa say in his day9 daily he was philipino
holy_war
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States3590 Posts
April 15 2011 19:41 GMT
#574
On April 16 2011 04:35 J_D wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 21:38 Koshi wrote:
I hope somebody makes a decent thread about the GM league when it is completely full. Then we can use those threads to discuss the players in it and the matches they played.

I also hope that Blizzard awards the nr1 spot in the GM league with a cash prize. Something around 3K$, 2nd 1.5K$ and 3th 500$. Which is not bad for a 3 month salary, if you are also competing in other tournaments. It gives some extra prestige to the ladder and the league.


Doesn't seem like a terrible idea, except that cash prizes on ladder might make maphacks/other hacks more prevalent as people will often do all sorts of things for money.


That's basically what the Blizzcon tournament is. Every year, they take the top X number of people from each region and invite them to play at Blizzcon. Winner usually gets $10,000 +. So that's plenty of incentive to maintain a high ladder rank.
Bizarro252
Profile Joined January 2011
180 Posts
April 15 2011 20:01 GMT
#575
On April 16 2011 03:34 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Why the FUCK are there people in grand master league with 7-3, 16-8 etc stats?


I guess all we can hope for is they will drop out due to lack of activity soon, if they really are not playing that much?
Alphasquad
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria505 Posts
April 15 2011 20:02 GMT
#576
On April 16 2011 03:35 Beyonder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2011 03:34 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Why the FUCK are there people in grand master league with 7-3, 16-8 etc stats?

Because their MMR is good?


i guess he is talking about players who got new accounts and not who played only a few games this season
ahx
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada132 Posts
April 15 2011 20:06 GMT
#577
On April 16 2011 04:38 naolin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 00:48 meep wrote:
On April 15 2011 00:47 uberism wrote:
Nice to see two 17 year olds from Mexico at rank 1 and 2 of the ladder (Maker and sixjaxTerran).
Also congrats to the 17 year old xsixMkengyn who was top 5 yesterday. Lots of young players stepping it up on the ladder.


Spanishiwa as well ^^


didn't spanishiwa say in his day9 daily he was philipino

Yes, he specifically said he's 80% Philippine which makes him of Asian decent, not Mexican. Like it matters, just confirming your post.
Pred8oar
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany281 Posts
April 15 2011 20:10 GMT
#578
there even are people wit h6-10 or so who were DIAMOND last season wtf is going on? oO
Antimage
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1293 Posts
April 15 2011 20:10 GMT
#579
On April 16 2011 04:35 J_D wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 21:38 Koshi wrote:
I hope somebody makes a decent thread about the GM league when it is completely full. Then we can use those threads to discuss the players in it and the matches they played.

I also hope that Blizzard awards the nr1 spot in the GM league with a cash prize. Something around 3K$, 2nd 1.5K$ and 3th 500$. Which is not bad for a 3 month salary, if you are also competing in other tournaments. It gives some extra prestige to the ladder and the league.


Doesn't seem like a terrible idea, except that cash prizes on ladder might make maphacks/other hacks more prevalent as people will often do all sorts of things for money.


Lol not every GM league player is gonna ladder extensively. I'm probably going to play a few games a week unless there's a time I want to play when no practice partners or teammates want to play - it's too stressful, and I'm only going to play enough to not get knocked out of it

And besides, ladder is useful for only some limited forms of practicing.
Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
April 15 2011 20:17 GMT
#580
On April 16 2011 05:10 Pred8oar wrote:
there even are people wit h6-10 or so who were DIAMOND last season wtf is going on? oO


thats what bugs me.. Im ok with someone whos like under 20 games this season as long as its a big name over 4K last season like Jinro.. but when people are like 6-10 and not even past 3K masters last season and get in... thats stupid as hell.
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