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Hm weird, do they still have the icon in-game I wonder? It's interesting that because those players don't actually appear in the GM division list, I can't see their bonus pools. Maybe it's just a web bug.
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in-game they just appear as if they don't belong anywhere. Cause they don't indeed. I thought they'd be automaticly put into a division, but no.
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On April 22 2011 05:58 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2011 11:39 nyc863 wrote:
RootCatz and ThisIsJimmy did not get in, both wanted to, at least one ladders a LOT, both ranked in the top 100 for a long time, RootCatz #25. Apparently neither will be allowed into the GM League for some considerable time, no matter how well they play.
These facts alone are enough to tell me that GM League by Blizzard is screwed up
http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/315652/ROOTCatZHe only has 733 points. Maybe Catz is a good player in tournaments but maybe he sucks on the ladder. People who laddered over 100 games needed around 870 points at the beginning of tuesday to get into GM. If you look at his chart on sc2ranks. He started slumping a week before GM was released. Falling from 953 on April 9th to 733 on April 21th. His MMR was just not top 200 at the time GM was released.
CatZ can be pretty good on ladder. He's gotten as high as 2 in NA, a few months ago, to the best of my knowledge. In the past, he's held top 25 spots for quite a while. He doesn't play completely tryhard 100% of the time on ladder though. Around the time of the GM launch, he was actually off-racing, and this virtually was the sole cause of his sharp plummet in the ladder ranks.
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CatZ is playing on his WeWin account
How are there 202 people in GM? I want in ;; i got the proest w/r / games played in masters :D
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On April 27 2011 15:08 sAfuRos wrote:
CatZ is playing on his WeWin account
How are there 202 people in GM? I want in ;; i got the proest w/r / games played in masters :D
sc2ranks doesn't have the right numbers because people kicked from GM still remain GM status on battle.net website and sc2ranks collect the data from there.
Right now, only 197 players are indeed in US GM league, actually it has been some good 4 or more days that US had 2 spots for GM and no one took it, pretty weird.
Root wewin account is right now top 1 master (US), but he is playing and not getting promoted, no one is... maybe catz is somewhat unstable so his mmr moving average just can't exactly reach the right number?
Go catz, we believe in you *-*
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On April 27 2011 15:08 sAfuRos wrote:
CatZ is playing on his WeWin account
How are there 202 people in GM? I want in ;; i got the proest w/r / games played in masters :D
Right now there are actually 203 people in the EU Grandmaster.
http://sc2ranks.com/ranks/eu/grandmaster/1/all/points/200
Just heard in the ESL-DemusliM-Stream that he was promoted today, and it seems ThorZain also got promoted with a 7-0, so im happy that his training for TSL and therefore not making GM-League at the start did not have any effect on this.
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Ill contribute to this thread if it can help your theory a bit.
I'm about high masters but not top200, Probably around rank 300-400 or so. I played an opponent xiLith who was not in GM, but there were about 15 spots remaining. After he beat me, he got promoted to GM. I'm rather surprised because my mmr/rank was rather low and his promotion match was off me, not off someone of higher caliber.
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On April 29 2011 08:39 isospeedrix wrote:
Ill contribute to this thread if it can help your theory a bit.
I'm about high masters but not top200, Probably around rank 300-400 or so. I played an opponent xiLith who was not in GM, but there were about 15 spots remaining. After he beat me, he got promoted to GM. I'm rather surprised because my mmr/rank was rather low and his promotion match was off me, not off someone of higher caliber.
xiLith? I'm almost 100% positive that he was GM when I looked a couple of weeks ago.
(this would mean that he dropped out due to inactivity then got promoted back in)
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On April 29 2011 10:33 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2011 08:39 isospeedrix wrote:
Ill contribute to this thread if it can help your theory a bit.
I'm about high masters but not top200, Probably around rank 300-400 or so. I played an opponent xiLith who was not in GM, but there were about 15 spots remaining. After he beat me, he got promoted to GM. I'm rather surprised because my mmr/rank was rather low and his promotion match was off me, not off someone of higher caliber. xiLith? I'm almost 100% positive that he was GM when I looked a couple of weeks ago. (this would mean that he dropped out due to inactivity then got promoted back in)
xiLith got in thursday on GM week. He played 150 games from tuesday to thursday and went about 100-50 to get in.
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If EU gm could get rid of maryland all would be well in the best of worlds. He's actually playing diamond players now in his match history v.v
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Im a diamond player and i recently played a masters terran with a 82% win ratio called, IMHope. I played terrible that game and lost, even though i probably wouldve still lost if i played my best. A couple days later i went into my match history and saw that the game i lost against him wasnt there, so i went on sc2ranks and searched the guy up and found that he was recently promoted to grandmasters.
Was my match against this player negated because of the skill gap or is it just a glitch that it isnt showing up in my match history?
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On May 05 2011 12:21 Cookie wrote:
Im a diamond player and i recently played a masters terran with a 82% win ratio called, IMHope. I played terrible that game and lost, even though i probably wouldve still lost if i played my best. A couple days later i went into my match history and saw that the game i lost against him wasnt there, so i went on sc2ranks and searched the guy up and found that he was recently promoted to grandmasters.
Was my match against this player negated because of the skill gap or is it just a glitch that it isnt showing up in my match history?
It's a glitch, If a GM fight a Gold and the GM wins, he'll win zero points, the Gold will lose zero points, but it will still be in the match history.
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Edit: Sorry, I can't read, I saw the first part was answered a few posts up.
Any idea why there are more than 200 people in GM: http://www.sc2ranks.com/ranks/us/grandmaster/1/all/points/200
Does it not demote people until they play a game after they go inactive? Or does it not demote them at all.
Speaking of demotion, are there any examples and did they lose a constant amount of points at demotion? Maybe there's a way to compare points from master to grandmaster?
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On May 06 2011 01:09 MoreFaSho wrote:Edit: Sorry, I can't read, I saw the first part was answered a few posts up. Any idea why there are more than 200 people in GM: http://www.sc2ranks.com/ranks/us/grandmaster/1/all/points/200Does it not demote people until they play a game after they go inactive? Or does it not demote them at all. Speaking of demotion, are there any examples and did they lose a constant amount of points at demotion? Maybe there's a way to compare points from master to grandmaster?
because sc2ranks is out of date, and isnt handling demotions from GM properly it seems.
From watching the GM list around the time of 180 bonus pool on some inactive players, they just instantly are knocked down out of the league it seems. As in not included in the official list by blizzard, but they're accounts still so show GM until they play a game i think...
for example. Inactive player.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/463882/1/SuperMenke/
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People are demoted at the second they reach 181, not 180 as some could think.
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I want to bring up another small issue with the Grandmaster league system that doesn't really affect NA/EU/KR, forgive me if it's already been brought up.
So when someone is promoted to the Grandmaster league they start off with 73 + bonus points. I was recently promoted to the GM league on the SEA server and ended up with 520 points. If you take a look at SC2Ranks, this actually ends up being rank #36 on the SEA server (see below). This is similar for the other less populated servers. Obviously this is stupid as I'm basically skipping the majority of the league just by being promoted.
Just wanted to point this out as another flaw of the league.
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On May 06 2011 03:39 youngminii wrote:I want to bring up another small issue with the Grandmaster league system that doesn't really affect NA/EU/KR, forgive me if it's already been brought up. So when someone is promoted to the Grandmaster league they start off with 73 + bonus points. I was recently promoted to the GM league on the SEA server and ended up with 520 points. If you take a look at SC2Ranks, this actually ends up being rank #36 on the SEA server (see below). This is similar for the other less populated servers. Obviously this is stupid as I'm basically skipping the majority of the league just by being promoted. Just wanted to point this out as another flaw of the league. + Show Spoiler +
Yeah, SDream was saying he thinks that the GM offset might already be different for LA, so maybe it's going to be re-evaluated for each server based on the MMR ranges per region. LA is (or was at 1.3 anyway) very much the same, where player points in GM were mostly trending downward because much of the top 200 didn't even meet the skill requirement for Master, so they were basically getting punished.
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