CatZ Discusses Home-Grown NA SC2 Scene - Page 17

On April 10 2011 23:19 haflo wrote:
how about canadian ? why ?

On April 11 2011 01:05 tofucake wrote:
His point is more that with online leagues the individual Koreans can just stay up late and play. If they win, they win. If they lose, they lose some sleep. Meanwhile, to compete in GSL, you have to move to Korea, with all that that entails. If you lose, you're pretty well screwed. If you win...congrats. You're not doing a whole lot for western eSports.

Tournaments don't need to be exclusive to the point of being racist, they just need to be exclusive to the point where you have to make some effort (ie: be at a location for qualifiers and matches) and risk.

On April 11 2011 01:04 davsp wrote:
Let's face it. Talent makes for exciting games. Exciting games make for more viewership. More viewership means more sponsors. More sponsors means more player funding. More player funding means more motivation for players.

On April 11 2011 01:10 Faze. wrote:


Go the fuck back to school.
Canada is part of North America. It's actually bigger than the US.

On April 11 2011 01:05 tofucake wrote:
His point is more that with online leagues the individual Koreans can just stay up late and play. If they win, they win. If they lose, they lose some sleep. Meanwhile, to compete in GSL, you have to move to Korea, with all that that entails. If you lose, you're pretty well screwed. If you win...congrats. You're not doing a whole lot for western eSports.

Tournaments don't need to be exclusive to the point of being racist, they just need to be exclusive to the point where you have to make some effort (ie: be at a location for qualifiers and matches) and risk.

On April 11 2011 01:15 Faze. wrote:


Those are all reasons for NA to have its own league, I hope that was your point cuz that's what your post means.

On April 11 2011 01:05 tofucake wrote:
His point is more that with online leagues the individual Koreans can just stay up late and play. If they win, they win. If they lose, they lose some sleep. Meanwhile, to compete in GSL, you have to move to Korea, with all that that entails. If you lose, you're pretty well screwed. If you win...congrats. You're not doing a whole lot for western eSports.

Tournaments don't need to be exclusive to the point of being racist, they just need to be exclusive to the point where you have to make some effort (ie: be at a location for qualifiers and matches) and risk.

On April 11 2011 01:10 Faze. wrote:


Go the fuck back to school.
Canada is part of North America. It's actually bigger than the US.

On April 11 2011 01:03 Faze. wrote:


Now let's ask ourselves WHY that is?
It's not because they're better. They are not. Being korean has no advantage.
Also this isn't SC1, it's over, seriously people need to get over it, the whole racial thing people keep thinking about, everytime they hear Starcraft there's a korean face in their head.
Korean players attract more because they get more attention, and that's because of their background in SC1, not their actual performance in SC2.

On April 11 2011 01:04 davsp wrote:
Let's face it. Talent makes for exciting games. Exciting games make for more viewership. More viewership means more sponsors. More sponsors means more player funding. More player funding means more motivation for players.

On April 11 2011 01:03 Faze. wrote:


Now let's ask ourselves WHY that is?
It's not because they're better. They are not. Being korean has no advantage.
Also this isn't SC1, it's over, seriously people need to get over it, the whole racial thing people keep thinking about, everytime they hear Starcraft there's a korean face in their head.
Korean players attract more because they get more attention, and that's because of their background in SC1, not their actual performance in SC2. If everyone in the world can get the same amount of social/financial support to be able to practice that much, I guarantee you koreans will end up just blending in a mass of people from everywhere. There's nothing genetic that makes koreans better, they just decided to go hardcore on it before everybody else, and when we look at it, esports are YOUNG. Things will change greatly in the future, and right now we have a good opportunity to make it grow in the west, to catch up with koreans in terms of what place esports take in our society, not talking about skills cuz that's already done.

Followed by this:
NA population
South Korean population

So yeah, I would actually be shitting bricks while typing this if a place with 10 times less people managed to have more well paid progamers.

Something else people seem to completely forget to consider here (I didn't read EVERY POSTS, but the discussion is still going so obviously no one pointed that out) is the fact that the problem isn't ONLY because of koreans participating in foreign tournaments. It's because our tournaments never require them to commit the same way foreigner have to commit if they wanna participate in the GSL. There's no foreign league that goes on so many times a year that it makes it practically impossible to participate without LIVING in the area. That's why CatZ said the world championship is a cool and good thing, it gives foreigner a good opportunity, but they can come back home once it's done. Which is exactly what the koreans do when they go to foreign tournaments. An important point of what CatZ was saying I believe is the fact that right now we don't have a league important enough in NA to call it OUR league. No matter what the name is, NASL is not exactly North American, and GSL is not exactly GLOBAL (there's not really anyone from around the world participating, it's more like foreigners moving to korean.... and then they participate.)

I see this very much like Martial Arts, people who do/did martial arts for a while would know what I'm talking about. Little martial art schools in a town or state/province would sometimes have little competitions or tournaments. And once in a while there's a bigger tournament where people from all around the country would gather at one place and make it a big event.
Esports should be exactly that, each place have their own league to make it easier to grow, and easier for players in general to compete in a league. Then once in a while have a big world championship, all the pros meet up for a big badass tournament, televised around the world. Like the olympics... that sounds almost exagerated, but I'm pretty sure some sports in the olympics actually have less people than SC2 does. I can see it happening. But not until people get their head out of their ass.

On April 11 2011 01:24 Sethronu wrote:


It's not true, though. More casual viewers - which is really the viewerbase the sponsors want to tap into, and the viewerbase SC2 needs to really get big - are just as much if not more interested in pre/postgame shows, interviews, and other content as they are interested in games themselves. I'm not saying games aren't important, obviously they are, but there's more to making a good show out of Starcraft than having best players dish it out.

On April 11 2011 01:31 infinity2k9 wrote:


Haha what are you basing this on? You say something isn't the truth then give a total opinion as 'proof' of your argument. most SC players are not interesting in interviews and i'm pretty sure if you had interview and game vods seperate you could see an obvious difference. Please tell me where the SC fans are who care more about the other shit than the games? Are they even really SC fans if so?

There really is nothing except good players playing good games and maybe commentary (not even thats needed we all cope with Korean when needed and its just as exciting). We watch it for the game. I dunno what the fuck you're watching it for. Some 'drama' between 2 nerds cause one guy once left a game without a gg or something?

On April 11 2011 01:05 tofucake wrote:
His point is more that with online leagues the individual Koreans can just stay up late and play. If they win, they win. If they lose, they lose some sleep. Meanwhile, to compete in GSL, you have to move to Korea, with all that that entails. If you lose, you're pretty well screwed. If you win...congrats. You're not doing a whole lot for western eSports.

Tournaments don't need to be exclusive to the point of being racist, they just need to be exclusive to the point where you have to make some effort (ie: be at a location for qualifiers and matches) and risk.

On April 11 2011 01:23 ct2299 wrote:


Huh. Have you not been watching offline tournaments (GSL, GSL World Championship (the actual tournament), and IEM?) The Koreans dominated. They HAVE performed better in SC2. I think you need to get your head out of your ass.