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Performance Enhancing Drug in Starcraft 2? Yes. - Page 12
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ghostsquall
United States187 Posts
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hmsrenown
Canada1263 Posts
On April 06 2011 19:23 BeMannerDuPenner wrote: line is crossed when its not needed drugs. pretty simple. its not a question if you could improve your play by taking the right stuff. from all the way overused performance drugs they give out like candy these days over simple speed to cocaine. but that should in no way be promoted or even allowed. if you question this then you have no clue sorry. thats like questioning if beer makes you piss more. you dont need research to proof it when evryone who has any expirience with it can tell you its true ~. As a biochemistry major I call bullshit on the bottom part. I can't stand people saying conclusive research is not needed and pure experience from select group is a good representation of the actual effects a certain substance has in general. The metabolic pathways are studied, yes, but how much does this affect actual performance is still not conclusive. There are good indications but more research needs to be done. | ||
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
On April 07 2011 00:36 underdawg wrote: well yeah but if goody took adderall, maybe he would practice and focus enough to stop getting supply blocked every 2 minutes and queuing up 5 SCVs at a time every 3 minutes, and he would be that much better. but it's just impossible to police, so what's the point really? people who think it can be policed simply have a very wrong view of how easy it is to get a rx. honestly though, i suppose i wonder. i hear that with addy, sometimes you can only focus on one thing really at a time, wonder how that works with multitasking. i've studied with people who have taken it, and all the time i am like, "i really don't think that point is important. i really don't think that will be on the exam, LET IT GO MAN." lol the SC2 equivalent would be "YO stop trying to save every marine left from your drop, THERES BANSHEES IN YOUR BASE!!!" or "don't worry about queuing, THERE ARE BANELINGS ROLLING TOWARDS YOU!" heh Ok I can understand that, thanks for clarifying your point of view. | ||
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MichaelJLowell
United States610 Posts
On April 07 2011 00:27 AlBundy wrote: So how come these players are at pro level, even though they make this kind of mistakes ??? I'll tell you: it's because mechanics play a lesser role overall and are much more forgiving. Strategy and tactics are the key to victory. That's why you can definitely play at pro level with 150 apm and unsound mechanics. I won't name any players but just take a look at some of the TSL3 players... edit; also I agree about the marathon training sessions Or maybe the player base isn't half as good at Starcraft II as they want to believe they are? | ||
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Solstafir
England32 Posts
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
On April 07 2011 01:22 MichaelJLowell wrote: Or maybe the player base isn't half as good at Starcraft II as they want to believe they are? I feel you on this point. People talk about the "volatile" aspect of Sc2, I'd say that the players' skill is certainly a major factor. Unfortunately this might be a bit off-topic, but overall you are right; current "top" players are definitely nowhere near the skill ceiling. | ||
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SCampbell
Canada5 Posts
The greatest problems lie in differentiating between those who take stimulants for day-to-day functioning, and those who consume them for performance enhancement at competitive gaming. Additionally, there is considerable ambiguity in what personality characteristics indeed necessitate or qualify one for consumption of stimulants. Not to be mistaken, this ambiguity exists and is dealt with on a rather arbitrary basis by the doctors prescribing drugs such as a Methylphenidate. This is a difficult question which could rightly be answered either way. | ||
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stokes17
United States1411 Posts
On April 06 2011 10:20 Audio wrote: Another problem is adderall is a very easy prescription to obtain. even if this were enforced it would still be abused IMHO. It does not matter if a substance is legal for it to be banned from a league Football (NFL) bans tons of chemicals found in common health supplements So even if you had an Adderall script, it could still be banned from the GSL | ||
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chonkyfire
United States451 Posts
If you really have ADHD there's no way in hell you're a SC2 progamer w/o amphetamine that's for sure. | ||
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iSTime
1579 Posts
On April 06 2011 22:47 above wrote: Why don't you go look up any study done on an amp-based molceule. Comparine Caffeine to Adderall is like comparing Acetaminophen to Hydromorphone. Apples and oranges. Better concentration at the cost of bad decision making. Sounds beneficial. And ya, I get paid for working at my pharmacological lab with my sophomore psychology class education. QQ. If it's so easy to find a study which supports the fact that the effects of drugs is not beneficial to cognitive functions related to SC2, link one. Since you apparently are well educated in this field and know of at least a few studies that back your claims that "Emotional and cognitive effects are not related to your skill sets of playing games." etc., it shouldn't be very difficult. | ||
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
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Bonham
Canada655 Posts
But do we really want players drug tested? That's expensive and time consuming and smacks of silliness in this context, in my view. Also, what about other stimulants like caffeine? Should that be outlawed? Questions like these are less clear to me, but banning this particular drug seems like a no-brainer to me. | ||
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chonkyfire
United States451 Posts
Have you ever taken speed before? My guess is no. If I was a SC2 progamer, I sure he hell would be taking amphetamine in every tournament I played it. If your job is to win, why not take 20 mg of adderall? It will help you immensely. | ||
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zyzski
United States698 Posts
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underdawg
United States399 Posts
On April 07 2011 01:22 MichaelJLowell wrote: Or maybe the player base isn't half as good at Starcraft II as they want to believe they are? hardly any pros will get supply blocked for no reason. most pros only get supply blocked for more than a second or two when there is other stuff going on on the map. and sometimes godly micro is indeed more important than a slight supply block. | ||
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Yukizilla
2 Posts
In South Korea (and other Asian countries, Japan in particular) ADD and ADHD are NOT recognized as legitimate conditions; failure to focus on tasks and other symptoms commonly associated with these two conditions are just seen as parenting failure. As such, as other users have noted, Adderall is illegal to possess or import in these countries, prescription or not, particularly because they're not going to honor a prescription for what they think is a made-up illness. IMO, whether or not the drugs help significantly with SC2 performance or not is inconsequential in the face of the general illegality of the substance in South Korea. | ||
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Ohdamn
Germany765 Posts
but i don't rly think it's too big of a problem yet. i just can't imagine it having such a huge impact on your skill | ||
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DracuL
27 Posts
If you decide to ban "psychostimulants" you'll also have to target caffeine, a drug which Americans and I'm sure many other countries tend to consume in vast quantity. Caffeine also metabolizes relatively fast in the body so a drug test would also have to be done soon after consumption. The NCAA bans caffeine and other psycho-stimulatory drugs, however, currently I doubt there's enough money in Starcraft 2 for progamers to live comfortably let alone money in the industry to police the abuse of these drugs. | ||
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flodeskum
Iceland1267 Posts
On April 07 2011 01:39 Yukizilla wrote: To add on to some of the things other people have said, regarding the GSL and Adderall usage- In South Korea (and other Asian countries, Japan in particular) ADD and ADHD are NOT recognized as legitimate conditions; failure to focus on tasks and other symptoms commonly associated with these two conditions are just seen as parenting failure. As such, as other users have noted, Adderall is illegal to possess or import in these countries, prescription or not, particularly because they're not going to honor a prescription for what they think is a made-up illness. IMO, whether or not the drugs help significantly with SC2 performance or not is inconsequential in the face of the general illegality of the substance in South Korea. The part in bold is incorrect. Korea and indeed every fucking half-developed country in the world recognizes the DSM-IV. They do have different treatment methods but they sure as hell don't think it is a 'made-up illness'. | ||
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Bubbadub
United States156 Posts
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