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I know i'm way way way down this thread, but considering my sister is in the psychology field i can attest to a few things.
1) If you really want a RX for adderall or the likes, you can get it fairly easily, most psychiatrists won't turn down your request, whether you need it for ADD, ADHD, or not.
2) Even without an RX these drugs are incredibly easy to obtain, so many people have the RX's and are more then willing to sell/give away a pill or two here and there...as many people who have the RX's don't use the drugs on a daily basis and have extra.
3) It is medical fact that these drugs drastically increase your ability to focus, especially under stressful or distracting situations. This is why you see so many college kids dosing before midterms and finals...or while they study.
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no. even though they are risking potential side effects, I do not condone such act as it gives them unfair advantage.
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Of course it should be allowed. You can't hold esports to a sporting standard when shit like MLG Dallas goes down. What are they going to do, Drug test?? LOL. I mean seriously, or just use the "honor code", or pat down gamers like its an airport security? How could you possibly enforce this without making it a bigger joke then it already is to an outside viewer?
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What a crap topic...
Who cares? I wouldn't care if MC was coming into a booth with coke up his nose...
I watch SC2 for the matches...and if I happen to play someone on something which supposedly enhances their play...fair play to them...that's dedication.
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there is a difference between ADHD and ADD. I have the latter. I'm not hyperactive, I actually just can't focus and lose interest and/or fall asleep during everything. Even though I get plenty of sleep every night. I'm 25 and have a full time desk job now with meetings etc, and I need ritalin just to stay awake. I've been this was since I was in kindergarten, and my doctors throughout the years have always told me this.
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This has been a problem for 10 years in esports, Do you think a poll on a forum is going to magically clear it up? people will continue to dope as long as there is money on the line, look at athletes, they are all dopers, or taking some sort of HGH to stay on par, please dont delude yourself into thinking that your favourite player is exempt.
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Caffeine makes you more alert...
Ban energy drinks and coffee because it gives you an unfair advantage?
You guys are overreacting. They're not steroids.
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Aren't many of these pros having nerve issues? Stimulants will make things only worse, lol. I'd say some might benefit more from Xanax than Amphetamins. XD
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I've been trying to find a source as to whether using adderall is illegal in the Netherlands. It seems you can't attain it outside of being diagnosed with ADD, so possession of it might be a bit of a grey area. I wonder, if it actually was illegal (might be!), would it be fair to have, say, Ret being unable to use the medication as he's Dutch, but USA players could do so, since the laws might differ there.
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No performance enhancement drug should be allowed. That would be like smoking pot before participating in hot dog eating contest.
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On April 07 2011 02:52 Affluenza wrote:
What a crap topic...
Who cares? I wouldn't care if MC was coming into a booth with coke up his nose...
I watch SC2 for the matches...and if I happen to play someone on something which supposedly enhances their play...fair play to them...that's dedication.
So if I apply your logic to sports (ie. Track and Field), if you compete against a track athlete who takes performance enhancing drugs, fair play to them because that is dedication? o.O
If it really becomes a serious issue, I believe there has to be something done about it to ensure level playing field among all competitors.
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voted yes, because if everyone does it the playing field is level.
it's like steroids in baseball. they're banned, but there are always going to be people who do them. as long as they're banned, the few people who do them will get an advantage over those who obey the rules and don't. If they're legal, everyone takes them and no one has an unfair advantage.
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On April 07 2011 03:43 Grumbels wrote:
I've been trying to find a source as to whether using adderall is illegal in the Netherlands. It seems you can't attain it outside of being diagnosed with ADD, so possession of it might be a bit of a grey area. I wonder, if it actually was illegal (might be!), would it be fair to have, say, Ret being unable to use the medication as he's Dutch, but USA players could do so, since the laws might differ there.
According to this site possession of adderall is illegal in both the United States and the European Union without a prescription, so top players who use it would be breaking the law if they didn't take the trouble getting a prescription. Furthermore, the ease of getting a prescription apparently differs between the EU and the USA, giving NA players somewhat of a competitive advantage over EU players - all assuming adderall improves performance.
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lol @ topic, fucking drugies...
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I see a lot of people saying speed doesn't make you better.
What you have to understand is there is a difference between
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A gosu on speed and a noob on speed.
Also this whole hyperactive misclick/error theory is ridiculous. They give amphetamine to fighter pilots. Are they going to give someone who is flying a 150 million dollar plane something that will cause them to make errors? No.
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On April 07 2011 02:46 flodeskum wrote:
I'd love for you to give me a source on the parts in bold.
It's well known that ADHD was (and probably still is) overdiagnosed in the US. Made possible by their unique health care system and their powerful drug industry. This doesn't affect the validity of the disorder in the slightest.
I'm just going to casually point out that you have yet to cite anything in any of your posts and claiming to have a PhD in the subject on the Internet doesn't get you real far. Hell I think I'll go ask Dr Tran, he's a real doctor you know.
Anyways, as we seem to be throwing majors around here, I'm a Software Engineer which I guess makes me more qualified to post on the internet that the lot of you... or you know something like that...
On topic,
Also this whole hyperactive misclick/error theory is ridiculous. They give amphetamine to fighter pilots. Are they going to give someone who is flying a 150 million dollar plane something that will cause them to make errors? No.
That's a point that I've had in the back of my head since reading page 4ish of this thread, amphetamines are used in pretty dangerous situations to improve performance and I'm relatively certain that the US military has their shit together on this matter.
As for me, I've never taken anything like this in my life but I don't really care if pro sc2 players decided to, I'd be more concerned with the banning of this drug from tournaments having exceptions. Ban it or allow it, no middle ground here. As even in validly diagnosed medical cases all the drug does is help you concentrate I don't see how anyone can claim that they "need" this drug. I'm sure it helps with your day to day activities but its not like your hearts going to explode if you don't take it.
Furthermore I don't really understand the view that because someone was medically diagnosed with any given disorder that they *deserve* to take their medication to bring them up to speed. We don't give bikes to people who want to run an Olympic marathon because some guy with an MD said that they have a respirator problem and that ridding a bike would help them with these types of activity... That would be absurd. While no one really likes to hear it, some people are genetically inferior to others in certain aspects. If you have ADHD and it's deemed that amphetamines are unacceptable in pro gaming then I guess you're not going to get very far in sc professionally. No one expects the paraplegic to win the 100m dash.
In short, as a relatively left wing guy I don't really care about drug use, if everyone has the opportunity then there is no unfair advantage; however I see no good reason for non survival critical medication to be permitted at professional competitions where it would be otherwise banned just because you have a doctors note.
Edit: This is a little off topic at this point but the affects of Adderall on creativity ect were brought up earlier, from this article it seems thats inconclusive but the abstract suggests that it might have a "leveling" effect.
+ Show Spoiler +When we enhance cognition with Adderall, do we sacrifice creativity? A preliminary study.
Farah MJ, Haimm C, Sankoorikal G, Smith ME, Chatterjee A.
Center for Cognitive Neuroscience, University of Pennsylvania, 3720 Walnut Street, Philadelphia, PA 19104, USA. mfarah@psych.upenn.edu
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* Psychopharmacology (Berl). 2009 Apr;203(3):651. Smith, M Elizabeth [added].
Abstract
RATIONALE: Adderall (mixed amphetamine salts) is used by healthy normal individuals to enhance attention. Research with healthy normal participants and those with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder indicate a possible inverse relationship between attentional function and creativity. This raises the possibility that Adderall could decrease creativity in people using it for cognitive enhancement.
OBJECTIVE: This study was designed to find out whether Adderall impairs creativity in healthy young adults.
MATERIAL AND METHODS: In a double-blind placebo-controlled study, the effects of Adderall on the performance of 16 healthy young adults were measured on four tests of creativity from the psychological literature: two tasks requiring divergent thought and two requiring convergent thought.
RESULTS: Adderall affected performance on the convergent tasks only, in one case enhancing it, particularly for lower-performing individuals, and in the other case enhancing it for the lower-performing and impairing it for higher-performing individuals.
CONCLUSION: The preliminary evidence is inconsistent with the hypothesis that Adderall has an overall negative effect on creativity. Its effects on divergent creative thought cannot be inferred with confidence from this study because of the ambiguity of null results. Its effects on convergent creative thought appear to be dependent on the baseline creativity of the individual. Those in the higher range of the normal distribution may be unaffected or impaired, whereas those in the lower range of the normal distribution experience enhancement.
I'd link but its behind a subscription login so...
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I've played SC2 on adderall - it doesn't help.
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I still think it's funny that this thread has generated 14 pages with very few people mentioning the fact that it's illegal to obtain Adderall without a prescription. The poll in the OP asks us whether something that is illegal should be allowed.
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On April 07 2011 05:12 Doodsmack wrote:
I still think it's funny that this thread has generated 14 pages with very few people mentioning the fact that it's illegal to obtain Adderall without a prescription. The poll in the OP asks us whether something that is illegal should be allowed.
Speeding is illegal too dude - chill.
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jeremy morlock and the other rednecks in the us army also did consume illegal substances. also ot...
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