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underdawg
United States399 Posts
@ guy who talked about boxer's gf, koreans can't read english so it doesn't matter HERP DERP. also they don't have feelings. although if she's reading this, note how most of the bad posts are by people with "VOTE FOR ME FOR NASL" as their sigs! i'm starting to get more and more frustrated with how NASL set up this silly video application thing in the first place. oh that and trying to get every major team to play but not talking to the koreans | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On March 17 2011 15:15 underdawg wrote: @ avilo isn't the point of big prize pools to attract the best players? aren't a lot of NA/EU players attracted by that prize pool? @ guy who talked about boxer's gf, koreans can't read english so it doesn't matter HERP DERP. also they don't have feelings. although if she's reading this, note how most of the bad posts are by people with "VOTE FOR ME FOR NASL" as their sigs! i'm starting to get more and more frustrated with how NASL set up this silly video application thing in the first place. oh that and trying to get every major team to play but not talking to the koreans most of the pro gamers can't read english, but boxer's g/f and some of the korean interpreters CAN read english, and WILL come to TL to read about the NASL, and if they see threads like this, you better believe it's gonna be seen as disrespect. I hope they read through enough of it to see that they have outstanding support, and that the negative voices are few and far between. | ||
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Fighter
Korea (South)1531 Posts
On March 17 2011 14:44 cheesemaster wrote: I agree its quite appaling when people say that they dont think koreans should be allowed to compete, its disgraceful actually since they are fine with europeans being allowed to compete. Thats just racist IMO Although i would say the vocal majority in this thread is in favour of allowing Koreans to compete in the NASL. I say let them all play :D Come on.. at least be charitable with the people you're debating with. I don't think most of the people who want to limit Korean participation in the NASL hold their beliefs for xenophobic or racist reasons, they're just concerned about growing a real NA scene and not getting a GSL Lite. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
they're just concerned about growing a real NA scene and not getting a GSL Lite. Except a large amount of the detractors are B level players who have applied for the league, which makes me think what they really want is to clear the way for their own invitations by hiding under the justification of "good for the NA scene." | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On March 17 2011 14:54 avilo wrote: How can you say his opinion is idiotic? He tactfully said what a hell of a lot of people are thinking. It's a very realistic opinion. Players can put out all the hunky dory nice interviews they want about how they suddenly love western e-sports and wanna be awesome...but when ever before this $100,000 figure did they really take interest in NA tournaments? Virtually never. KESPA wouldn't allow it. Star2 you don't need license to play. I think from some of your posts you feel like you will be left out because of the invite system and I can understand how that can be frustrating. Maybe you feel that the less Koreans improve your chances to get into season 1. | ||
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Dox
Australia1199 Posts
On March 17 2011 15:15 underdawg wrote: @ guy who talked about boxer's gf, koreans can't read english so it doesn't matter HERP DERP. On March 17 2011, 12:08 SlayerS_BoxeR wrote: My girlfriend is reading TeamLiquid.net a lot ^^. I don’t get many chances to come across news because I’m spending so much time practicing, but she keeps me up to date with information and resources. Herp derp. | ||
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underdawg
United States399 Posts
i thought herp derp was sarcasm mode on this site :/ i didn't mean it boxer! | ||
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longdivision
United States170 Posts
But what does a player need a sponsor for? If someone can do well in NASL by practicing 3 hours a day while going to school or working a job, then good for them, but they aren't in any dire need of a sponsor. Likewise, the sponsor doesn't want a player who can drop the game and continue on with their school/work, as if Starcraft was their plan B. On the other hand, if players need to practice 10 hours a days, 7 days a week to stay competitive, then they'll need a sponsor, and the sponsor will be happy to support a professional who is 100% dedicated to the game. How is the NASL going to raise the level of play to professional caliber? Are there 50 NA and EU players who are up to the challenge? 40? 25? 10? 5? The GSL is already there and their players are an excellent resource for the NASL. IMO the more pros filling the ranks of NASL, the better off western esports will be. If the west stays amateur, then we can't expect SC2 not to end up like BW. The NASL is an amazing opportunity for both players and sponsors to start a new pro scene but players need to step it up and become actual professionals. | ||
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Baerinho
Germany257 Posts
And i still think the argument is sitll out there how much better the koreans really are, we see them dominating at IEM, but Jinro rolls face and still gets beaten by the likes of Tyler, Select etc in showmatches and clanwars. I wanna see teh best players compete for the biggest prizepools, and not watered down competition cause people are afraid they get dominated. | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On March 17 2011 15:22 Baarn wrote: KESPA wouldn't allow it. Star2 you don't need license to play. I think from some of your posts you feel like you will be left out because of the invite system and I can understand how that can be frustrating. Maybe you feel that the less Koreans improve your chances to get into season 1. Of course I feel like that, as do lots of others. An invite system is ridiculous. Basically, me and everyone else has to pray they will get in. And no, you missed the point entirely that I was making about koreans in this tournament. As well as a bunch of others with little to no reading comprehension. Koreans should be allowed in, but I think it's ludicrous how some people would be perfectly fine with 50/50 players being korean players lol... On March 17 2011 15:18 Fighter wrote: Come on.. at least be charitable with the people you're debating with. I don't think most of the people who want to limit Korean participation in the NASL hold their beliefs for xenophobic or racist reasons, they're just concerned about growing a real NA scene and not getting a GSL Lite. Exactly. Also, even tho korean players in general are better practiced with SC2, that doesn't mean foreigners can't compete with them. On March 17 2011 15:20 nvs. wrote: Except a large amount of the detractors are B level players who have applied for the league, which makes me think what they really want is to clear the way for their own invitations by hiding under the justification of "good for the NA scene." Actually, I think a lot of people would rather the tournament not have been auto-invite/elitist in the first place. And how hard is it for people to understand that NA needs to catch up to korea? Do other countries that need to catch up to the USA in basketball just try and bring every U.S. player to their country and just watch the Americans play all day? No. They start their own leagues. Some of the better foreign players do go join the NBA though, just like what happens with foreigners going to korea for SC. How would it be attractive to sponsors as well in North America, land of football and mcdonalds, if the league has the 50 best koreans in it and barely any north americans? Can you imagine any big U.S. corporations wanting to sponsor that league when they already have their own bias's and pre-conceived notions about video games in the first place? NA = North America. That doesn't mean koreans should be excluded, they should be welcomed. But it shouldn't be the opposite extreme that some people seem to think would be good, where it's just all koreans owning up NASL. | ||
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pezit
Sweden302 Posts
I've seen some people in this thread saying that the finals in NASL will coincide with the GSL schedule, is there any truth to this? Cause i heard earlier that it wouldn't. | ||
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Suerte
United States117 Posts
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
50 best koreans in it and barely any north americans? I haven't seen many posts saying 50 koreans should be in, throughout the thread I've seen suggestions in the range of 5 to 15. You must be seeing a different thread than me... | ||
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godemperor
Belgium2043 Posts
On March 17 2011 14:54 avilo wrote: How can you say his opinion is idiotic? He tactfully said what a hell of a lot of people are thinking. It's a very realistic opinion. Players can put out all the hunky dory nice interviews they want about how they suddenly love western e-sports and wanna be awesome...but when ever before this $100,000 figure did they really take interest in NA tournaments? Virtually never. FXOpen 2, Kaspersky invitational just to name a few. In the interview with ZephyrPrime, all the prime member were really bummed out because they could not attend FXOpen 2 because they mixed up AM and PM. | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On March 17 2011 15:48 avilo wrote: Of course I feel like that, as do lots of others. An invite system is ridiculous. Basically, me and everyone else has to pray they will get in. And no, you missed the point entirely that I was making about koreans in this tournament. As well as a bunch of others with little to no reading comprehension. Koreans should be allowed in, but I think it's ludicrous how some people would be perfectly fine with 50/50 players being korean players lol... Exactly. Also, even tho korean players in general are better practiced with SC2, that doesn't mean foreigners can't compete with them. Actually, I think a lot of people would rather the tournament not have been auto-invite/elitist in the first place. And how hard is it for people to understand that NA needs to catch up to korea? Do other countries that need to catch up to the USA in basketball just try and bring every U.S. player to their country and just watch the Americans play all day? No. They start their own leagues. Some of the better foreign players do go join the NBA though, just like what happens with foreigners going to korea for SC. How would it be attractive to sponsors as well in North America, land of football and mcdonalds, if the league has the 50 best koreans in it and barely any north americans? Can you imagine any big U.S. corporations wanting to sponsor that league when they already have their own bias's and pre-conceived notions about video games in the first place? NA = North America. That doesn't mean koreans should be excluded, they should be welcomed. But it shouldn't be the opposite extreme that some people seem to think would be good, where it's just all koreans owning up NASL. Ok I'll rephrase my last question since it wasn't very nice. How many Koreans, in your opinion, do you think should participate in the NASL? | ||
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Dox
Australia1199 Posts
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pezit
Sweden302 Posts
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On March 17 2011 16:03 Dox wrote: avilo - Do you think China should be banned from the next Olympic games? Can't help but notice they outperformed everyone in 2008. The rest of the world needs to catch up. Read and comprehend. No one ever said anyone should be banned from this. I certainly did not. And your analogy isn't even a good one. This isn't the olympics, this is a North American event. If you want to make an analogy like that it'd be like China starting a Chinese Table Tennis League, and then random chinese internet warrior people complaining that they don't let other countries play in their home chinese league...it'd be a chinese league...*facepalms* Anyways none of it matters, they decide who gets in. Qualifiers would have obviously been the most non-biased, best, and most logical option if you want the best players playing. Not to mention it would give everyone a chance to play by 100% earning their spot. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
On March 17 2011 16:10 avilo wrote: Read and comprehend. No one ever said anyone should be banned from this. I certainly did not. Anyways none of it matters, they decide who gets in. Qualifiers would have obviously been the most non-biased, best, and most logical option if you want the best players playing. Not to mention it would give everyone a chance to play by 100% earning their spot. But then NASL would not get a chance to play Starcraft Idol.  | ||
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