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esaul17
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada547 Posts
March 19 2011 23:09 GMT
#2101
If results count first, like we have been told, oGsMC pretty must has to be in or it is a crime. 2 time GSL winner is quite possibly the best result of any player in SC2 yet. Plus he has drama galore, he is integrated with the foreign community with his team housing with the liquid guys, he speaks English, gave constant shout outs to foreign fans.

oGsMC HWAITING!
Ome
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada157 Posts
March 19 2011 23:31 GMT
#2102
As a previous poster said, just inviting all the GSL champions would be a good start. Also extend an invite to IM for winning GSTL, allowing them to pick a player on their team to compete. Invite the winners from IEM, Dreamhack, MLG, plus the open tournament they are planning. And then do applications for the rest of the spots, worldwide.
Snaphoo
Profile Joined July 2010
United States614 Posts
March 20 2011 01:38 GMT
#2103
@Ome: Kind of off-topic, but your post just made me think that a global Team League would be pretty amazing. Perhaps one day...?
zergskin
Profile Joined February 2011
74 Posts
March 20 2011 01:44 GMT
#2104
seeing a korean facing a foreigner is awesome. i love seeing these matches and i would def be more interested if a lot of koreans were in the nasl.
flodeskum
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1267 Posts
March 20 2011 01:47 GMT
#2105
On March 20 2011 05:33 MooMooMugi wrote:
If Koreans arent allowed in the NASL, why should foreigners be allowed in the GSL?

I sincerely hope you are capable of realizing the difference between an online and an offline tournament.

Besides, nobody has said koreans wouldn't be allowed in the NASL, only that their participation could be limited.

If you saw the TSL games today you'd understand why that is. Boxer's 2nd and 3rd game showed that the latency issue is clearly terrible.
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Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
March 20 2011 01:54 GMT
#2106
On March 20 2011 10:47 flodeskum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2011 05:33 MooMooMugi wrote:
If Koreans arent allowed in the NASL, why should foreigners be allowed in the GSL?

I sincerely hope you are capable of realizing the difference between an online and an offline tournament.

Besides, nobody has said koreans wouldn't be allowed in the NASL, only that their participation could be limited.

If you saw the TSL games today you'd understand why that is. Boxer's 2nd and 3rd game showed that the latency issue is clearly terrible.


Or you could say that fruit dealer losing shows that it's not guaranteed koreans will win all the money and you should let them in.
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flodeskum
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1267 Posts
March 20 2011 02:54 GMT
#2107
On March 20 2011 10:54 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2011 10:47 flodeskum wrote:
On March 20 2011 05:33 MooMooMugi wrote:
If Koreans arent allowed in the NASL, why should foreigners be allowed in the GSL?

I sincerely hope you are capable of realizing the difference between an online and an offline tournament.

Besides, nobody has said koreans wouldn't be allowed in the NASL, only that their participation could be limited.

If you saw the TSL games today you'd understand why that is. Boxer's 2nd and 3rd game showed that the latency issue is clearly terrible.


Or you could say that fruit dealer losing shows that it's not guaranteed koreans will win all the money and you should let them in.

Yeah, I guess you could say that. But why does that matter?

If the latency problems are going to affect their quality of play so drastically why would that ever be be a good thing?
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Kazzabiss
Profile Joined December 2010
1006 Posts
March 20 2011 03:01 GMT
#2108
People act like it's a crime to let in Koreans for fear of them winning it. Really doesn't make sense.
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Reptilia
Profile Joined June 2010
Chile913 Posts
March 20 2011 19:23 GMT
#2109
why invites? i think it should be 100% qualifications
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dunc
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands1105 Posts
March 20 2011 20:02 GMT
#2110
On March 20 2011 08:31 Ome wrote:
As a previous poster said, just inviting all the GSL champions would be a good start. Also extend an invite to IM for winning GSTL, allowing them to pick a player on their team to compete. Invite the winners from IEM, Dreamhack, MLG, plus the open tournament they are planning. And then do applications for the rest of the spots, worldwide.


If you're giving free invites to GTSL winners and the s1/s2 champions I think MarineKing should get an invite too since he's been more consistent than any of the others. Aside from MC, of course.
Snaphoo
Profile Joined July 2010
United States614 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-20 22:10:25
March 20 2011 22:10 GMT
#2111
@Reptilia: Because crazy things happen in qualifiers, and players who get "hot" or lucky on a certain day can take out far more qualified players. Invites are also usually fan favorites that build a lot of hype and excitement for the tournament. Also, it would be pretty difficult to set up a qualification system for Korean players, who no doubt comprise a majority of the top players in the world at the moment. Of course, there SHOULD still be qualifiers-- just saying invites are great too.

Let's be serious: are you more excited to see MouzStrelok play in TSL3, or NesTea? And furthermore...

(TSL3 Spoiler):
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Just take a look at the bloodbath of oGsMC versus Ciara to see why "invites" aren't just getting free passes, and how even people who qualify can often be on a much lower tier than than players coming in through invites.
Asparagus
Profile Joined December 2010
United States269 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-24 11:36:04
March 24 2011 11:22 GMT
#2112
Even though I'm a horribad SC2 player compared to everyone else, I see NASL clearly lower in skill level than the korean leagues, it's blatantly obvious.

That being said, it's not our fault we can pull together a league that has a pretty damn big prize pool, and not have koreans who maybe get $600 placing 3rd in some korean tourney to come and possibly wipe the floor with majority of people.

Either way, I'm certain the top 5 will be highly predictable if top koreans enter the scene, and I'm calling it.

I think it comes down to money, and we don't want to outsource any more of it lol.

just my 2 minerals.

edit* imagine NASL is an Amateur Boxing Tournament and we bring in 5 WBA journeymen.
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adeezy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1428 Posts
March 28 2011 23:42 GMT
#2113
Funny that I argued with MYM.Cloud earlier about his feelings about this issue, in which he felt they should be separate or have some type of cap (and then MYM.Cloud did very well against MC, arguable the best player in the world). Honestly, people were freaking out a little much about IEM, but if you look at TSL and the recent GSTL, the gap is much smaller than people realize (though I would still say there is one).
I asked my friend how the ratio at a party was, he replied. "Let's just say for every guy there was two dudes."
IMABUNNEH
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1062 Posts
March 28 2011 23:50 GMT
#2114
On March 24 2011 20:22 Asparagus wrote:
Even though I'm a horribad SC2 player compared to everyone else, I see NASL clearly lower in skill level than the korean leagues, it's blatantly obvious.

That being said, it's not our fault we can pull together a league that has a pretty damn big prize pool, and not have koreans who maybe get $600 placing 3rd in some korean tourney to come and possibly wipe the floor with majority of people.

Either way, I'm certain the top 5 will be highly predictable if top koreans enter the scene, and I'm calling it.

I think it comes down to money, and we don't want to outsource any more of it lol.

just my 2 minerals.

edit* imagine NASL is an Amateur Boxing Tournament and we bring in 5 WBA journeymen.


With the TSL, and the Gom World vs. Korea Team Show Match, I'm fairly certain that the top foreigners are as good (or very very close) as the top koreans. The matches we see are extremely strong evidence for this, especially when the GSL matches don't have that "OMG LAG" excuse.

I think some top koreans should be invited by all means, and as someone who has followed the GSL far more than the foreigner scene I certainly "relate" to some of those koreans more, but there's no reason it needs to have that many. Foreigners are as good, and there WILL be koreans there. Unless the koreans in NASL do what they did in IEM, as opposed to what they are doing in TSL and Gom World Champs, foreigners are just as justified to be there.
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