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Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
March 19 2011 02:16 GMT
#2081
On March 19 2011 07:44 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2011 07:21 Seronei wrote:
I don't want to see 40 Koreans in NASL, then I'll just go watch GSL.


I don't want to see roger federer and rafael nadal dominate the US Open on US soil, I'll just go watch wimbledon.


Hahaha, this is brilliant.
Strivers
Profile Joined November 2010
United States358 Posts
March 19 2011 03:52 GMT
#2082
dodging Koreans would forfeit the integrity of NASL, espcially if they're saying "the best players in the world."

if any foreigner can go to Korea to try GSL the same opportunities should be available for Koreans. Koreans should have their fair % of the total player pool and of those players they shouldn't be hand picked from lower tiers. If its a SC2 tournament with large prize pools the competition shouldn't be rigged in any way..

lol at some of the comments here. We want to see the highest level games, not "drama" or "interaction" in chat..gimme a break
These little dudes really like the blue stuff..
ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
March 19 2011 03:53 GMT
#2083

On March 19 2011 07:44 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2011 07:21 Seronei wrote:
I don't want to see 40 Koreans in NASL, then I'll just go watch GSL.


I don't want to see roger federer and rafael nadal dominate the US Open on US soil, I'll just go watch wimbledon.




I love you. Oh god, so good.
secret - never again
zerglingsfolife
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1694 Posts
March 19 2011 03:59 GMT
#2084
On March 19 2011 12:53 ch33psh33p wrote:

Show nested quote +
On March 19 2011 07:44 Canucklehead wrote:
On March 19 2011 07:21 Seronei wrote:
I don't want to see 40 Koreans in NASL, then I'll just go watch GSL.


I don't want to see roger federer and rafael nadal dominate the US Open on US soil, I'll just go watch wimbledon.




I love you. Oh god, so good.


I love bad analogies
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Argolis
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada211 Posts
March 19 2011 04:05 GMT
#2085
My idea:

1) Invite the 5 Champions of the last 5 GSL seasons and any other major tournament outside Korea

2) Invite the big names from BW who have crossed over to sc2. (Nadda/Boxer/JulyZerg [if he doesn't win GSL5])


That leaves us with ~8 of the top koreans in the world (based on results). Leaves lots of room for full NA/EU players and allows for easy marketability. Legitimizes the league by including the best players in the world. I think it's a good way to start the first season.
Strivers
Profile Joined November 2010
United States358 Posts
March 19 2011 04:07 GMT
#2086
On March 19 2011 12:59 zerglingsfolife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2011 12:53 ch33psh33p wrote:

On March 19 2011 07:44 Canucklehead wrote:
On March 19 2011 07:21 Seronei wrote:
I don't want to see 40 Koreans in NASL, then I'll just go watch GSL.


I don't want to see roger federer and rafael nadal dominate the US Open on US soil, I'll just go watch wimbledon.




I love you. Oh god, so good.


I love bad analogies


I'll make it easier for you to understand.

Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal = #1 in Tennis = Koreans #1 in SC2

Wimbledon = No Roger or Rafael = No Koreans = NASL

I hope this isn't the case.
These little dudes really like the blue stuff..
chonkyfire
Profile Joined December 2010
United States451 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-19 04:26:48
March 19 2011 04:25 GMT
#2087
On March 19 2011 13:07 Strivers wrote:


Wimbledon = No Roger or Rafael = No Koreans = NASL

I hope this isn't the case.



I'm not understanding this? You're not saying that Wimbledon doesn't have nadael or federer in it are you??

i don't really get the tennis analogy at all since federer and nadal have both won wimbeldon and us open numerous times
Just when I thought that I saw I ghost, I realized that it was the endo smoke
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
March 19 2011 04:40 GMT
#2088
On March 19 2011 13:25 chonkyfire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2011 13:07 Strivers wrote:


Wimbledon = No Roger or Rafael = No Koreans = NASL

I hope this isn't the case.



I'm not understanding this? You're not saying that Wimbledon doesn't have nadael or federer in it are you??

i don't really get the tennis analogy at all since federer and nadal have both won wimbeldon and us open numerous times


No he means that the NASL leaving out koreans would be akin to tennis officials leaving out federer and nadal from wimbledon.

It's not a perfect analogy just cause the esports scene is still growing in NA, but was just used to display how silly it would be if tennis fans said they didn't want to see federer/nadal in a tourney because they could just watch them in wimbledon.

Point is you want to see top players in all the tournaments, and not just be satisfied to see them in only 1 touranment.
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Snaphoo
Profile Joined July 2010
United States614 Posts
March 19 2011 06:22 GMT
#2089
Watching the GSL Finals live right now, and the female Korean caster just commented that she was checking out TeamLiquid earlier and saw the threads about GSL Finals watching parties and wanted to give a shout-out to us... MC gave an intro in English... I can't fathom how some people say the Koreans don't care about the foreign e-sport scene.

What a moving moment of e-sports globalization! Kudos to GOM and the Korean progaming scene for reaching out to the foreign community during the GSL Finals!
Looky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1608 Posts
March 19 2011 06:28 GMT
#2090
after mc speaking english in the finals and giving the foreign scene a shoutout, ill be really mad hes not in the nasl
Geolich
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia375 Posts
March 19 2011 07:28 GMT
#2091
this thread is incredible... NASL without koreans would have no integrity

also the attitude of some western "pros" is a joke
MarineKingPrime!
Carson
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada820 Posts
March 19 2011 07:32 GMT
#2092
Judging from the play in the finals right now, if they want a NA or EU winner, they'd better not allow Koreans ^^

+ Show Spoiler +
But they'd better allow as many Koreans as possible!
"You have to remember something: Everybody pities the weak; jealousy you have to earn." Arnold Schwarzenegger
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
March 19 2011 07:55 GMT
#2093
On March 19 2011 08:30 DiaBoLuS wrote:
I tried to create a possible 50 man starterfield WITHOUT Koreans, so NA/EU/rest/+legends
I added a line after the best (i tried to sort it by skill somehow oO) 30 people - you see, how a possible field with/without ~20 koreans could look like.

no HuK no jinro, cause they obv wont play, but i added ppl like whitera, kas, sen, loner and others, who didnt do an application video so far - but could still possibly go to NASL.

Here the "list"

IdrA
SjoW
Kas
WhiteRa
BratOK
ret
Naniwa
MorroW
Tyler
mOOnGlaDe
Demuslim
Dimaga
Socke
SeleCt
TLO
Kiwikaki
ClouD
Strelok
qxc
Loner
MaNa
Tarson
HasuObs
Sen
GoOdy
TTOne
Drewbie
CrunCheR
Slush
HayprO
---------- the 20 ppl below (or others from that 50 ppl, possibly even more) could be replaced by koreans
KawaiiRice
Sheth
Axlav
Strifecro
PainUser
Adelscott
Machine
Nightend
Fenix
dDoro
DarKFoRcE
Minigun
LzGaMeR
ToD
CatZ
lalush
Incontrol
dde
Artosis
Grubby


Just to make you think, if "only the best players" - which means all koreans that want to apply, only does good for the tournament.

im still convinced, like 10-15 koreans would be perfect

€: forgot stalife and inka i guess. any other noticable NA player?


Very nice list. This definitely puts things in perspective as I was wondering how many good NA/EU players had already signed up. It's pretty crazy to see that some really good players (pretty much anyone on that list) won't be making it in. D:
applejuice
Profile Joined October 2010
307 Posts
March 19 2011 08:27 GMT
#2094
If the number of Koreans is capped arbitrarily, I will just laugh. Look at the top right corner. Korean standard time. As in, don't fuck with the hand that feeds, and don't fuck with the premier community site.
Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
March 19 2011 08:31 GMT
#2095
On March 19 2011 16:55 Chicane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2011 08:30 DiaBoLuS wrote:
I tried to create a possible 50 man starterfield WITHOUT Koreans, so NA/EU/rest/+legends
I added a line after the best (i tried to sort it by skill somehow oO) 30 people - you see, how a possible field with/without ~20 koreans could look like.

no HuK no jinro, cause they obv wont play, but i added ppl like whitera, kas, sen, loner and others, who didnt do an application video so far - but could still possibly go to NASL.

Here the "list"

IdrA
SjoW
Kas
WhiteRa
BratOK
ret
Naniwa
MorroW
Tyler
mOOnGlaDe
Demuslim
Dimaga
Socke
SeleCt
TLO
Kiwikaki
ClouD
Strelok
qxc
Loner
MaNa
Tarson
HasuObs
Sen
GoOdy
TTOne
Drewbie
CrunCheR
Slush
HayprO
---------- the 20 ppl below (or others from that 50 ppl, possibly even more) could be replaced by koreans
KawaiiRice
Sheth
Axlav
Strifecro
PainUser
Adelscott
Machine
Nightend
Fenix
dDoro
DarKFoRcE
Minigun
LzGaMeR
ToD
CatZ
lalush
Incontrol
dde
Artosis
Grubby


Just to make you think, if "only the best players" - which means all koreans that want to apply, only does good for the tournament.

im still convinced, like 10-15 koreans would be perfect

€: forgot stalife and inka i guess. any other noticable NA player?


Very nice list. This definitely puts things in perspective as I was wondering how many good NA/EU players had already signed up. It's pretty crazy to see that some really good players (pretty much anyone on that list) won't be making it in. D:


Isn't Demuslim on indefinite mia or did he fully recover?
There's no S in KT. :P
Technique
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands1542 Posts
March 19 2011 08:36 GMT
#2096
On March 19 2011 06:45 hugman wrote:
Poor English skills and latency issues are acceptable arguments against not inviting Koreans considering the format that the NASL has chosen, but excluding them because they are better is not.

If you tell a player "you can't play here, you're too good" then you're not a serious organization. If you're a player and don't want the koreans there because you're afraid you can't compete, then you're not a real competitive player, you should go play in silver where you know you'll win.

So gsl should exclude any1 who doesn't speak korean?

Either way agree with the rest of your post.
If you think you're good, you suck. If you think you suck, you're getting better.
cheesemaster
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1975 Posts
March 19 2011 08:36 GMT
#2097
On March 19 2011 16:55 Chicane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2011 08:30 DiaBoLuS wrote:
I tried to create a possible 50 man starterfield WITHOUT Koreans, so NA/EU/rest/+legends
I added a line after the best (i tried to sort it by skill somehow oO) 30 people - you see, how a possible field with/without ~20 koreans could look like.

no HuK no jinro, cause they obv wont play, but i added ppl like whitera, kas, sen, loner and others, who didnt do an application video so far - but could still possibly go to NASL.

Here the "list"

IdrA
SjoW
Kas
WhiteRa
BratOK
ret
Naniwa
MorroW
Tyler
mOOnGlaDe
Demuslim
Dimaga
Socke
SeleCt
TLO
Kiwikaki
ClouD
Strelok
qxc
Loner
MaNa
Tarson
HasuObs
Sen
GoOdy
TTOne
Drewbie
CrunCheR
Slush
HayprO
---------- the 20 ppl below (or others from that 50 ppl, possibly even more) could be replaced by koreans
KawaiiRice
Sheth
Axlav
Strifecro
PainUser
Adelscott
Machine
Nightend
Fenix
dDoro
DarKFoRcE
Minigun
LzGaMeR
ToD
CatZ
lalush
Incontrol
dde
Artosis
Grubby


Just to make you think, if "only the best players" - which means all koreans that want to apply, only does good for the tournament.

im still convinced, like 10-15 koreans would be perfect

€: forgot stalife and inka i guess. any other noticable NA player?


Very nice list. This definitely puts things in perspective as I was wondering how many good NA/EU players had already signed up. It's pretty crazy to see that some really good players (pretty much anyone on that list) won't be making it in. D:

Top 30 is a very nice list, bottom 20 are players that could defenetly be replaced by koreans, there are alot of players in there who I dont think are as close to the top as would be expected for this tournament (theres a few but still) artosis grubby machine incontrol kawaiirice ToD Lalush and axlslav could defenetly be replaced by koreans and it would make the competition in the tournament way more serious.
Slayers_MMA The terran who beats terrans
DiaBoLuS
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany1638 Posts
March 19 2011 20:31 GMT
#2098
agree cheesemaster.

i didnt even mention somebody like thorzain from EU who just 2-0d fruitdealer, since he is below the other terrans in my eu ranking... its sad that its just 50 ppl.

if you invite the best i honestly have to say, that not more then 7-8 NA players should be in :/
European Ranking: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=182293
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
March 19 2011 20:33 GMT
#2099
If Koreans arent allowed in the NASL, why should foreigners be allowed in the GSL?
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misaTO
Profile Joined September 2010
Argentina204 Posts
March 19 2011 20:49 GMT
#2100
Fruitdealer got demolished by Thorzine lol.
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