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Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
March 16 2011 16:36 GMT
#1301
On March 17 2011 01:34 underdawg wrote:
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On March 17 2011 01:26 Pokebunny wrote:
It had nothing to do with whether they want koreans competing against them. Tyler specifically said the other matches were more interesting to him and Strelok said he'd rather not have them as a spectator.

goddamn you're a retard

So it's retarded to believe what people say? I think Tyler and Strelok are smart enough to express their own thoughts accurately.
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
storm8ring3r
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany227 Posts
March 16 2011 16:40 GMT
#1302
I think there should be a open tournament to device 4 or 8 korean invites
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underdawg
Profile Joined January 2011
United States399 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-16 16:45:13
March 16 2011 16:42 GMT
#1303
On March 17 2011 01:36 Pokebunny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2011 01:34 underdawg wrote:
On March 17 2011 01:26 Pokebunny wrote:
It had nothing to do with whether they want koreans competing against them. Tyler specifically said the other matches were more interesting to him and Strelok said he'd rather not have them as a spectator.

goddamn you're a retard

So it's retarded to believe what people say? I think Tyler and Strelok are smart enough to express their own thoughts accurately.

yes, in this situation
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-16 16:46:04
March 16 2011 16:42 GMT
#1304
On March 17 2011 00:07 Rob28 wrote:
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On March 16 2011 23:50 Consolidate wrote:
On March 16 2011 23:45 Rob28 wrote:
Two options IMO:

1) Invite any Koreans who want in, and Europeans, and change the name of the organization.

2) Invite only members of North American countries, thus confirming it is the North American league.


Yeah...

Your opinion is severely questionable. Do you realise that 'North American' can be a reference to the league's location right?

Why does the name matter so much to you anyway?


The league is located on the internet. LAN tournies and such will be isolated to NA, sure, but the league itself is accessable from anywhere an internet connection can be established.

And generally any organization that includes a place in it's name has membership confined to that place. Find me an example of one where the majority of members are from outside the location that the name specifically refers to (as it would be were NASL to have unrestricted access by Korean gamers), and I'll retract my statement.


Another example would be like basically every sports team in the world. For instance you don't even have to be from Canada, and not even from Toronto to play for Toronto maple leaves in hockey.
The NA server is considered to be inferior to both the EU and the Korean server, so it simply wouldn't be as interesting to watch.
Having the best players competing helps the tournament having a grace of being really legit.
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
dkim
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States255 Posts
March 16 2011 16:44 GMT
#1305
pokebunny seems to somehow link no koreans in nasl to him taking down #1 prize lol.
if you are a true competitor you would want to be competing with the best, that's all.
zasda
Profile Joined March 2011
381 Posts
March 16 2011 16:44 GMT
#1306
On March 17 2011 01:33 underdawg wrote:
i don't get the whole "care about this tournament" bullshit either. the players' jobs are to play and win. it's the organizers' jobs to promote the tournament and do extra things to make it entertaining.

GSL doesn't have a "care about korea" requirement to play. in fact, it's almost appalling how little korean even people like artosis know considering how long they've been there. does GSL care that the foreign players there don't speak a lick of korean and thus need translators? no. does jinro get special treatment because he named himself after a soju brand? no.

it's just another stupid stereotype (koreans have no souls, they are APM and $ machines) when people are really grasping at straws because they don't want to play with the big boys.

yeah its too bad, guess its gonna be just like bw even after all the big talk @ release. expected of course.
svi
Profile Joined October 2010
405 Posts
March 16 2011 16:47 GMT
#1307
bring 5 koreans only.

if you have too many american players then the tournament will be a joke. everyone saw how terrible mlg is in terms of skill especially in ro64 rounds.

there are maybe 10 americans that even know how to play; the rest are just painful to watch. i don't want to watch crappy play, just like how i don't want to watch 2 blind teams play against each other in basketball.
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
March 16 2011 16:49 GMT
#1308
I hope from the bottom of my heart I never see Pokebunny in NASL. He's thrown away all professional credibility by doing whatever he can to avoid increasing the level of competition in the league. -.-
kawaiiryuko
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States368 Posts
March 16 2011 16:51 GMT
#1309
I do think there's some value to having the tournament be narrowed to one city or area, though. Think of it: in almost every industry, there is a lot of value in having like-minded people around (Silicon Valley, NC's biotech research centers, SD's biotech centers, NY's financial centers, Hollywood).

So, given the size of the US (as opposed to Korea, which if I understand it correctly, isn't all that big - to travel from Incheon to Seoul is basically my commute to work daily, I think), western pro-gamers just can't cluster like the Koreans do.
Treemonkeys
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2082 Posts
March 16 2011 16:51 GMT
#1310
It bothers me that cherry picking the invites based on race/nationality is even being considered, but it's not my league to run.

It's still nice to see that the majority of people who voted agree with me though.

I don't care about what color their skin is, how well they can speak english, or how entertaining they are when not playing starcraft. I only care about how good they are at starcraft. It's a starcraft tournament, that is all that should matter. NASL certainly can cherry pick for the sake of what they think will be more entertaining, but the tournament will lose prestige and respectability because of it.

It's hard to get too excited when your favorite player wins "the championship" when there are other, better players out there who were not allowed to participate.
http://shroomspiration.blogspot.com/
goiflin
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1218 Posts
March 16 2011 16:51 GMT
#1311
On March 17 2011 01:42 underdawg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2011 01:36 Pokebunny wrote:
On March 17 2011 01:34 underdawg wrote:
On March 17 2011 01:26 Pokebunny wrote:
It had nothing to do with whether they want koreans competing against them. Tyler specifically said the other matches were more interesting to him and Strelok said he'd rather not have them as a spectator.

goddamn you're a retard

So it's retarded to believe what people say? I think Tyler and Strelok are smart enough to express their own thoughts accurately.

yes, in this situation


You make no sense at all. Those are quotes from those players; they're intrested in seeing foreign players against foreign players. What poke is trying to say is, is that it will be more intresting to the average spectator, to see a foreigner versus foreigner match than a korean versus foreigner, or korean versus korean match.

If that's their opinion, then I'm down with it, but they're not retarded for thinking that.
Sqq
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway2023 Posts
March 16 2011 16:51 GMT
#1312
Why would you exclude Koreans ? If any other country besides USA and Canada plays, then it should be fair to let the Koreans play also. Some people.
Dead girls don't say no.
underdawg
Profile Joined January 2011
United States399 Posts
March 16 2011 16:55 GMT
#1313
On March 17 2011 01:51 goiflin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2011 01:42 underdawg wrote:
On March 17 2011 01:36 Pokebunny wrote:
On March 17 2011 01:34 underdawg wrote:
On March 17 2011 01:26 Pokebunny wrote:
It had nothing to do with whether they want koreans competing against them. Tyler specifically said the other matches were more interesting to him and Strelok said he'd rather not have them as a spectator.

goddamn you're a retard

So it's retarded to believe what people say? I think Tyler and Strelok are smart enough to express their own thoughts accurately.

yes, in this situation


You make no sense at all. Those are quotes from those players; they're intrested in seeing foreign players against foreign players. What poke is trying to say is, is that it will be more intresting to the average spectator, to see a foreigner versus foreigner match than a korean versus foreigner, or korean versus korean match.

If that's their opinion, then I'm down with it, but they're not retarded for thinking that.

1. tyler is talking about his teammates, his personal buddies. they are not pokebunny's friends.
2. i don't think competitors can take off their competitor hat and put on their spectator hat and talk without bias in these sorts of situations. it has nothing to do with how smart they are.
3. tyler doesn't count jinro as korean and thus i don't think he really thought about what he said.
4. i said poke is retarded, not tyler or strelok, get it straight.
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
March 16 2011 16:56 GMT
#1314
On March 17 2011 01:44 dkim wrote:
pokebunny seems to somehow link no koreans in nasl to him taking down #1 prize lol.
if you are a true competitor you would want to be competing with the best, that's all.


stop putting words in his mouth.

i disagree with almost all of his views but he has made it obvious that he has his stance because he prefers watching people he can relate to ( plays against in ladder)
goiflin
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1218 Posts
March 16 2011 16:56 GMT
#1315
On March 17 2011 01:51 Sqq wrote:
Why would you exclude Koreans ? If any other country besides USA and Canada plays, then it should be fair to let the Koreans play also. Some people.


Well, there's also the issue of having a korean playing against a european in the online qualifiers; there's going to be ALOT of lag. Alot. The more koreans you have, the larger the possibility of that happening is. It sucks, but that's how it's run, and a cap does have some merit when it comes to logistical headaches such as this.
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
March 16 2011 16:57 GMT
#1316
On March 17 2011 01:56 dtz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2011 01:44 dkim wrote:
pokebunny seems to somehow link no koreans in nasl to him taking down #1 prize lol.
if you are a true competitor you would want to be competing with the best, that's all.


stop putting words in his mouth.

i disagree with almost all of his views but he has made it obvious that he has his stance because he prefers watching people he can relate to ( plays against in ladder)


Ever heard of clandestine motivations?
imbs
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom320 Posts
March 16 2011 16:57 GMT
#1317
On March 17 2011 01:51 goiflin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2011 01:42 underdawg wrote:
On March 17 2011 01:36 Pokebunny wrote:
On March 17 2011 01:34 underdawg wrote:
On March 17 2011 01:26 Pokebunny wrote:
It had nothing to do with whether they want koreans competing against them. Tyler specifically said the other matches were more interesting to him and Strelok said he'd rather not have them as a spectator.

goddamn you're a retard

So it's retarded to believe what people say? I think Tyler and Strelok are smart enough to express their own thoughts accurately.

yes, in this situation


You make no sense at all. Those are quotes from those players; they're intrested in seeing foreign players against foreign players. What poke is trying to say is, is that it will be more intresting to the average spectator, to see a foreigner versus foreigner match than a korean versus foreigner, or korean versus korean match.

If that's their opinion, then I'm down with it, but they're not retarded for thinking that.


look m8 ur missing the point. tyler strelok pokebunny all have good reason to be biased in this "debate". it doesn't matter whether or not tyler/strelok/pokebunny believe wat they said or not; its easy to say something that strengthens an argument for a decision that could benefit yourself.
Treemonkeys
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2082 Posts
March 16 2011 16:58 GMT
#1318
On March 17 2011 01:51 Sqq wrote:
Why would you exclude Koreans ? If any other country besides USA and Canada plays, then it should be fair to let the Koreans play also. Some people.


Yeah and this is the slippery slope of the whole issue. You want it to be a north american tournament? Fine. Then just limit to that. But mostly american, some canadian, some european, but very few koreans? Then go one step further and actually discuss "Should we just limit it to Code A Koreans?" Now you are just using their nationality as an excuse to dumb down the skill level of the tournament.

Might as well just make a rule that "anyone who can beat Idra cannot be invited". It's obvious that NASL are interested in dumbing down the skill for the sake of our english speaking entertaining players being the main stars. This is pretty pathetic honestly.
http://shroomspiration.blogspot.com/
imbs
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom320 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-16 17:01:25
March 16 2011 17:00 GMT
#1319
On March 17 2011 01:55 underdawg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2011 01:51 goiflin wrote:
On March 17 2011 01:42 underdawg wrote:
On March 17 2011 01:36 Pokebunny wrote:
On March 17 2011 01:34 underdawg wrote:
On March 17 2011 01:26 Pokebunny wrote:
It had nothing to do with whether they want koreans competing against them. Tyler specifically said the other matches were more interesting to him and Strelok said he'd rather not have them as a spectator.

goddamn you're a retard

So it's retarded to believe what people say? I think Tyler and Strelok are smart enough to express their own thoughts accurately.

yes, in this situation


You make no sense at all. Those are quotes from those players; they're intrested in seeing foreign players against foreign players. What poke is trying to say is, is that it will be more intresting to the average spectator, to see a foreigner versus foreigner match than a korean versus foreigner, or korean versus korean match.

If that's their opinion, then I'm down with it, but they're not retarded for thinking that.



4. i said poke is retarded, not tyler or strelok, get it straight.

to be fair i'd probably argue with similar backward logic if the decision i was arguing for gave me a chance to play in such an awesome event.
DiaBoLuS
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany1638 Posts
March 16 2011 17:00 GMT
#1320
On March 17 2011 01:49 nvs. wrote:
I hope from the bottom of my heart I never see Pokebunny in NASL. He's thrown away all professional credibility by doing whatever he can to avoid increasing the level of competition in the league. -.-


lol. someone like pokebunny is not even top 200 in the world if you take all those koreans and europeans...
kidding me?
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