EPTNASL: Koreans? Top Koreans? - Page 37
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Discount_Glowstix
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On March 16 2011 10:30 Discount_Glowstix wrote: WWE is very popular because redneck are retarded, and they like the unrealistic drama that is more exciting than their lives @subversion NASL season 2 onwards should have some sort of open qualifier that Koreans can try. Considering how many games they'll have to play to qualify, even some of the better players may get knocked out along the way. Look at the TSL3 qualifiers, plenty of big name guys get knocked out in round 10 or whatever by some nobody who doesn't even end up winning. | ||
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chonkyfire
United States451 Posts
On March 16 2011 10:29 Kazeyonoma wrote: yes, one who plays for all4onegaming and wins smalltime tournaments like go4sccup ? so? of course he agrees with pokebunny, he's never getting in if koreans are allowed to compete, unless he starts practicing | ||
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HowSoOnIsNow
Canada480 Posts
On March 16 2011 10:25 chonkyfire wrote: Talking to my friend in vent simply asked him "would you be more likely to watch the NASL if there were koreans in it or if it was exclusively non koreans?" His response "If there weren't koreans in it I wouldn't even watch it" He's the casual GSL watcher who plays WoW and not SC2. hm He's black also So what if he`s black...what`s the point of even mentioning it?? | ||
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chonkyfire
United States451 Posts
if you're only letting amateur's in, at least don't invest all this money | ||
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chonkyfire
United States451 Posts
On March 16 2011 10:34 HowSoOnIsNow wrote: So what if he`s black...what`s the point of even mentioning it?? because black people are #1? I thought it was obvious | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
On March 16 2011 10:16 XsebT wrote: I'm gonna make an sc2 invitational tournament. At stake: everything I have, seriously. Streamed two hours every day with an extreme amount of commercials. Or skip the commercials if you buy the premium stream! Invites: Myself, my cat and that old lady from across the street. Get fucking hyped. Perfect straw man argument you've made! But that's fine, it's your show so you make the rules. However I will not be watching your show. I will be watching the NASL. | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
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Wargizmo
1237 Posts
On March 16 2011 10:12 Zzoram wrote: I think July, Rainbow and Ace have definitely put up results making them worthy of invitation and it's admirable that they made their videos in English, even if it was mostly impossible to understand. We never see foreigners try to do interviews in Korea, nevermind even say a word of Korean. I agree. Stuff like reaching a GSL final and winning IEM should definitely qualify you. There's no way this tourney can truly call itself global unless they invite the best in the world. | ||
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Peas
Canada102 Posts
On March 16 2011 10:18 DystopiaX wrote: Look at the prize structures for any tournament. Try to support yourself on a $500 eighth place prize. Not gonna happen. Prize money isn't where they get to support themselves, it's team sponsorships. How do those get bigger? When more people are interested. Therefore, the dude you replied to is being perfectly relevant when he's asking you if people are in it for the games or not. Popularity (and your precious "infrastructure") come from good games, not having non Koreans in there. I never once suggested that players should hope to make a living off of tournament winnings. Clearly infrastructure depends on interest/popularity...i never denied this either. His examples are irrelevant as a response to what i said earlier. On March 16 2011 10:20 caradoc wrote: Let the number of 'foreigners' who have attempted to qualify for GSL = f let the number of 'foreigners' who have succeeded = F F/f = Fr Let the number of koreans who have attempted to qualify for GSL = k let the number of koreans who have succeeded = K K/k = Kr Fr > Kr your whole point is hyperbole, you're spreading doom and gloom about how koreans will dominate and the NA/EU players will not have a chance, but there is very little that you use to base your opinions on aside from assertions rehashed with different words, which make them sound racist. Fr being > Kr is an awfuly uninformative statistic. Fr > Kr because of selection bias. Clearly any joe shmo korean can try out for the GSL. Skewed statisitcs FTL!!!! Ask yourself who the top 50 players in the world are | ||
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Looky
United States1608 Posts
On March 16 2011 10:36 Ghost-z wrote: Perfect straw man argument you've made! But that's fine, it's your show so you make the rules. However I will not be watching your show. I will be watching the NASL. thats what the nasl is | ||
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chonkyfire
United States451 Posts
On March 16 2011 10:36 motbob wrote: All this talk about race and xenophobia reminds me of when people bring up the subject of antisemitism whenever Israel's policies are criticized. Stop it. it's a valid point i guess race or xenophobia is the wrong word, but it's certainly discrimination What if the MLB banned latin american players? Or what if the english premier league banned africans? It's the same exact thing | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On March 16 2011 10:38 chonkyfire wrote: it's a valid point i guess race or xenophobia is the wrong word, but it's certainly discrimination What if the MLB banned latin american players? Or what if the english premier league banned africans? It's the same exact thing Of course it isn't. If the issue were that cut and dry no one would be arguing about it. Wanting to restrict the number of Koreans has nothing to do with race. It has to do with skill level, the pro/semipro divide, etc | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
On March 16 2011 10:09 Zzoram wrote: So you admit you want the NASL to be more like the WWE than a real sport. In real sports like Hockey and Baseball, the interviews are exactly like the Korean interviews. Practiced hard, support of my team, hope to do better next time. That doesn't stop millions of people from watching it. They watch it for the skilled play. Yeah, but baseball already has a massive fan base, and has for decades. If we want to get people interested in SC2, we have to give them a little something extra. Something they can relate to right off the bat - like drama and rivalry. If its a pure, hardcore, streamlined showcase of SC2 skill, thats not accessible to people. They look at it, don't know what the fuck is going on, and turn it off. We need it to be something special, something more. There's no reason we can't have the best of everything. On March 16 2011 10:34 HowSoOnIsNow wrote: So what if he`s black...what`s the point of even mentioning it?? The real question here is, whats the point of one person's response? It's anecdotal, and doesn't really prove anything. The guy is also a GSL watcher already - he knows whats going on in sc2. What I'm talking about are people who've never played it before, those are the ones we gotta rope in. | ||
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Peas
Canada102 Posts
On March 16 2011 10:24 Zeri wrote: Yea we need a culture that supports esports. You have failed address what I responded to your garbage post with earlier. The only way to foster that culture is to bring as many koreans as possible over and pit them against top Western pros. Yea koreans might kick the shit out of the westerners, but if a culture of them playing with and against eachother is established, then the skill divide will eventually go away. You are a complete idiot if you think that we can attain an esports culture without allowing koreans in. (Or as you put it 'that allowing koreans in will DETER western esports growth' I responded, you just arent competant enough to understand my points. I will repeat, bringing over as many koreans as possible will not foster a korean-like sc2 culture unless you actually had hundreds of these players move here permanently. Simply having them take all the top places (and thus all the money) in western tournaments isnt motivating for western players PRECISELY because western players arent yet on the same level. A loss is motivating when you could have won. Its demoralizing when you had no chance to begin with. | ||
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Let it Raine
Canada1245 Posts
2. to NOT invite the best koreans makes no sense to me, unless youre trying to keep this as a NA only tournament. (ie: no EU's allowed either then.) | ||
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
On March 16 2011 10:37 Peas wrote: Ask yourself who the top 50 players in the world are They're not all koreans. Not even half of them are. | ||
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nokz88
Brazil1253 Posts
I think 5 or so Koreans out of 50 or so would be fine. All I ever watch in SC2 is GSL and sometimes I want to know more about the foreign scene. | ||
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PsYLaR
Canada49 Posts
On March 16 2011 10:42 caradoc wrote: They're not all koreans. Not even half of them are. lol u remember , at IEM , Ace won against alot of best us/eu player and he lost in first round code a.... | ||
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DivineSC
United States128 Posts
As a standing current fan of Starcraft 2: Fuck yea I want the Koreans to come play on our soil. Let the Koreans come over so they can be out of their environment for months, years, see if they can still perform at the same level? We have Americans playing for 10-12 hours a day and are damn good if I might add. So whose to say that we can't have some of the best Americans come and beat some of these Koreans. I think it will be a good decision either way, but their is a fine line to walk between having Koreans coming over and dominate, and possible attracting less NA fans, and having the current fans of SC be 100% happy. | ||
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