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On March 16 2011 09:31 SilverJohnny wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 09:27 Subversion wrote:
You people arguing that you only want the best and nothing else are all fucking hypocrites.
I didn't see a single complaint thread over the TSL Korean invites. Why should Boxer be invited? He's certainly not the best - dude just got knocked into Code A. He was invited because he's BOXER, he's a big name, he's really famous, people want to see him play. In terms of raw skill, there are plenty of people more deserving.
What about Haypro? He is a good player certainly, but in Korea has had extremely limited success. Even Ret to a certain extent. Why no complaints? Obviously he's from Liquid and its their tournament, but he's also a foreigner, and people want to see how our foreigners in Korea shape up to the Western competition.
NASL is not just producing a tournament, they're producing an epic show. They want drama, rivalry, smack-talk and all other kinds of things which are ENTERTAINING to watch. Some of you may think that simply seeing the best of the best crushing every tournament and giving modest, translated and frankly boring interviews is entertaining, but a lot of people disagree.
You need to remember that NASL is about expanding e-sports in the WEST, it's doing just fine in Korea already. If someone new to SC2 turns on NASL and sees people being crushed by Koreans and then giving a boring as hell interview in Korean, they probably won't really have their interest piqued. We want people to get involved, we want e-sports to grow, so we should also want NASL to be a helluva show to the casual player, and not just our elitist overinflated egos.
Come on guys.
This. 100% This. I wish I hadn't posted and had just quoted this, because its so right on the mark that this thread should be over.
Uh, the difference between TSL and NASL "Korean" invite is that TSL defined Koreans very specifically. TSL also used a very intelligent method, they invited 'top' players as well as some 'interesting' players to generate hype. Also, TSL allowed 13 "Korean"-defined players to participate out of 32 player, which is pretty decent proportion. NASL is talking about 5 players out of 50, when its a purely invite-only league.
Also, as of right now, we have no idea if NASL will consider players like IdrA, HayprO, and Jinro as "Koreans".
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On March 16 2011 09:55 Ridiculisk wrote:
I was under the impression (after listening to SotG) that the only limitation on entry was no more than 5 players per team? I remember Tyler being somewhat upset by this.
Why not simply let that stick? I mean, it's not like EVERY single top korean team is going to pack up, leave their home country and play SC2 in America. Especially considdering the amount of money and fame they get back home in the GSL.
So why not forget about restrictions in terms of country of origin and just stick to the currently accepted format of 5 players per team?
The fact of the matter is, they are the best in the world. If NASL aims at making a high quality Starcraft tournament they can't exclude the best...
1) The 5 per team rule has been removed.
2) The majority of the tournament is online so there is no need to go to California except for the finals.
... >_<
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watching NESTEA, MVP, MKP, BoxeR, etc dropping to up/down's was probably one of the most dramatic things we'd ever seen. watching sanzenith, a man counted out of the tournament months before it even started, come out and make top 8 was drama. I fail to see how anything GSL or Korean related is automatically boring or "non-drama" filled. I love SeleCT and qxc, and shit it'd be drama just to see them go up against koreans in NASL, hell if they WON it'd be amazing, something i think both of them CAN do if they devote themselves the way the koreans do. If they lost, it'd STILL be drama for me because I hate to see my favorites lose. How the hell does having korean's banned from the tournament somehow create MORE drama.
Shit, IEM was AWESOME to watch because we got to see the korean's dominate, and yet, there was still some awesome matches vying for the #3 spot in the group stages which included a korean in the fight. How awesome was it to see MorroW, a former terran turned zerg, make it into the final 6, watching idra and moonglade make it into the final 6, to duke it out with the koreans. THAT was awesome. I somehow doubt it would've been automatically MORE AWESOME without koreans there.
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On March 16 2011 09:32 Zeri wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 09:27 Peas wrote:On March 16 2011 09:19 HolyArrow wrote:
Actively restricting Koreans from the NASL would be a fucking disgrace. What kind of league says, "Oh, these guys are too good so we'll put a quota on them so our people have a better chance"? Its not about saying "they are too good, w r scurred". Its about creating the infrastructure within europe and north american that would ultimately lead to global SC2 parity. Having 20+ koreans dominate a tournament so fundimental to the growth of e-sports in the west would be a bad thing. It amazes me how people dont seem to understand this. It amazes me how you don't seem to understand that the only way to break the divide in skill is to let 20+ them come play everyone else consistently. That is THE only way to close the skill divide. Non-Koreans and Koreans playing each other consistently
This is precisely right. The only way for foreigners to get better, is to get their shit wrecked repeatedly until they improve. If it takes the Koreans dominating the NASL for multiple seasons, so be it. If you want the NA scene to actually improve in skill, this is what it takes. Have you ever heard of exposure therapy? Don't baby the foreigners to protect them from the fear of losing.
The reason I watch the GSL is to watch the very best. If you want to hype up a league promising the worlds best, and then say half of them can't come because they're Korean, you shouldn't be a part of e-sports at all. And don't compare the TSL to the NASL. Both have their merit, but were created for different purposes. I don't see how you expect foreigners to improve without facing the ACTUAL competition. I simply won't support a league that discriminates against great players for being great.
Yes, the NASL is in its infantile state. Yes, it's going to be a struggle for foreigners to win. Yes, it's likely the Koreans will dominate the scene, however, even the threat of the potential Korean invites should be enough to push foreigners to practice and play like they've never played before. Let the Korean scene come here and push our players further! If you want to treat this like Starcraft:BW, foreigners are only going to fall further behind. You think bringing 5 Korean players to the US is going to help the masses improve? Bullshit. Grow a set, invite the VERY BEST and prove you're worthy of being called a professional gamer.
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Inviting the top Koreans will hinder the foreign scene growth because they will dominate.
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On March 16 2011 09:59 Gijian wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 09:40 legaton wrote:On March 16 2011 09:37 Gijian wrote:
Just make the NASL in close time with GSL. Thus most highly skilled Korean who's already in GSL will be too busy to attend the NASL, while those that are not high up in GSL will have the time to do NASL, thus we're not biasing =) Therefore, the NASL would be like the Dream League of the GSL? Kind of sad. Haha I know. But you have to weigh the situation. Of course the free bias would be everybody welcome, thus most likely, the Korean will dominate. However, if you do so, it's really difficult to raise E-sports in North America, when all we could see is Korean dominating in Korea and in NA. Sometime people just want to cheer for someone of whom they have a connection with. Just look at the forum as an example. We cheer on every foreigners that makes it far because in some sense, we're more connected. If NASL were just to be dominated by Korean as well, it would be really unappealing to the "casual" starcraft communities.
What is this connection you speak of? I feel more of a connection to FruitDealer than I do to, say, Ret or HuK (no offense to them, I'm simply trying to make a point that you don't need the player to be "foreigner" or english-speaking to feel a connection to him). I've read his interviews, watched his games, and I'm a fan.
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On March 16 2011 10:00 Lennon wrote:
Inviting the top Koreans will hinder the foreign scene growth because they will dominate.
You could make the same argument for inviting all these established SC2 players because they will dominate over the up and comers. Why not make these tournaments completely open qualifier?
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I voted for the 5 best Koreans.
I mean, there is already a GSL, we need an NASL. What NASL can bring that GSL can't is north american views. We need focused programs like this to encourage the foreign scene to become attracted on their homeland.
The common way people think about Starcraft is that Koreans are the best, there is no reason to try. This is the wrong mindset, we should encourage foreigners to battle it out in a big tournament, and when non-Starcraft people see their friend or someone that comes from their home-state, country, or region is playing in a big tournament, they are most likely to watch. It's similar to Loner. Loner is the only Chinese at the top of the GSL and Chinese will watch just to support him and have pride that he represents China.
Don't get me wrong, GSL imo is and should be much bigger than NASL, but when I see idra and huk playing, I get extremely excited and watch solely for them because they represent NA.
Also, I don't know if "best koreans" is the way to put it. I think it should be the koreans that NA seem to like and favor more. Koreans like Cella interact a ton with the foreign scene and that thus makes him likeable by NA.
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On March 16 2011 09:55 Peas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 09:42 Looky wrote:
if you want to be the best you got to play the best. Any professional athletes will tell you this.
people seem to have a false understanding that if you only play amongst yourselves (NA/EU) they will eventually get better to play the koreans. No this will only widen the skill gap.
. I am sorry but this is just patently false. The only reason Koreans are better is because their infrastructure supports them as professionals and allows them to dedicate their lives to practice. If NA/EUR players had that, they would be just as good. Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 09:43 Zeri wrote:On March 16 2011 09:38 Peas wrote:On March 16 2011 09:32 Zeri wrote:
It amazes me how you don't seem to understand that the only way to break the divide in skill is to let 20+ them come play everyone else consistently. That is THE only way to close the skill divide. Non-Koreans and Koreans playing each other consistently
One tournament isnt going to allow non koreans to play with koreans consistantly. Hello? The problem is way way way more fundamental. What we should be striving for is to create a culture and an infrastructure that supports foreign SC2 players, allowing them to play the game for a REAL living...as in korea. When this happens, NA/EUR players will be able to, and want to practice as the koreans do. /facepalm Yeah. We need to set up an infrastructure that supports top level pro SC2 in the West. Yes. That involves bringing in Koreans over here. If we have a tournament as good as GSL, then they will come here to play more often. the cultures will slowly merge. we aren't going to make our own esports culture without theirs. You are using NASL as a one time thing, to make my argument look dumb, then you are saying its a long term thing in yours. ..wha.... Sorry, but LOLOLOL? I really dont know how to respond to stupidity, but i will try. Creating an SC2 infrastructure in the west does not and should no involve "bringing koreans here" or in someway piggy-backing them. Their culture serves as a model, yes, but we arent going to create such a culture here by bringing a few of them over here every once in a while. That makes no fucking sense what so ever. The NASL is the first major step towards creating the infrastructure we need. If 20+ korean's come here and dominate the tournament, it will DETER western based investors and it will suffocate our attempt to build a culture as strong as theirs
No it won't. You just aren't a very smart person. 20+ Koreans raping the first NASL will not cause professionals and young people trying to become proffesional sc2 players in the West to go "oh the koreans are too good. guess thats that for starcraft. i'm done." NO WAY! they will go "oh man the koreans ARE so good, I'm going to practice harder, maybe with them, so I can eventually beat them." And Westerners will slowly and slowly get as good as koreans.
It's so silly that you persist otherwise.
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On March 16 2011 09:55 Peas wrote:
The NASL is the first major step towards creating the infrastructure we need. If 20+ korean's come here and dominate the tournament, it will DETER western based investors and it will suffocate our attempt to build a culture as strong as theirs
I don't understand the this viewpoint at all.
Do people not enjoy Tennis even when they aren't Swedish? (during Federer domination period)
Isn't the EPL fantasically successful even when more than 50% of the players aren't British.
Are so many Americans so egotistical that they can only "enjoy" watching other Americans play - and not appreciate the game for what it is.
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I think I'm done with this discussion for now.
At this point the poor horse has been beaten beyond recognition.
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On March 16 2011 10:00 TRG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 09:32 Zeri wrote:On March 16 2011 09:27 Peas wrote:On March 16 2011 09:19 HolyArrow wrote:
Actively restricting Koreans from the NASL would be a fucking disgrace. What kind of league says, "Oh, these guys are too good so we'll put a quota on them so our people have a better chance"? Its not about saying "they are too good, w r scurred". Its about creating the infrastructure within europe and north american that would ultimately lead to global SC2 parity. Having 20+ koreans dominate a tournament so fundimental to the growth of e-sports in the west would be a bad thing. It amazes me how people dont seem to understand this. It amazes me how you don't seem to understand that the only way to break the divide in skill is to let 20+ them come play everyone else consistently. That is THE only way to close the skill divide. Non-Koreans and Koreans playing each other consistently This is precisely right. The only way for foreigners to get better, is to get their shit wrecked repeatedly until they improve. If it takes the Koreans dominating the NASL for multiple seasons, so be it. If you want the NA scene to actually improve in skill, this is what it takes. Have you ever heard of exposure therapy? Don't baby the foreigners to protect them from the fear of losing. The reason I watch the GSL is to watch the very best. If you want to hype up a league promising the worlds best, and then say half of them can't come because they're Korean, you shouldn't be a part of e-sports at all. And don't compare the TSL to the NASL. Both have their merit, but were created for different purposes. I don't see how you expect foreigners to improve without facing the ACTUAL competition. I simply won't support a league that discriminates against great players for being great. Yes, the NASL is in its infantile state. Yes, it's going to be a struggle for foreigners to win. Yes, it's likely the Koreans will dominate the scene, however, even the threat of the potential Korean invites should be enough to push foreigners to practice and play like they've never played before. Let the Korean scene come here and push our players further! If you want to treat this like Starcraft:BW, foreigners are only going to fall further behind. You think bringing 5 Korean players to the US is going to help the masses improve? Bullshit. Grow a set, invite the VERY BEST and prove you're worthy of being called a professional gamer.
I was going to write up a post exactly like this one. Just gotta say that that's exactly how I was going to respond to all these "lol NASL builds infrastructure" arguments. Good post.
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On March 16 2011 10:01 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 09:59 Gijian wrote:On March 16 2011 09:40 legaton wrote:On March 16 2011 09:37 Gijian wrote:
Just make the NASL in close time with GSL. Thus most highly skilled Korean who's already in GSL will be too busy to attend the NASL, while those that are not high up in GSL will have the time to do NASL, thus we're not biasing =) Therefore, the NASL would be like the Dream League of the GSL? Kind of sad. Haha I know. But you have to weigh the situation. Of course the free bias would be everybody welcome, thus most likely, the Korean will dominate. However, if you do so, it's really difficult to raise E-sports in North America, when all we could see is Korean dominating in Korea and in NA. Sometime people just want to cheer for someone of whom they have a connection with. Just look at the forum as an example. We cheer on every foreigners that makes it far because in some sense, we're more connected. If NASL were just to be dominated by Korean as well, it would be really unappealing to the "casual" starcraft communities. What is this connection you speak of? I feel more of a connection to FruitDealer than I do to, say, Ret or HuK (no offense to them, I'm simply trying to make a point that you don't need the player to be "foreigner" or english-speaking to feel a connection to him). I've read his interviews, watched his games, and I'm a fan.
I think most foreigners would say FruitDealer is more of a draw than Ret.
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On March 16 2011 10:00 Lennon wrote:
Inviting the top Koreans will hinder the foreign scene growth because they will dominate.
You obviously have no clue on how to improve yourself or game play. What do you do to get better? Play with people worse than you? No. You play with people who are better than you, who you can learn from. Sometimes it takes getting your ass kicked to learn you need to step your game up. Don't say foolish things like this, it's completely ignorant.
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On March 16 2011 09:52 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 09:27 Subversion wrote:
You people arguing that you only want the best and nothing else are all fucking hypocrites.
I didn't see a single complaint thread over the TSL Korean invites. Why should Boxer be invited? He's certainly not the best - dude just got knocked into Code A. He was invited because he's BOXER, he's a big name, he's really famous, people want to see him play. In terms of raw skill, there are plenty of people more deserving.
What about Haypro? He is a good player certainly, but in Korea has had extremely limited success. Even Ret to a certain extent. Why no complaints? Obviously he's from Liquid and its their tournament, but he's also a foreigner, and people want to see how our foreigners in Korea shape up to the Western competition.
NASL is not just producing a tournament, they're producing an epic show. They want drama, rivalry, smack-talk and all other kinds of things which are ENTERTAINING to watch. Some of you may think that simply seeing the best of the best crushing every tournament and giving modest, translated and frankly boring interviews is entertaining, but a lot of people disagree.
You need to remember that NASL is about expanding e-sports in the WEST, it's doing just fine in Korea already. If someone new to SC2 turns on NASL and sees people being crushed by Koreans and then giving a boring as hell interview in Korean, they probably won't really have their interest piqued. We want people to get involved, we want e-sports to grow, so we should also want NASL to be a helluva show to the casual player, and not just our elitist overinflated egos.
Come on guys.
It's cute seeing so many pro-restrictionists latch onto this post even though there are many things wrong with it. Firstly, the professed natures of TSL and NASL are completely different, which invalidates the use of TSL as an analogy to argue for barring Koreans from NASL. I seem to recall NASL, in its very trailer, using the lines, "The best players the world has ever seen..." Is that just bullshit? A mere cheap marketing ploy? TSL's very nature was to invite big, well-known names to represent people from all over the world. I didn't realize that NASL was intending to do the same. I thought it was supposed to be a legitimate test of player skill open to anyone - you know, a completely pure tournament. Next, you make the assumption that just because Koreans play in the NASL, there will be no drama, no "epic show". I find this to be inherently discriminatory and rather closed-minded. You also make the assumption that if we have only NA/other western players, there will indeed be some so-called "drama". What is this supposed to mean? Are you implying that NA players simply have stronger personalities than Korean players? I've been following the GSL since Season 1 and I for one have seen plenty of drama throughout - more so than in any NA tournament. Your entire post reeks of both western cultural elitism and the implication that Koreans are simply too boring, too polite, to "entertain" NASL's audience. Well, excuse me, but I didn't realize that NASL's audience was a bunch of shallow fans that are entertained more by silly things like "drama" and "showmanship" than by actual exquisite play in the very game that the tournament is supposed to be about (not that Koreans wouldn't provide both drama and showmanship; I've seen plenty of it in the GSL). I guess I missed the part where SC2 became equivalent to the WWE. Lastly, how can you legitimately expand e-sports in the west while pushing out the Korean scene because they're too good? Like I said in my previous post, restricting them would simply create a false sense of skill and accomplishment for many western players - if they don't have to go through Koreans to win some nice wads of cash, why bother trying to get better when you can simply dominate in your little local playground of a tournament? In your argument to restrict Koreans, you assume that the Korean dominance at the beginning will deter western players from pursuing a professional e-sports career. Are our pros really that weak-minded? "Oh, Koreans are too good, so I'm going to fucking give up instead of trying to change the environment I practice in and other factors to improve". You also forget that if Koreans come here to play, many of our western players will be able to make connections with them, and, in effect, make friendships, forge relationships, and get new practice partners. I fail to see how this could be a bad thing.
so agreeing with this comment. being racist and closed minded is not good. Koreans can be entertaining if given the chance.
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On March 16 2011 10:00 Kazeyonoma wrote:
watching NESTEA, MVP, MKP, BoxeR, etc dropping to up/down's was probably one of the most dramatic things we'd ever seen. watching sanzenith, a man counted out of the tournament months before it even started, come out and make top 8 was drama. I fail to see how anything GSL or Korean related is automatically boring or "non-drama" filled. I love SeleCT and qxc, and shit it'd be drama just to see them go up against koreans in NASL, hell if they WON it'd be amazing, something i think both of them CAN do if they devote themselves the way the koreans do. If they lost, it'd STILL be drama for me because I hate to see my favorites lose. How the hell does having korean's banned from the tournament somehow create MORE drama.
Shit, IEM was AWESOME to watch because we got to see the korean's dominate, and yet, there was still some awesome matches vying for the #3 spot in the group stages which included a korean in the fight. How awesome was it to see MorroW, a former terran turned zerg, make it into the final 6, watching idra and moonglade make it into the final 6, to duke it out with the koreans. THAT was awesome. I somehow doubt it would've been automatically MORE AWESOME without koreans there.
If Idra drops out of the NASL there would be much more drama 
You can't compare a 2 day tournament with a league/tournament over 1+ month, that's what's so exciting about NASL (with or without Koreans).
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I really don't understand some of the sentiments expressed.
My 2c is
First, NASL can't have credibility as a competition if it is actively preventing skilled players from participating. If you want to have an "Americans Only" tournament that's ok of course, but it will never have the status it would otherwise, and imo it will be a lost opportunity to develop the game.
Second, why do people keep wanting SC2/e-sports to be some kind of reality tv show/soap opera? It's about the games. Sure the players help promote the sport, sure some people can't be bothered to read subtitles, sure Koreans present themselves differently in interviews from Americans. So what. Why does anyone care? Watch soap operas for drama (especially Korean soap operas, they are fantastic - try Winter Sonata, seriously just watch it). Watch pro wrestling for bm posing. Watch the NASL for hard core best on the freaking planet RTS smack down.
Is how I see it.
Truth is if you make NASL a gated community, you are limiting the ability of NA players to improve. Allowing better players to compete, you will raise the level of the game.
My 2c. (As a non-American.)
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If Sc2 continues to grow the way it does, there are eventually going to be super teams that aren't necessarily the best teams right now.
that could include koreans, europeans or americans. Basically the best of the best
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On March 16 2011 09:48 rift wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 09:27 Subversion wrote:
You people arguing that you only want the best and nothing else are all fucking hypocrites.
I didn't see a single complaint thread over the TSL Korean invites. Why should Boxer be invited? He's certainly not the best - dude just got knocked into Code A. He was invited because he's BOXER, he's a big name, he's really famous, people want to see him play. In terms of raw skill, there are plenty of people more deserving.
What about Haypro? He is a good player certainly, but in Korea has had extremely limited success. Even Ret to a certain extent. Why no complaints? Obviously he's from Liquid and its their tournament, but he's also a foreigner, and people want to see how our foreigners in Korea shape up to the Western competition.
NASL is not just producing a tournament, they're producing an epic show. They want drama, rivalry, smack-talk and all other kinds of things which are ENTERTAINING to watch. Some of you may think that simply seeing the best of the best crushing every tournament and giving modest, translated and frankly boring interviews is entertaining, but a lot of people disagree.
You need to remember that NASL is about expanding e-sports in the WEST, it's doing just fine in Korea already. If someone new to SC2 turns on NASL and sees people being crushed by Koreans and then giving a boring as hell interview in Korean, they probably won't really have their interest piqued. We want people to get involved, we want e-sports to grow, so we should also want NASL to be a helluva show to the casual player, and not just our elitist overinflated egos.
Come on guys.
I'd like to drop some truthbombs on these statements if I may. 1. NASL is not the TSL. The TSL is produced by Team Liquid, for Team Liquid and its community. It comes around once a year and is special because it is exactly what we want. They can be biased, choosing their own players, choosing players based on popularity, etc. The NASL not only purports to have the best players in the world, but is an unaffiliated organization that should be unbiased when choosing its participants. 2. StarCraft II is doing better in the West than it is in Korea. Brood War still reigns supreme there. GSL may seem big but it is essentially the only major SC2 tournament in Korea and the players there are itching to play in anything they can. Outside of Korea, there are hundreds of tournaments with a lot, A LOT of prize money. Despite this, the skill level is higher in Korea for the many reasons that any StarCraft-educated person can tell you. 3. Koreans aren't boring as hell, that's a flat-out insult and complete bullshit to boot. They haven't been given the CHANCE to express themselves to us as an audience. The GSL interviews are rubbish. I was more engaged by Startale's applications than most of the non-Koreans', and I expect more interesting personalities to come out if teams like oGs and IM participate, which you seem so concerned with. It will be not only an interesting contrast to Western players, but we can see the inter-team dynamics and a better look into their lives--which are much different than the many of "pros" playing from home, with school or a primary job taking up their time. Also I saw so many applications from Westerners wherein the player did nothing of note other than speak to the camera monotonously listing their accomplishments, and sometimes in poor English, which seems to be a common complaint regarding Koreans. Summary? StarCraft players are often boring. Yes, some have entertaining personalities. But we have to give them the chance to express themselves better regardless of their nationality. Ultimately, it is their games and their skill we care about. If you want inter-gamer drama go watch WCG Ultimate Gamer.
1. The NASL is the NORTH AMERICAN Starleague. They want North American players, because their target audience is primarily North America. In general, almost all people prefer to watch their own, simple as that. Why should the NASL be unbiased? They have a goal they're trying to achieve, they want personality and skill. So thats what they're going after.
2. I wasn't referring to Starcraft 2 specifically, but e-sports in general. Korea has e-sports on their televisions, we want that in the West as well.
3. I never said Koreans themselves are boring dude, this isn't some kind of personal attack. But watching Korean interviews IS boring. They have a culture of extreme politeness and respect and humility. Admirable, sure, but it makes for really poor entertainment. Its hard to have smack-talk between two people who don't speak the same language (although IdrA does his best )
You say ultimately it is their games and their skills that we care about, but who is this generalised "we" you're referring to? There's a reason WWE is insanely popular, and it has nothing to do with people's wrestling ability. If you DON'T want inter-gamer drama, don't watch the NASL. Because in a number of interviews they've stated that that is actually exactly what they want.
I'd like to add that people really need to get off NASL's "the best players in the world" stuff. Its called HYPE guys. It's like when people talk about NBA champions as the "champions of the world", but its an American competition. It's just about creating hype, excitement, drama.
Also I don't feel that NO Koreans should be allowed, I say invite Koreans, but just keep it a little bit limited. I have no problems with 5-7 of the very best/interesting Koreans being invited, because that adds to the entertainment. People would love to see MVP take on some of our top foreigners, and I'm sure our foreigners would love the opportunity. And that will be flat-out entertaining as hell! So hey, bring it on. I just don't want GSL in the West.
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On March 16 2011 10:02 evoKe` wrote:The common way people think about Starcraft is that Koreans are the best, there is no reason to try. This is the wrong mindset
And how will not allowing Koreans to play because they would win everything doing away with this mindset? The only way to do away with this mindset is to have foreigners and Koreans competing with each other until NA/EU players are good enough to win.
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