On March 16 2011 09:42 mufin wrote: If a good number of invites go to koreans, then its going to be up to the NA/EU players to put in the hard work to keep up with them. If they can't keep up, then the casual viewers (majority) aren't going to stick around to watch their hometown superheroes get clobbered over and over again.
Then maybe it's up to the NA/EU players to step up their game and actually BE the hometown superhero and not the hometown scrub. (no offense to NA/EU players, i love a lot of you, just clarifying how this view is stupid)
And hell, if you guys really want to WWE-it-up and have "exciting storylines" (and really, isn't picking "rivals" halfway there? I mean on SoTG they already talked about how they'd have to think about it/make it up), wouldn't it be so much more "exciting" if the "underdog" NA guy managed to beat like 4-5 "superior Koreans"? If you cap the skill level by excluding Koreans even the championship will have the feeling that this person really isn't the best, that he could have gotten his ass kicked by any Code A guy. Put the Koreans in, and the victory would be that much more rewarding.
On March 16 2011 09:27 Subversion wrote: You people arguing that you only want the best and nothing else are all fucking hypocrites.
I didn't see a single complaint thread over the TSL Korean invites. Why should Boxer be invited? He's certainly not the best - dude just got knocked into Code A. He was invited because he's BOXER, he's a big name, he's really famous, people want to see him play. In terms of raw skill, there are plenty of people more deserving.
What about Haypro? He is a good player certainly, but in Korea has had extremely limited success. Even Ret to a certain extent. Why no complaints? Obviously he's from Liquid and its their tournament, but he's also a foreigner, and people want to see how our foreigners in Korea shape up to the Western competition.
NASL is not just producing a tournament, they're producing an epic show. They want drama, rivalry, smack-talk and all other kinds of things which are ENTERTAINING to watch. Some of you may think that simply seeing the best of the best crushing every tournament and giving modest, translated and frankly boring interviews is entertaining, but a lot of people disagree.
You need to remember that NASL is about expanding e-sports in the WEST, it's doing just fine in Korea already. If someone new to SC2 turns on NASL and sees people being crushed by Koreans and then giving a boring as hell interview in Korean, they probably won't really have their interest piqued. We want people to get involved, we want e-sports to grow, so we should also want NASL to be a helluva show to the casual player, and not just our elitist overinflated egos.
Come on guys.
This. 100% This. I wish I hadn't posted and had just quoted this, because its so right on the mark that this thread should be over.
The thing is, nothing in this post remotely pertains to the actual quality of the games. The hunt for great showmen is one thing, but is should be seen as an added bonus rather than a crucial factor, e-sports is about competition like all other mainstream sports and the quality of the players should come above all else.
This defeatist attitude with regard to foreigners vs. Koreans also frustrates me, if they roll the competition surely that should harbour a desire to increase skill level - playing against the best only betters your skill as well.
Finally, Koreans shouldn't just be left to the GSL, the whole point of this league should be getting the best players in the world to eventually play in the USA, and give them an arena to show their skills to a wider American audience.
Though I really want koreans to play in NASL, if you were to invite the top 50 players in the world, purely based on skill (now obviously skill is very hard to get an accurate measurement of) but lets say for the sake of argument that if the top 50 players in the world was all korean, would that be the NASL you would like to see? Now obviously there are some foreigners who probably are in the top 50, but the majority might probably possibly be korean.
Secondly i think some people are giving koreans a bit too much credit, its not like if you invite 10 koreans, 2 in each group, that there will automaticly be 10 koreans going through and will be basically all korean all over, and basing off of IEM which is just 1 tournament is not fair. I mean Jinro has been able to get far into GSL twice and is arguabely one of the better players in korea, and although he is also absolutly one of the best foriegners, its not like if he were to enter a foreigner tournament it would be autowin for him, same goes for idra who is now back in the states, i mean you very often see these players drop games to players of lesser calibre, I mean MVP lost to squirtle, and also got knocked out in ro32 in code S,
Very few players have more than say a 65% winrate in the long run against somewhat equal skilled comeptitors so even if the koreans are better they are still not going to just steamroll 3-0 everyone. Also in the group stage they will be playing with lag since they are in korea whereas and it will be played on US, giving the hometeam a decent advantage.
I guess what I would personally preffer is somewhere along the lines of 10ish koreans mostly compromised of the best (the July's and the mc's and the mvp's and some other big names like MKP and nestea and fruitdealer and nada : D) And then if they when setting up the groups\brackets I guess i would atleast personally preffer it to be having the top foreigners favoring 1 side and the top koreans favoring the other so as to have a more likely korean vs foreigner finals which is what I would preffer to see in a dreamworld NASL.
So what would it have to be in order to be "global"? Do you think world governments are suddenly going to start regional Starcraft tournaments and send national representatives or something? The GSL is about as global as any Starcraft tournament is going to get. This isn't the Olympics. This is a video game...
NASL is looking to provide the infrastructure for players in the west. I think that's its most important purpose which is what a few have put more eloquently than I. That is it's purpose and I think it should be allowed to do so. Having all the prize money go back to Korea will not provide that infrastructure, that awareness, to grow in the foreign scene.
I'm not saying the koreans are unbeatable. But, I think it's fair to say that at least some of that very sizable prize pool would be going back to Korea if Nestea and MVP are playing.
Well why would this be any worse than a portion of that prize pool going to Germany or Sweden?
Because they're part of the foreigner scene. That's what we all want to grow right? That's what I would like. The whole SC2 scene growing together, not just exploding in Korea. I would proudly cheer for Sjow, TLO or any of those guys from Europe. Like I said I always cheer for the foreigners. However, if any of those guys end up playing Tyler, iNcontroL or IdrA the American guys you can bet I'm rooting for the Americans = )
Invite a dozen Koreans, plus Moonglade and Loner, and then split the rest between Europe and the US. Nice balance, and a truly international tournament. Simples.
On March 16 2011 09:27 Subversion wrote: You people arguing that you only want the best and nothing else are all fucking hypocrites.
I didn't see a single complaint thread over the TSL Korean invites. Why should Boxer be invited? He's certainly not the best - dude just got knocked into Code A. He was invited because he's BOXER, he's a big name, he's really famous, people want to see him play. In terms of raw skill, there are plenty of people more deserving.
What about Haypro? He is a good player certainly, but in Korea has had extremely limited success. Even Ret to a certain extent. Why no complaints? Obviously he's from Liquid and its their tournament, but he's also a foreigner, and people want to see how our foreigners in Korea shape up to the Western competition.
NASL is not just producing a tournament, they're producing an epic show. They want drama, rivalry, smack-talk and all other kinds of things which are ENTERTAINING to watch. Some of you may think that simply seeing the best of the best crushing every tournament and giving modest, translated and frankly boring interviews is entertaining, but a lot of people disagree.
You need to remember that NASL is about expanding e-sports in the WEST, it's doing just fine in Korea already. If someone new to SC2 turns on NASL and sees people being crushed by Koreans and then giving a boring as hell interview in Korean, they probably won't really have their interest piqued. We want people to get involved, we want e-sports to grow, so we should also want NASL to be a helluva show to the casual player, and not just our elitist overinflated egos.
Come on guys.
It's cute seeing so many pro-restrictionists latch onto this post even though there are many things wrong with it.
Firstly, the professed natures of TSL and NASL are completely different, which invalidates the use of TSL as an analogy to argue for barring Koreans from NASL. I seem to recall NASL, in its very trailer, using the lines, "The best players the world has ever seen..." Is that just bullshit? A mere cheap marketing ploy? TSL's very nature was to invite big, well-known names to represent people from all over the world. I didn't realize that NASL was intending to do the same. I thought it was supposed to be a legitimate test of player skill open to anyone - you know, a completely pure tournament.
Next, you make the assumption that just because Koreans play in the NASL, there will be no drama, no "epic show". I find this to be inherently discriminatory and rather closed-minded. You also make the assumption that if we have only NA/other western players, there will indeed be some so-called "drama". What is this supposed to mean? Are you implying that NA players simply have stronger personalities than Korean players? I've been following the GSL since Season 1 and I for one have seen plenty of drama throughout - more so than in any NA tournament. Your entire post reeks of both western cultural elitism and the implication that Koreans are simply too boring, too polite, to "entertain" NASL's audience. Well, excuse me, but I didn't realize that NASL's audience was a bunch of shallow fans that are entertained more by silly things like "drama" and "showmanship" than by actual exquisite play in the very game that the tournament is supposed to be about (not that Koreans wouldn't provide both drama and showmanship; I've seen plenty of it in the GSL). I guess I missed the part where SC2 became equivalent to the WWE.
Lastly, how can you legitimately expand e-sports in the west while pushing out the Korean scene because they're too good? Like I said in my previous post, restricting them would simply create a false sense of skill and accomplishment for many western players - if they don't have to go through Koreans to win some nice wads of cash, why bother trying to get better when you can simply dominate in your little local playground of a tournament? In your argument to restrict Koreans, you assume that the Korean dominance at the beginning will deter western players from pursuing a professional e-sports career. Are our pros really that weak-minded? "Oh, Koreans are too good, so I'm going to fucking give up instead of trying to change the environment I practice in and other factors to improve". You also forget that if Koreans come here to play, many of our western players will be able to make connections with them, and, in effect, make friendships, forge relationships, and get new practice partners. I fail to see how this could be a bad thing.
Again, someone explain to me why they think that the casual viewer will only care if the players can speak English. The smacktalking isn't what's going to get people interested, it's the actual play. You're not going to get your average, non gameplaying person to watch starcraft based on smacktalk, they don't know what's going on and they don't care. If you want to get the average SC player or gamer in general to play, it's going to be the amazing play that gets them hooked, not the fact that idra said someone was bad.
Because I work in television and every time we put on people with an accent or a poor grasp of the language in an interview our ratings nose dive.
No one cares about smack talk, that stuff is again a turn off. But a good run by Andy Roddick is more profitable than an effervescent final between Nadal and Federer and that's fucking tennis which has the most acceptant and discerning sporting viewership on the planet.
I want to see a professional american scene that competes with Koreans. That's good Starcraft, that's good television. I don't want to see the inaugural North American Starleagues be a bloodbath where anyone new to the game immediately assumes that Korea is indestructible.
If koreans are going to be limited then europeans and latin americans should as well. Silly idea. Just invite the top 8 or so koreans and allow the rest to come through the season 2 qualifier tournament if they wish. Same with europeans. If the Koreans arent allowed to play in qualifiers then europeans will just take most of the slots and either way the American scene isnt going to be the most represented in NASL by season 2
On March 16 2011 09:48 rift wrote: 3. Koreans aren't boring as hell, that's a flat-out insult and complete bullshit to boot. They haven't been given the CHANCE to express themselves to us as an audience. The GSL interviews are rubbish. I was more engaged by Startale's applications than most of the non-Koreans', and I expect more interesting personalities to come out if teams like oGs and IM participate, which you seem so concerned with. It will be not only an interesting contrast to Western players, but we can see the inter-team dynamics and a better look into what their lives are like, which are much different than the many of us playing from home, with school or a primary job and gaming as a secondary focus in many cases.
Also I saw so many applications from Westerners wherein the player did nothing of note other than speak to the camera monotonously listing their accomplishments, and sometimes in poor English, which seems to be a common complaint. Summary? StarCraft players are often boring. Yes, some have entertaining personalities. But we have to give them the chance to express themselves better, regardless of their nationality. Ultimately, it is their games and their skill we care about. If you want inter-gamer drama go watch WCG Ultimate Gamer.
QFT. the only funny/good application I saw was from Tyler, and that's cause he's a baller.
For those of you saying that it's not dramatic because of the language barrier, wasn't the Clide/Zenio/IdrA thing entertaining? Yeah it was partially because Idra was there but it was Clide and Zenio calling him out, and it was just as entertaining translated through Jon than if they said it themselves. For those of you saying that Koreans in general are just boring, then you're racist and I want nothing to do with you.
I think you guys forget that "real sports" interviews are as boring as the Korean interviews. That's the sign of a mature sport. In NA everyone is still bm because they aren't treating it as a profession yet. To attract casual viewers, you don't want bm and swearing constantly. That just comes off as immature.
On March 16 2011 09:42 Looky wrote: if you want to be the best you got to play the best. Any professional athletes will tell you this.
people seem to have a false understanding that if you only play amongst yourselves (NA/EU) they will eventually get better to play the koreans. No this will only widen the skill gap. .
I am sorry but this is just patently false. The only reason Koreans are better is because their infrastructure supports them as professionals and allows them to dedicate their lives to practice. If NA/EUR players had that, they would be just as good.
On March 16 2011 09:32 Zeri wrote: It amazes me how you don't seem to understand that the only way to break the divide in skill is to let 20+ them come play everyone else consistently. That is THE only way to close the skill divide. Non-Koreans and Koreans playing each other consistently
One tournament isnt going to allow non koreans to play with koreans consistantly. Hello? The problem is way way way more fundamental. What we should be striving for is to create a culture and an infrastructure that supports foreign SC2 players, allowing them to play the game for a REAL living...as in korea. When this happens, NA/EUR players will be able to, and want to practice as the koreans do.
/facepalm
Yeah. We need to set up an infrastructure that supports top level pro SC2 in the West. Yes. That involves bringing in Koreans over here. If we have a tournament as good as GSL, then they will come here to play more often. the cultures will slowly merge. we aren't going to make our own esports culture without theirs.
You are using NASL as a one time thing, to make my argument look dumb, then you are saying its a long term thing in yours. ..wha....
Sorry, but LOLOLOL? I really dont know how to respond to stupidity, but i will try.
Creating an SC2 infrastructure in the west does not and should no involve "bringing koreans here" or in someway piggy-backing them. Their culture serves as a model, yes, but we arent going to create such a culture here by bringing a few of them over here every once in a while. That makes no fucking sense what so ever.
The NASL is the first major step towards creating the infrastructure we need. If 20+ korean's come here and dominate the tournament, it will DETER western based investors and it will suffocate our attempt to build a culture as strong as theirs
Again, someone explain to me why they think that the casual viewer will only care if the players can speak English. The smacktalking isn't what's going to get people interested, it's the actual play. You're not going to get your average, non gameplaying person to watch starcraft based on smacktalk, they don't know what's going on and they don't care. If you want to get the average SC player or gamer in general to play, it's going to be the amazing play that gets them hooked, not the fact that idra said someone was bad.
Because I work in television and every time we put on people with an accent or a poor grasp of the language in an interview our ratings nose dive.
No one cares about smack talk, that stuff is again a turn off. But a good run by Andy Roddick is more profitable than an effervescent final between Nadal and Federer and that's fucking tennis which has the most acceptant and discerning sporting viewership on the planet.
I want to see a professional american scene that competes with Koreans. That's good Starcraft, that's good television. I don't want to see the inaugural North American Starleagues be a bloodbath where anyone new to the game immediately assumes that Korea is indestructible.
But Roddick is also somewhat skilled, and i bet you that no matter who it is being interviewed, the ratings are always higher for the match than for the interviews themselves. I know personally I never watch that bullshit anyway, as soon as the match/game is done I turn it off. also, they make EVERYONE in the GSL use a translator, even if they have pretty fair english. I don't feel the need to cater to xenophobes and racists in that case, since you can't pretend that "people with accents are hard to understand"
I was under the impression (after listening to SotG) that the only limitation on entry was no more than 5 players per team? I remember Tyler being somewhat upset by this.
Why not simply let that stick? I mean, it's not like EVERY single top korean team is going to pack up, leave their home country and play SC2 in America. Especially considdering the amount of money and fame they get back home in the GSL.
So why not forget about restrictions in terms of country of origin and just stick to the currently accepted format of 5 players per team?
The fact of the matter is, they are the best in the world. If NASL aims at making a high quality Starcraft tournament they can't exclude the best...
Jinro getting good has nothing to do with time invested. TBH pro sc2 players don't practice THAT much (except when a match is coming up), nothing compared to the time progamers invested in sc1. It's not like a korean pro sc2 teamhouse is some magical land where revelations are made and players are talking strategy all day long. esp for a foreigner like jinro (hard to communicate).
the reason he's gotten so good is because he's a talented player with access to playing with talented players. You don't really need to be in the same house as someone to do this. Foreigners *should* be able to do this on their own if they are dedicated to each other even online.
Hmmm, from what I've heard/seen/understand they do practice THAT much. Do tell good sir, how is it you KNOW how Jinro got good?
My best guess would be thats its a combination of the entire atmosphere of being in a Korean team house that fostered his excellence. If he was purely a freak of nature talent he would of raped in BW, which from my knowledge he wasn't anywhere near the level he is in sc2. Its partners, long long practice hours, and being in a team house that made Jinro great most likely.
On March 16 2011 09:36 Rekrul wrote: LOLLLL. If getting raped in a tournament by someone of superior skill demotivates you then you don't deserve to be playing in the first place.
LOLLLL? Hmmm....expected more from someone with a billion posts. Ah well.
For people who are trying to play SC as a career outside Korea, it doesn't take much to give up and go do a normal career. Esp, when you're playing against people with far better resources than you.
yeah no personallity at all right? The sole fact they all did it in english instead of subbing it is pretty great , get over your high horses and clouded visions and let esports run its natural way.
On March 16 2011 06:42 motbob wrote: Frankly, the best scene right now is clearly the Korean scene. The evidence for this is diverse and extremely convincing. In IEM, players who can generously be considered high Code A material wiped the floor with some of the best players the rest of the world had to offer. In the FXOpen, an international tournament, relative unknowns in the Korean scene oGsHero and TheStC placed first and second. Huk was one of the best players, if not the best player, in North America during the time between the launch of the game and his trip to Korea. He recently qualified for Code S after some struggle, implying that his dominance over the North American scene did not translate to dominance over the Korean scene.
The list goes on. Koreans are simply better right now.
Another thing we need to discuss before proceeding is that the NASL format is very, very favorable to players already in the league. The top 42 34 out of 50 players in an NASL season advance to the next season. So, we can probably assume that players such as MC, MVP, etc would never leave the league.
Given the above, I would be surprised if the NASL invites more than about 5 Koreans, and I would be surprised and disappointed if they were to invite the very top Koreans. I'll explain why.
The TSL is the best international tournament in terms of quality of play. The organizers invited the very best players because they wanted to see the very best play. But the NASL is not the TSL. It has very different goals from the TSL.
Forget the NASL intro video. "The best players the world has ever seen?" If that were their goal, they'd invite 30 Koreans. The NASL's goal is entertainment, and they have a very specific mindset about how to achieve that goal. We've seen that a big part of the league is about drama and storylines.
Inviting the top Koreans will make the NASL worse, for one main reason: the likes of MVP would trash the top foreigners in North America (barring maybe Idra) with no problems at all. It would not be close. If ST.Ace can smash some of the top Europeans without dropping a set, imagine what the very best players in Korea could do. That prospect does not appeal to me as a spectator, and I don't think it's an outcome that the NASL organizers want.
Inviting Koreans in general is problematic because it's difficult to create storylines and drama around them, but that can be mitigated by only inviting Koreans that are unique in some way, other than just being really good. Names that pop up in my head are July, GuineaPig (for his aggression both on the battlefield and in in-game chat), Squirtle, Moon (his play at IEM was like nothing I'd seen before).
So. Invite a few Koreans, ones that have a creative style, or better yet ones that have ties to the foreigner community already (like Cella!)
I can watch GSL if I want to see the best play in the world. I want NASL to have the highest entertainment value possible, and that's why I don't support inviting many Koreans or the best Koreans.
I feel like there is a fundamental flaw in this sort of argument. I don't mean to imply these views necessarily as being infallible, but there is a key framework that the sports management world has. And, because NASL champions to be a promoter of eSports they should definitely take this into consideration.
One of the 5 keys aspects to developing a sports league is having transcendent players and having the best of the world playing. The reason people watch the NFL and the league dominates the market, and not the United Football League or others, is because the NFL has the best talent. The same goes for why soccer leagues in Europe dominate over the MLS. The same should apply for any eSports venture. If there is an opportunity to get the best talent, then you should venture out and get it. Though people want to watch players who are better than them--and by all means, any player who eventually plays in the NASL will be better than whoever is watching them play--they also want to see the best out there.
This does not necessarily mean that the entire field should be Korean. Other factors in developing a sports league need to be taken into account such as geography, and thus certainly bias needs to be given to the foreigners. However, limiting Korean participation so much is neither a good idea for the fans nor for the enterprise. I doubt there is anyone who would say that if the opportunity exists for the top (MVP, MC, MKP, Nestea, etc.) and most "transcendent" (ie Boxer, Nada, July, etc.) 16 Koreans to come and play in an American league, that this opportunity should not be taken. It gives the league more relevance and more legitimacy in the long run.
Of course, it doesn't have to the case for this season, but the earlier the better. There are many ways in which if the competition seems unfair against the foreigners that it could be alleviated. What immediately comes to mind is a set up that resembles the World Baseball Classic or even WCG. Unless a champions league for SC2 is a realizable possibility in the near future--one in which the top 4 from NASL get to play against the top 4 in the GSL and the top 4 in the IEM (or something like that)--then limiting one leagues playing field just takes away from its possible competitive nature.
In conclusion, the NASL should really consider allowing the best of the best comprising a much bigger portion of the field if it is serious about growing not only itself but eSports as a whole in the near future barring some contract of a superleague with the GSL.
There are countless examples of sports leagues that limit the amount of foreign players allowed per team, for the simple reason that they have an interest in developing local talent. There's no doubt that the best players in the world are Korean, but this league to me seems more about developing the sport outside of Korea, in which case, only bringing in a few Koreans as opposed to say a third of the field makes more sense. With a consistent league to practice for, and more games/competition, foreign players may have a chance at closing the gap between foreign and Korean players, which isn't as big as people make it out to be. Jinro has success in GSL and loses games to NA/EU players in team leagues. Idra had some decent success in GSL and loses games to foreign players as well. IEM was a different story, but even then Squirtle didn't exactly roll over Socke and Sjow in that epic tie breaker.
This league should be used to try and showcase and improve foreign talent.
On March 16 2011 09:42 Looky wrote: if you want to be the best you got to play the best. Any professional athletes will tell you this.
people seem to have a false understanding that if you only play amongst yourselves (NA/EU) they will eventually get better to play the koreans. No this will only widen the skill gap. .
I am sorry but this is just patently false. The only reason Koreans are better is because their infrastructure supports them as professionals and allows them to dedicate their lives to practice. If NA/EUR players had that, they would be just as good.
On March 16 2011 09:32 Zeri wrote: It amazes me how you don't seem to understand that the only way to break the divide in skill is to let 20+ them come play everyone else consistently. That is THE only way to close the skill divide. Non-Koreans and Koreans playing each other consistently
One tournament isnt going to allow non koreans to play with koreans consistantly. Hello? The problem is way way way more fundamental. What we should be striving for is to create a culture and an infrastructure that supports foreign SC2 players, allowing them to play the game for a REAL living...as in korea. When this happens, NA/EUR players will be able to, and want to practice as the koreans do.
/facepalm
Yeah. We need to set up an infrastructure that supports top level pro SC2 in the West. Yes. That involves bringing in Koreans over here. If we have a tournament as good as GSL, then they will come here to play more often. the cultures will slowly merge. we aren't going to make our own esports culture without theirs.
You are using NASL as a one time thing, to make my argument look dumb, then you are saying its a long term thing in yours. ..wha....
Sorry, but LOLOLOL? I really dont know how to respond to stupidity, but i will try.
Creating an SC2 infrastructure in the west does not and should no involve "bringing koreans here" or in someway piggy-backing them. Their culture serves as a model, yes, but we arent going to create such a culture here by bringing a few of them over here every once in a while. That makes no fucking sense what so ever.
The NASL is the first major step towards creating the infrastructure we need. If 20+ korean's come here and dominate the tournament, it will DETER western based investors and it will suffocate our attempt to build a culture as strong as theirs
Many top teams salary their players. Saying that it's not supported is false when Tyler, Incontrol, and many others' sole jobs is progaming. Are more people able to do it in Korea? Yeah, but that's a sense of scale and will come regardless. Many top pro teams are salaried, so it's not like that's solely a Korean phenomenon.
Also, money making people practice as Koreans do? Not true at all. Ask a few people who went there. IdrA was paid to be there and still states that he now doesn't practice nearly as much as he does. It's a culture/person thing, has nothing to do with salaries.
On March 16 2011 09:37 Gijian wrote: Just make the NASL in close time with GSL. Thus most highly skilled Korean who's already in GSL will be too busy to attend the NASL, while those that are not high up in GSL will have the time to do NASL, thus we're not biasing =)
Therefore, the NASL would be like the Dream League of the GSL? Kind of sad.
Haha I know. But you have to weigh the situation. Of course the free bias would be everybody welcome, thus most likely, the Korean will dominate. However, if you do so, it's really difficult to raise E-sports in North America, when all we could see is Korean dominating in Korea and in NA. Sometime people just want to cheer for someone of whom they have a connection with. Just look at the forum as an example. We cheer on every foreigners that makes it far because in some sense, we're more connected. If NASL were just to be dominated by Korean as well, it would be really unappealing to the "casual" starcraft communities.
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