NASL: Koreans? Top Koreans? - Page 34

On March 16 2011 09:34 LegendaryZ wrote:


Well, it has to happen somewhere. It's "global" in the sense that anyone in the world is given a chance so long as they can physically get there.

On March 16 2011 09:55 Peas wrote:


I am sorry but this is just patently false.
The only reason Koreans are better is because their infrastructure supports them as professionals and allows them to dedicate their lives to practice. If NA/EUR players had that, they would be just as good.



Sorry, but LOLOLOL? I really dont know how to respond to stupidity, but i will try.

Creating an SC2 infrastructure in the west does not and should no involve "bringing koreans here" or in someway piggy-backing them. Their culture serves as a model, yes, but we arent going to create such a culture here by bringing a few of them over here every once in a while. That makes no fucking sense what so ever.

The NASL is the first major step towards creating the infrastructure we need. If 20+ korean's come here and dominate the tournament, it will DETER western based investors and it will suffocate our attempt to build a culture as strong as theirs

On March 16 2011 09:36 Rekrul wrote:

Jinro getting good has nothing to do with time invested. TBH pro sc2 players don't practice THAT much (except when a match is coming up), nothing compared to the time progamers invested in sc1. It's not like a korean pro sc2 teamhouse is some magical land where revelations are made and players are talking strategy all day long. esp for a foreigner like jinro (hard to communicate).

the reason he's gotten so good is because he's a talented player with access to playing with talented players. You don't really need to be in the same house as someone to do this. Foreigners *should* be able to do this on their own if they are dedicated to each other even online.

On March 16 2011 09:36 Rekrul wrote:
LOLLLL. If getting raped in a tournament by someone of superior skill demotivates you then you don't deserve to be playing in the first place.

On March 16 2011 09:55 Peas wrote:
The NASL is the first major step towards creating the infrastructure we need. If 20+ korean's come here and dominate the tournament, it will DETER western based investors and it will suffocate our attempt to build a culture as strong as theirs

On March 16 2011 10:05 Subversion wrote:
3. I never said Koreans themselves are boring dude, this isn't some kind of personal attack. But watching Korean interviews IS boring. They have a culture of extreme politeness and respect and humility. Admirable, sure, but it makes for really poor entertainment. Its hard to have smack-talk between two people who don't speak the same language (although IdrA does his best )

You say ultimately it is their games and their skills that we care about, but who is this generalised "we" you're referring to? There's a reason WWE is insanely popular, and it has nothing to do with people's wrestling ability. If you DON'T want inter-gamer drama, don't watch the NASL. Because in a number of interviews they've stated that that is actually exactly what they want.

On March 16 2011 10:06 iSometric wrote:
Winning NASL means nothing if you don;t have Koreans.

On March 16 2011 09:48 rift wrote:


I'd like to drop some truthbombs on these statements if I may.

1. NASL is not the TSL. The TSL is produced by Team Liquid, for Team Liquid and its community. It comes around once a year and is special because it is exactly what we want. They can be biased, choosing their own players, choosing players based on popularity, etc. The NASL not only purports to have the best players in the world, but is an unaffiliated organization that should be unbiased when choosing its participants.

2. StarCraft II is doing better in the West than it is in Korea. Brood War still reigns supreme there. GSL may seem big but it is essentially the only major SC2 tournament in Korea and the players there are itching to play in anything they can. Outside of Korea, there are hundreds of tournaments with a lot, A LOT of prize money. Despite this, the skill level is higher in Korea for the many reasons that any StarCraft-educated person can tell you.

3. Koreans aren't boring as hell, that's a flat-out insult and complete bullshit to boot. They haven't been given the CHANCE to express themselves to us as an audience. The GSL interviews are rubbish. I was more engaged by Startale's applications than most of the non-Koreans', and I expect more interesting personalities to come out if teams like oGs and IM participate, which you seem so concerned with. It will be not only an interesting contrast to Western players, but we can see the inter-team dynamics and a better look into their lives--which are much different than the many of "pros" playing from home, with school or a primary job taking up their time.

Also I saw so many applications from Westerners wherein the player did nothing of note other than speak to the camera monotonously listing their accomplishments, and sometimes in poor English, which seems to be a common complaint regarding Koreans. Summary? StarCraft players are often boring. Yes, some have entertaining personalities. But we have to give them the chance to express themselves better regardless of their nationality. Ultimately, it is their games and their skill we care about. If you want inter-gamer drama go watch WCG Ultimate Gamer.