EPTE-stars Seoul pulls out Blizzard games - Page 4
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NuKedUFirst
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Turgid
United States1623 Posts
On March 03 2011 06:16 Kipsate wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=188322 [ Again, gretech's contract. This does not, by any reasonable interpretation, mean that Blizzard wants to somehow force Kespa players to play a different game. That's not even possible. | ||
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TheButtonmen
Canada1401 Posts
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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Arnstein
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Redmark
Canada2129 Posts
On March 03 2011 07:44 TheButtonmen wrote: Seems like they are cutting off the nose to spite the face. This. I'm not sure how much this changes anything except getting less viewers for their event. | ||
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MaYuu
Sweden516 Posts
On March 03 2011 08:48 Redmark wrote: This. I'm not sure how much this changes anything except getting less viewers for their event. Less lawsuits also! :o Guess they have no choice if they want to get fundings from sponsors that disagree with blizzard and their lawsuit. | ||
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L3gendary
Canada1470 Posts
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
On March 03 2011 07:41 Turgid wrote: Again, gretech's contract. This does not, by any reasonable interpretation, mean that Blizzard wants to somehow force Kespa players to play a different game. That's not even possible. that is what is stated in Gretech's contract with Blizzard, but Gretech is also the body responsible for negotiating contracts with other organizations within Korea (someone correct me if I'm wrong). They also requested the original contract between Gretech and Blizzard [2] questioning Gretech's authority to form contracts. | ||
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Insanious
Canada1251 Posts
On March 03 2011 09:22 L3gendary wrote: Hope blizzard loses and fast. if blizzard loses, then they have NO incentive to EVER produce another competitive game ever... or any other gaming company. No video game company will EVER try to make something that others can just take, and use, without paying them... this will KILL e-sports and will make the casual game even stronger... Blizzard is spending money to try and turn SC2 into the new SC (yes I realize what I just said) with respect to e-sports. When they release SC3 or WC4 or some other RTS they will be trying to do the same thing.... since it makes money. If they cannot milk and e-sport, they they won't make an e-sport... and then we can see blizzard simply transitioning out of making games like SC, and using the IP simply to make casual friendly games and end it there. People need to realize, companies are in this business to make money, and this lawsuit basically says to companies: "If Blizzard wins, we can make money off of e-sports, if Blizzard loses we do not make money off of e-sorts". Blizzard needs to win this for the gaming community... sadly. | ||
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Alizee-
United States845 Posts
Frankly, South Korea is a relatively small country, the only reason people gave a damn was because BW got so huge. Once that goes away no one caters to Korea and thus it goes back to being just another relatively small country. It could play a more important role, but unfortunately the people, organizations, teams, and players let them(KeSPA) dictate their future which is a shame. | ||
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Turgid
United States1623 Posts
On March 03 2011 09:31 udgnim wrote: that is what is stated in Gretech's contract with Blizzard, but Gretech is also the body responsible for negotiating contracts with other organizations within Korea (someone correct me if I'm wrong). It still doesn't strike me as a reasonable interpretation of that passage just by virtue of what the passage is suggesting. There's no way Blizzard could ever actively force anyone, by legal decision, to air Starcraft 2, and they could never force anyone to play it professionally. Potentially it's possible that they're trying to kill Brood War(though I think that's an exaggeration of what's happening, it doesn't really seem to be indicated by what's going on) but that doesn't mean they have any power to force a transition, nor can they imbue Gretech with the power to force a transition. That passage has to mean something like "Gretech has to do its best to promote and make available professional Starcraft 2 as the successor to Brood War". It wouldn't make sense as anything else. | ||
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Phanekim
United States777 Posts
for some reason though, i'm feeling that this is something for the long haul. its going to be a huge war but the winner emerges as the one that will define the paradigm of esports landscape. | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
On March 03 2011 03:10 Firereaver wrote: Lol. GL HF E-stars without blizzard games... lololol.  Gotta agree with this. Without the RTS games (which are pretty much dominated by blizz) these events are gonna lose viewers. Its not like more viewers are gonna tune in to CS because the prize money got bigger. They are only hurting themselves. | ||
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kedinik
United States352 Posts
It's bad for all parties involved that Blizzard's behaving this way. It's not a zero-sum game when someone hosts a tournament that popularizes your game; better businessmen and lawyers call that "free advertising" and "something we can't legally stop", respectively. | ||
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Tofugrinder
Austria899 Posts
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anatem
Romania1369 Posts
overall, blizz loses the least, and if this turns to a war of attrition, blizzard will win and all kespa and co. bitching about blizzard's demands will have been for naught though, a balance must be struck between the game makers and the external esports scene, so these things must be ironed out before esports can truly take the world by storm, so i'd rather it happens now than later and i hope the war brings as few victims as possible edit: spelling | ||
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DotADeMoN
United States517 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On March 03 2011 23:21 Markus138 wrote: I was trying to get some information about it, but I couldn't really find anything about the situation. Can anyone explain to me what the problem with KESPA and Blizzard is? (or link me to a thread if I accidently missed it) when KESPA started charging broadcasting companies for the rights to broadcast their starcraft tournaments, blizzard took offense and made the claim that since starcraft was their game, charging for broadcast right of their product isn't something KESPA can do, since they do not own the Intellectual Property rights to starcraft. KESPA then claimed that starcraft was public domain. gretech and OGN were willing to negotiate with blizzard for IP rights in korea. KESPA didn't like this at all, OGN without warning or explanation drops out of negotiating right before announcing more (now questionably legal) starleagues after a deadline set by blizzard. lawsuits have now been filed and hearings are being made. | ||
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
On March 03 2011 09:34 Insanious wrote: if blizzard loses, then they have NO incentive to EVER produce another competitive game ever... or any other gaming company. No video game company will EVER try to make something that others can just take, and use, without paying them... this will KILL e-sports and will make the casual game even stronger... Blizzard is spending money to try and turn SC2 into the new SC (yes I realize what I just said) with respect to e-sports. When they release SC3 or WC4 or some other RTS they will be trying to do the same thing.... since it makes money. If they cannot milk and e-sport, they they won't make an e-sport... and then we can see blizzard simply transitioning out of making games like SC, and using the IP simply to make casual friendly games and end it there. People need to realize, companies are in this business to make money, and this lawsuit basically says to companies: "If Blizzard wins, we can make money off of e-sports, if Blizzard loses we do not make money off of e-sorts". Blizzard needs to win this for the gaming community... sadly. Blizzard would still have the exact same incentive to produce good games that people want to play (and maybe even watch others play) as they've always had. Sales. You make it sound like the only reason for a company to produce a game that millions of people play, love and base their dreams on is potential broadcasting fees. That's hardly the case. And I'm certain it wasn't even a passing thought among neither executives nor developers during the creation of broodwar. My point is that if there is a market for hard, competetive, "esports friendly" games one company or another will make money by tapping into that market. Even if laws allowed people to sell their replays, their own custom maps or broadcast the game on TV for money. | ||
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