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On March 03 2011 04:51 Kipsate wrote:Currently the court cases are going beyond payment of broadcasting, from what I have understood from http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=188322It is also about forcing(probably too much of a loose term) OGN/MBC to broadcast SC2 instead of BW. For those of you who have not read the article, Blizzard is not in an owmyfuckinggodalmighty position.
But that was a contract with Gretech and Blizzard, not OGN or MBC and Blizzard. It doesn't say anything about SC2 in the possible agreements with those two broadcasting companies.
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Suicidal move by E-stars. Who are gonna watch those now :S
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damnit, kespa needs to try to win the whole IP war a different way, stop sending pawns to their death kespa.
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Honestly a bad move by the tournament organizers. It hurts them a lot more than it hurts Blizzard... A LOT fewer people will be interested in the tournament considering it rules out the most popular game in the world - WoW, the most competitive game in the world - brood war, and the most popular competitive game - Star2.
GLHF. Nobody will watch. Terrible move. GG
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Counter-strike is underestimated. A whole lot watch it actually. It's really big in Europe.
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On March 03 2011 04:13 purecarnagge wrote:
Here I have a product, why don't you just buy it... then make money off of it and never give me a dime. You really think i'm going to continue to allow you to do that...
only if i'm a scrub without a backbone. KESPA is going to get screwed so badly at trial it won't matter. Hell most gamers don't even like KESPA from what the pro's have said.
They aren't making money off it. This is probably a pointless discussion to get into because people with bad information and making shit up will no doubt flood out this thread, but where do you see a big profit for KeSPA coming from? If anything the fact that BW sold 4.5 million copies in Korea would suggest they helped make Blizzard a significant amount of money.
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On March 03 2011 05:32 infinity2k9 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2011 04:13 purecarnagge wrote:
Here I have a product, why don't you just buy it... then make money off of it and never give me a dime. You really think i'm going to continue to allow you to do that...
only if i'm a scrub without a backbone. KESPA is going to get screwed so badly at trial it won't matter. Hell most gamers don't even like KESPA from what the pro's have said. They aren't making money off it. This is probably a pointless discussion to get into because people with bad information and making shit up will no doubt flood out this thread, but where do you see a big profit for KeSPA coming from? If anything the fact that BW sold 4.5 million copies in Korea would suggest they helped make Blizzard a significant amount of money.
KESPA makes 0 profit, the organizations that make up kespa profit.
Pretty much the business model is
group of corporations form non profit together.
the non profit charges for broadcasting rights to a sport, the amount charged and earned pays for the industry mostly, with the sponsers (corporations within KESPA) paying very little to nothing.
the corporations get: ultra cheap advertising, paid for by the stations broadcasting the games
We get: to watch brood war
Players get: treated as billboards of varying popularity. with very small salaries (except a few notable exceptions)
it's just a simple capitalistic exploitation. nothing inheirently evil or wrong about it, unless you view it froma player point of view.
see if blizzard gets to win the IP rights, the organizations within kespa have to start paying the full price for their advertising, which they don't want, which is why KESPA is against it.
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Although this does really seem bad, you have to realize that this is how the world works. One day you have a beautiful flower, and then the next it is dead and wilted. You feel sad--until you notice a new flower in its spot the next day...
Until I pull that chunk of soil out.
Jk jk jk xD Good comparison.
Wow never heard of E-Stars, but I hope the Kespa vs Blizzard will progress faster. Well right now it's actually just MBC vs Blizzard, it might even take more court cases 
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It seems like way this is going to end is that bw outside of korea is gonna be killed off completely :<
kespa only gives a fuck about BW in korea and seems to be trying to threaten blizzard by making organisations outside of korea stop doing BW.
Blizzard doesnt give a fuck about BW.
am i getting anything right or am i completely wrong?
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On March 03 2011 06:01 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2011 05:32 infinity2k9 wrote:On March 03 2011 04:13 purecarnagge wrote:
Here I have a product, why don't you just buy it... then make money off of it and never give me a dime. You really think i'm going to continue to allow you to do that...
only if i'm a scrub without a backbone. KESPA is going to get screwed so badly at trial it won't matter. Hell most gamers don't even like KESPA from what the pro's have said. They aren't making money off it. This is probably a pointless discussion to get into because people with bad information and making shit up will no doubt flood out this thread, but where do you see a big profit for KeSPA coming from? If anything the fact that BW sold 4.5 million copies in Korea would suggest they helped make Blizzard a significant amount of money. KESPA makes 0 profit, the organizations that make up kespa profit. Pretty much the business model is group of corporations form non profit together. the non profit charges for broadcasting rights to a sport, the amount charged and earned pays for the industry mostly, with the sponsers (corporations within KESPA) paying very little to nothing. the corporations get: ultra cheap advertising, paid for by the stations broadcasting the games We get: to watch brood war Players get: treated as billboards of varying popularity. with very small salaries (except a few notable exceptions) it's just a simple capitalistic exploitation. nothing inheirently evil or wrong about it, unless you view it froma player point of view. see if blizzard gets to win the IP rights, the organizations within kespa have to start paying the full price for their advertising, which they don't want, which is why KESPA is against it.
I know how it works; But Blizzard isn't interesting in making a 'reasonable' charge for use of BW, their intention is clearly to shut it down entirely to help their new game. Which is terrible for eSports, considering after so many years the one single majorly successful game which has houses and salaries for players will be sacrificed for nothing.
It's hardly an encouraging move for the future.
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Hah, their loss, Will be a huge failure without Blizzard games. And in the meantime SC2 is getting bigger and bigger outside of Asia.
But Blizzard isn't interesting in making a 'reasonable' charge for use of BW, their intention is clearly to shut it down entirely to help their new game
Source?
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I love watching these tourneys shoot themselves in the foot. They're only hurting themselves in doing this.
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On March 03 2011 06:12 Hypemeup wrote:Hah, their loss, Will be a huge failure without Blizzard games. And in the meantime SC2 is getting bigger and bigger outside of Asia. Show nested quote +But Blizzard isn't interesting in making a 'reasonable' charge for use of BW, their intention is clearly to shut it down entirely to help their new game Source?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=188322
[4] "Transition to StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty :
Organizer will use its best efforts to make smooth transition from Starcraft I to Starcraft II: Wings of Liberty and its expansions("Starcraft2") and to make smooth transition of professional players from Starcraft 1 to Starcraft 2 from the time Starcraft 2 becoms available for play." was the original English on that article
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On March 03 2011 06:10 monkh wrote:
It seems like way this is going to end is that bw outside of korea is gonna be killed off completely :<
kespa only gives a fuck about BW in korea and seems to be trying to threaten blizzard by making organisations outside of korea stop doing BW.
Blizzard doesnt give a fuck about BW.
am i getting anything right or am i completely wrong?
KOREAN e-Sports Players Association so yes they can give a fuck about whats going on outside of korea (and they still had OSL finals in China).
not like BW has so many tournaments in the last years hm? (Outside of Korea)
Blizzard gives a fuck about any of their games after they sold enough stuff.
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Cheers Kip.
It seems like way this is going to end is that bw outside of korea is gonna be killed off completely :<
Cant kill what is dead already.
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On March 03 2011 06:17 Hypemeup wrote:Cheers Kip. Show nested quote +It seems like way this is going to end is that bw outside of korea is gonna be killed off completely :< Cant kill what is dead already.
Keep in mind, that except was from Gretech's contract, and that there was no mention of it's truth or defense from blizzard or gretech so far.
IE it's an accusational thing not a fact yet.
EDIT: also on tournaments doing this with blizz games, it's being 100% demanded by kespa, which means that the tournaments have to choose: run blizzard events without kespa players, and spend all this extra money on blizz stuff that won't be watched as much (due to lack of exciting participants) or just cut it and hopefully kespa wins the IP rights and then they can continue with the event.
pretty much kespa is saying side with us or your tournament will fail every year. and if they side with kespa their tournament fails this year but maybe not future years.
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I really think this will hurt E-stars more then it will hurt blizzard.
If this sort of trend continues, there will continue to be new tournys that follow blizz rules, while ones that refuse to comply will simply die off, at least from the RTS scene.
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This is weird. Maybe Korea will adopt some Dawn of War to continue with some RTS. Either way, this is not boding well for the community as a whole.
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