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Lokian
Profile Joined March 2010
United States699 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-04 04:39:49
March 04 2011 04:36 GMT
#101
Now, I can see why Blizzard wants money out of this.


Blizz no want money. IP protection for their baby sc2.
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Axeinst
Profile Joined March 2011
Belize281 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-04 04:38:59
March 04 2011 04:38 GMT
#102
People seems to be suprised after realization, that companies want to make money, not give their property to be used for free.
Xxavi
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1248 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-04 04:44:15
March 04 2011 04:42 GMT
#103
On March 04 2011 13:36 Lokian wrote:
Show nested quote +
Now, I can see why Blizzard wants money out of this.


Blizz not want more money but more IP protection for their baby sc2.

At the end of the day, they want money. What does "more IP protection for their baby sc2" mean for them anyway? This is business, everything for money.

I am saying like it is, we saw JVC's VHS technology winning against a superior Sony Betamax technology in history. Why? Because JVC gave license to everybody who wants to make it, and consequently, VHS price and availability was great for consumers, compared to Sony's who kept the technology to themselves being too greedy, and making it expensive and unavailable.

Blizzard is doing the same here. They are keeping this game to themselves, controlling every aspect of it. If there was any decent competitor, even if the game was inferior to SC2, the TV stations would gladly take it and advertise it. The price of the game, the price of the viewing would go down (price advantage) and it would be available everywhere (youtube, TV etc.). Blizzard would be left with nothing even if they created a better game. These idiots obviously don't learn from history, and of course, also they don't see any competitor around.

Just lately we saw Sony's BluRay win against Toshiba's HD DVDs. Now that Sony learned from their past Betamax mistake, they could push their more expensive product to public through tricks.

I love watching SC2, but I am goddamn tired of these idiots at Blizzard. You charge $60 for a game, you sell millions of copies, what the fuck do you want more you greedy bastards?
Lokian
Profile Joined March 2010
United States699 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-04 04:47:42
March 04 2011 04:43 GMT
#104
In all seriousness, of course companies want to make money, but they need to protect their games too. How much can they hope to get from their IP war? -_- Blizzard is bigger than that and they clearly stated that protecting their IP is more important than milking money... Check out the Blizz IP cases in America and tell me if they did it for money. SK is no different than other places.
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Xxavi
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1248 Posts
March 04 2011 04:47 GMT
#105
On March 04 2011 13:43 Lokian wrote:
In all seriousness, of course companies want to make money, but they need to protect their games too. How much can they hope to get from their IP war? -_- Blizzard is bigger than that and they clearly stated that protecting their IP is more important than milking money...

That's a great point there. How much money will they get from this? I don't see them getting too much really.

They are selling the game to millions, bringing a new game every 2 years and these competitions and hype keeps their sales strong. Their main job is not to mess up what there is, instead, go mainstream, i.e. youtube, TV channels etc. with the game. Yet, they are milking $5-10/month from online viewers. That probably even doesn't cover expenses. What's wrong with these idiots I don't know.
tyCe
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2542 Posts
March 04 2011 05:26 GMT
#106
Well, in short, I think KesPa's motivation is money and Blizzard's motivation is rights.
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UruzuNine
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada162 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-04 05:37:38
March 04 2011 05:37 GMT
#107
On March 04 2011 13:47 Xxavi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2011 13:43 Lokian wrote:
In all seriousness, of course companies want to make money, but they need to protect their games too. How much can they hope to get from their IP war? -_- Blizzard is bigger than that and they clearly stated that protecting their IP is more important than milking money...

That's a great point there. How much money will they get from this? I don't see them getting too much really.

They are selling the game to millions, bringing a new game every 2 years and these competitions and hype keeps their sales strong. Their main job is not to mess up what there is, instead, go mainstream, i.e. youtube, TV channels etc. with the game. Yet, they are milking $5-10/month from online viewers. That probably even doesn't cover expenses. What's wrong with these idiots I don't know.

Seems like you don't have a solid understanding of the topic when you go blending Gretech and Blizzard together. Blizzard doesn't make anything (directly) from online viewers. It makes money from selling its games and protecting its IP rights.
Bear4188
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1797 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-04 05:55:36
March 04 2011 05:55 GMT
#108
What the... talk about cutting off the nose to spite the face. I can't imagine this would affect Blizzard at all and will relegate the tournament to just a CS event.
"I learned very early the difference between knowing the name of something and knowing something." - R. Feynman
Velocirapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States983 Posts
March 04 2011 05:57 GMT
#109
I dont mind if everything from the OSL to the MSL gets shut down as long as Blizzard is willing to put up some type of timely replacement (if there is a market). Korea isnt important, its the players that are. And if running these tournaments is a profitable venture then new sponsors will step in to control whatever talent still exists.
Krehlmar
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1149 Posts
March 04 2011 06:02 GMT
#110
Ok lets break it down for easy measure:

Blizzard, wants SC2 to succeed and loves the free publicity of tournaments.

Kespa and other korean actors want to do their thing without blizzard putting their dick in it, and thus tries to stand up to the "big man" blizzard.

Problem is, Blizzard has WoW as a cashcow so they have absolutely no reason to back down... whereas Kespa and whatever will get eaten alive because they WILL lose the lawsuit and they have everything to lose: Blizzard may lose tournaments, kespa might die.
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Gak2
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada418 Posts
March 04 2011 06:07 GMT
#111
I think of it like this:

Would Blizzard rather not have the whole korean bw scene started in the first place? Because I could imagine a scenario that went like this many years ago:
Kespa (for lack of a better representative): "Hey blizzard, we're gonna try and start a big starcraft scene here in korea, you don't mind do you? We're not sure if it's gonna be really successful or not"
Blizzard: "Yeah sure! That would be great! Anything for more publicity"

... fast forward to the present
Blizzard: "Ok.. so now that your thing is successful and making money and stuff... we want a cut of it since you know, it IS our game"

This is kind of a dick move on blizzard's part imo, even if it is within their rights to do so.
sharky246
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1197 Posts
March 04 2011 06:20 GMT
#112
On March 04 2011 14:26 tyCe wrote:
Well, in short, I think KesPa's motivation is money and Blizzard's motivation is rights.


Kespa is a non-profit organisation.
On January 03 2011 13:14 IdrA wrote: being high on the ladder doesnt get you any closer to your goal. Avoiding practice to protect your rating is absurd. If you want to be good go play 40 games a day and stop thinking about becoming a pro.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
March 04 2011 06:25 GMT
#113
On March 04 2011 15:20 frodoguy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2011 14:26 tyCe wrote:
Well, in short, I think KesPa's motivation is money and Blizzard's motivation is rights.


Kespa is a non-profit organisation.

Not all non-profit organizations don't make money (see: many medical care facilities in the US) - and its not as if employees of kespa don't come home with a check every day. Clearly money is probably in the forefront of their minds when dealing with blizzard.
However, it's foolish to think money isn't the forefront of blizzard's minds either. This dispute if financial, on both ends. Neither truly has the moral high ground in my opinion.
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sharky246
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1197 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-04 06:31:59
March 04 2011 06:31 GMT
#114
On March 04 2011 15:25 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2011 15:20 frodoguy wrote:
On March 04 2011 14:26 tyCe wrote:
Well, in short, I think KesPa's motivation is money and Blizzard's motivation is rights.


Kespa is a non-profit organisation.

Not all non-profit organizations don't make money (see: many medical care facilities in the US) - and its not as if employees of kespa don't come home with a check every day. Clearly money is probably in the forefront of their minds when dealing with blizzard.
However, it's foolish to think money isn't the forefront of blizzard's minds either. This dispute if financial, on both ends. Neither truly has the moral high ground in my opinion.


They do make money but not for themselves, you know, like as in they use it to help pursue their goal, which would be the consistency of esports.
On January 03 2011 13:14 IdrA wrote: being high on the ladder doesnt get you any closer to your goal. Avoiding practice to protect your rating is absurd. If you want to be good go play 40 games a day and stop thinking about becoming a pro.
Drium
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States888 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-04 06:35:24
March 04 2011 06:32 GMT
#115
There are esports games not made by Blizzard?
KwanROLLLLLLLED
Aus.Force
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1278 Posts
March 04 2011 06:50 GMT
#116
Just put a second Blizzcon in Korea each year, problem solved
then you will see where the numbers tourn out
"no need for cinema, just watch special taktiks" - white-ra
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
March 04 2011 07:02 GMT
#117
Noooo~ Stop the purge Blizzards. Your maps suck too much to have an e-sport.

But on a more serious note, this may be good for e-sports in general if Blizzard can spread it elsewhere in the world rather than just in Korea. But again, it seems like the Korean culture has a completely different mindset on playing video games.
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
March 04 2011 07:06 GMT
#118
On March 04 2011 15:07 Gak2 wrote:
I think of it like this:

Would Blizzard rather not have the whole korean bw scene started in the first place? Because I could imagine a scenario that went like this many years ago:
Kespa (for lack of a better representative): "Hey blizzard, we're gonna try and start a big starcraft scene here in korea, you don't mind do you? We're not sure if it's gonna be really successful or not"
Blizzard: "Yeah sure! That would be great! Anything for more publicity"

... fast forward to the present
Blizzard: "Ok.. so now that your thing is successful and making money and stuff... we want a cut of it since you know, it IS our game"

This is kind of a dick move on blizzard's part imo, even if it is within their rights to do so.

That is pretty much how it works though. Just look at YouTube, for example. Even stuff created years ago that use licensed music can be pulled off if it violates copyrights, etc.
Bobble
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1493 Posts
March 04 2011 07:15 GMT
#119
Oh, by the title, I thought E-stars Seoul was putting in more Blizzard games (which got me very confused). It's amazing how a simple 'of' can change a sentence.
ooni
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia1498 Posts
March 04 2011 07:24 GMT
#120
End of 2007 Blizzard Merges with Activision
2008 'Blizzard' starts demanding for IP rights, money for stuff

Activision is involved...-> it's about money
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