I think that this format looks really interesting. I like that MLG is trying things that haven't been tried with Starcraft before. My only concern is how hard it will be to break into the top 16 because it will be hard to catch up on points to the seeded player, will the points start over with this tournament?

Jibba

United States22883 Posts

February 26 2011 01:49 GMT

#122

I actually like the format. I think it's one of the better ways to run a tournament. Having an extended series between the Open and Championship parts is not, however.

DystopiaX

United States16236 Posts

February 26 2011 01:54 GMT

#123

On February 26 2011 10:37 radioyak wrote:
I think that this format looks really interesting. I like that MLG is trying things that haven't been tried with Starcraft before. My only concern is how hard it will be to break into the top 16 because it will be hard to catch up on points to the seeded player, will the points start over with this tournament?

They usually reset after every season, or the points from the past season are used only for the first event/are weighted less than that of the current season, so it is possible to climb up the rankings.
Still hate extended series though...well at least the group stages is a nice improvement.

vdale

Germany1173 Posts

February 26 2011 01:59 GMT

#124

I like it, but please make the Final BO5

ThaZenith

Canada3116 Posts

February 26 2011 02:00 GMT

#125

Interesting format, but we need more than a Bo3 in the finals. Bo7 finals with Bo5 semi's would be preferable, but anything is better than Bo3 all the way through.

rift

1819 Posts

February 26 2011 02:01 GMT

#126

I am almost certain they won't use GSL maps. It's what they should do, if they had the guts to, but they won't--due to the open nature of their tournaments.

hinnolinn

212 Posts

February 26 2011 02:02 GMT

#127

I'm not sure how I feel about all the rules, but I feel for the most part that waiting until after at least MLG Dallas is called for before criticisms. But I do have at least two objections before then.

First of all, like many, I absolutely hate extended series. But that debate has been done to death, so I'll leave it at that.

Secondly, I don't like the order of play for the open bracket players that make it to the championship group play. I feel that having them play from currently placed 4th to currently placed 1st means that depending on how they do, the 1st place person might not even have to win to maintain first place. That would take a lot of the interest out of the last game or two of group play. ( edit: This also means that because they have less incentive to try they might lose pretty easily, which could effect the placement of other people in the group negatively )

If, however, you change the order for the player to play from 1st to 4th, then each game would still have meaning. The 1st place person would be inclined to actually try hard, because if they lose, the chance that the open bracket player could run the gauntlet and take 1st would be weighing on their mind. Then, each game after that, the currently placed person would still have a strong incentive to win because they're fighting hard for their current spot, or depending on how previous games have gone, a higher spot.

Bobster

Germany3075 Posts

February 26 2011 02:03 GMT

#128

So now that I (kinda) understand the format, is it correct that the better you do in pool placement, the less matches you have to play later on?

Meaning that we won't get to see the best players as often as lesser players?

whatwhatanut

United States195 Posts

February 26 2011 02:03 GMT

#129

so from some quick brain math this means between 1500-1700 games or something like this? (games as in maps played)

This sounds overwhelming gl to raelcun and prodigy with mlg mondays and sundays already had a hard time getting through 10% of the games!

Keeler

United States313 Posts

February 26 2011 02:10 GMT

#130

I feel bad for the players in the open portion. They wont spend the time between events practicing, they'll spend that time recovering from mental trauma Lol

FairDestroyer

United States50 Posts

February 26 2011 02:10 GMT

#131

It's very clear cut and simple to me; maybe because I played mlg circuit games for a couple years.

It's all about consistency; both throughout the weekend and the season. You get rewarded for skill and dedication.

So what if one of the top Koreans comes and has to play through the open. What about the players who've come to several events and earned their points (seed); they are the players who should receive the benefits.

Most of the posts I've read are very reactionary and have put no thought into the process or rewards.

ptell

United States103 Posts

February 26 2011 02:11 GMT

#132

Slasher you might want to integrate Tyler's explanation into the OP. It will make things clearer.

Silan

Denmark198 Posts

February 26 2011 02:26 GMT

#133

Maybe im just tired, but GSL made pretty much sense for me the first time i read it, This... not so much.

Tylers explanation helped though, but im still uncertain about the "pool play". Is it correct that the poolplay wont start until the open bracket is down to RO4 WB - since the pool play have players from the open bracket?

If thats the case, that means only open brackets on stream for the first hours, that seems kind of sad.

Edit: Ok, nevermind, thats just me being tired. The open bracket players will join the pool play after the top16 have played. Think i get it now, although im not sure how i feel about it.

hinnolinn

212 Posts

February 26 2011 02:28 GMT

#134

no, first page details it, pool play will be all 3 days, with every game except for open bracket players being done by Sunday. On Sunday, the undefeated open bracket players will have to go through a gauntlet and play all four other players in their group in a row, from current 4th to current 1st. So you get to see the seeded players all 3 days.

Taf the Ghost

United States11751 Posts

February 26 2011 02:32 GMT

#135

I think we could live with the Extended Series, if they just changed 1 thing: You don't come in with an Advantage. A Bo3 previous means they play a Bo5, let the winner of the first match choose the 2nd map. Give some advantage, but as a huge amount of SC2 is about maps, they really need to not give such an advantage to the person that won the first time.

Yamulo

United States2096 Posts

February 26 2011 02:33 GMT

#136

T.T so much team killing in those brackets.

WArped

United Kingdom4845 Posts

February 26 2011 02:35 GMT

#137

Woah, look at those groups, so awesome..

Corrupted

United States1255 Posts

February 26 2011 02:37 GMT

#138

Sounds brilliant and awesome for people already in the top 16. Sounds like an f'ing trainwreck for anyone not already in the top 16.

EnderCraft

United States1746 Posts

February 26 2011 02:38 GMT

#139

Extended Series. Question Mark.

setzer

United States3284 Posts

February 26 2011 02:44 GMT

#140

MLG you have to be kidding me. Do you honestly think running the extended series is the best way to move forward when the majority of people who watch your events HATES the rule? It makes no logical sense why a player who lost in the open stages has to already be down two games if he is to rematch in the championship bracket, or even the final game. It's already hard enough for the players when you force them to play a ridiculous amount of games in one day, they DON'T need the added pressure.

These type of rules MLG continues to employ makes me all the more excited for NASL: a real league run by real SC people. Keep your Halo rules away from SC. And I definitely will not be watching any of the later MLG events if they continue to have SOW, JB and BS in the map pool like the did with DO and KR.