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MLG 2011 Competition Format Changes - Page 8

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zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
February 26 2011 02:44 GMT
#141
On February 26 2011 11:33 Yamulo wrote:
T.T so much team killing in those brackets.


There can only be one!
LostBLuE
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada188 Posts
February 26 2011 02:59 GMT
#142
I can only hope for some great games and someone to simplify this in a new post( or another subway map ^^).
TLO " Well Sjow, it's almost the same prize for 2nd place " Sjow " I know, but it's more about the honor... -_- " TLO " All I care about is the honor "
Hoju
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States449 Posts
February 26 2011 03:01 GMT
#143
For all the people wondering how they're going to fit all these games in, here's the full schedule for MLG Dallas. Basically, they're going really late on Friday and a full day on Sunday to fit all the extra games in (compared to last year):

+ Show Spoiler [Full weekend schedule] +
Friday

10:30 AM - 1:30 PM Early Check-In
1:30 PM - 5:00 PM Check-In / Warm-Up
5:00 PM - 5:30 PM Welcome
5:30 PM - 6:30 PM Pools A & D Round 1
5:30 PM - 9:30 PM Open Winners Round 1
6:30 PM - 7:30 PM Pools B & C Round 1
7:30 PM - 8:30 PM Pools A & D Round 2
8:30 PM - 9:30 PM Pools B & C Round 2
9:30 PM - 10:30 PM Pools A & D Round 3
9:30 PM - 11:30 PM Open Winners Round 2
10:30 PM - 11:30 PM Pools B & C Round 3
11:30 PM - 12:30 AM Open Winners Round 3
12:30 AM - 1:30 AM Open Winners Round 4

Saturday

8:00 AM - 10:00 AM Warm-Up
10:00 AM - 12:00 PM Losers Round 1
12:00 PM - 2:00 PM Open Winners Round 5 / Losers Round 2
2:00 PM - 3:00 PM Open Winners Round 5 / Losers Round 3
3:00 PM - 4:00 PM Open Winners Round 6 / Losers Round 4
4:00 PM - 5:00 PM Losers Round 5
5:00 PM - 6:00 PM Pools A-D Round 4 / Open Losers Round 6
6:00 PM - 7:00 PM Pools A-D Round 5 / Open Losers Round 7
7:00 PM - 8:00 PM Open Losers Round 8
8:00 PM - 9:00 PM Pools A-D Round 6 / Championship Losers Round 1
9:00 PM - 10:00 PM Pools A-D Round 7 / Championship Losers Round 2

Sunday

8:00 AM - 10:00 AM Warm-Up
10:00 AM - 11:00 AM Championship Losers Round 3
11:00 AM - 12:00 PM Championship Losers Round 4
12:00 PM - 1:00 PM Championship Winners Semifinals A / Losers Round 5
1:00 PM - 2:00 PM Championship Winners Semifinals B / Losers Round 6
2:00 PM - 3:00 PM Championship Losers Round 7
3:00 PM - 4:00 PM Championship Losers Round 8
4:00 PM - 5:00 PM Championship Losers Round 9
4:30 PM - 5:30 PM Championship Winners Finals
5:30 PM - 7:00 PM Championship Losers Finals
7:00 PM - 8:30 PM Championship Finals


Friday night to Saturday looks pretty crazy for players in the open winners or who lose in open round 2 (10.5 hours between games for both groups).

Source: http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/competitions/16#event_33_schedule
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Shanlan
Profile Joined August 2010
United States41 Posts
February 26 2011 03:14 GMT
#144
The only concern I have is that the 1st place of pool play is an automatic 6th place finish, and getting past the first round of winner's bracket is an automatic 3rd place. Starting in the top 16 also means at worst you get top 24. Perhaps the top 32 should just be a double elimination bracket with extended play.

It feels like it is really hard to dislodge those already at the top.

Aside from that it is pretty fair and offers exciting games through-out the tournament.
DennizR
Profile Joined May 2007
Sweden653 Posts
February 26 2011 03:16 GMT
#145
On February 26 2011 10:49 Jibba wrote:
I actually like the format. I think it's one of the better ways to run a tournament. Having an extended series between the Open and Championship parts is not, however.


Agreed to the fullest. Will be interesting to see how the tournament turns out, but I don't see a good reason to have extended series, especially in this particular format.
jgoonld
Profile Joined November 2010
334 Posts
February 26 2011 03:23 GMT
#146
Format is great for the viewers; I'm not sure about for the players. I don't even have a problem with extended series, except for the finals. And even now, if it is BO3 finals, an extended series might be more entertaining. I hope the finals (and maybe even semi-finals) end up BO5 or 7. Yes, as some people have said, they may end up taking 2+ hours. But I'd believe that would make for a more exciting finals then the possibility of less than 20 minutes which is possible with some of the current match ups. I'm very excited for this season!
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
February 26 2011 03:27 GMT
#147
On February 26 2011 12:14 Shanlan wrote:
The only concern I have is that the 1st place of pool play is an automatic 6th place finish, and getting past the first round of winner's bracket is an automatic 3rd place. Starting in the top 16 also means at worst you get top 24. Perhaps the top 32 should just be a double elimination bracket with extended play.

It feels like it is really hard to dislodge those already at the top.

Aside from that it is pretty fair and offers exciting games through-out the tournament.

It really depends on the ranking point distributions. If the differences between 8-16 and say, 17-32 aren't that big, then there could be a lot of shifting. Remember also that there wasn't a lot of consistency in last season's tourneys, so it's quite possible for someone to get 1st one tourney and then 8th or worse the next, so the points may be closer than you think. too soon to tell, really.
Vorenius
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Denmark1979 Posts
February 26 2011 03:31 GMT
#148
On February 26 2011 09:47 darmousseh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2011 09:25 QuothTheRaven wrote:
I'm disappointed to see extended series is still around and the final is still a Bo3, but I suppose we'll just have to live with it.

Overall things are looking great for 2011; here's hoping we'll see some epic games!



Halo matches last like exactly 15 minutes each. Bo5 means at most 1 hr 15 minute finals.

Bo5 for starcraft can means 5 30 minute matches, or up to 3 hr finals.

Statistically, the odds of winning a best of 5 if you win a best of 3 is like 90%.

Except that's not exactly how MLG does it. If the guy from lower bracket win the first Bo3 they play another. So they could end up with 6 games by playing two Bo3. So it's not always gonna save time, and in the extreme cases playing Bo3 in the final actually takes more time than a single Bo5.

On the other hand you can have the guy from winners bracket win 2-0 in 20 minutes which would of course be extremely anticlimactic. Like when Idra beat Select. That was the least exciting finals I've ever seen.

I think dubble eliminationg is a cool format and I don't even really mind the extended series (especially since hearing Tyler's reasoning for liking it) but having the final constructed in this weird way can potentially leave the viewers with a very flat feeling and I don't really see the point
fatalities
Profile Joined November 2010
United States91 Posts
February 26 2011 03:38 GMT
#149
Can somebody explain the implications of the pool play part and how that works? >_> (or direct me to a post that answers that question)
monx
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada1400 Posts
February 26 2011 03:42 GMT
#150
Can't believe they didn't remove the extended series rule after all the critiques from the community. Stubborn people
I am not sure that format is better. It's gonna really exhausting for players in the long run. But the good thing is we are really gonna who are the best tournament players.

But i guess it does add some value for the viewers by having more games. Hopefully they'll have at least 2 teams of casters because i wouldn't want to cast that whole tournament.

Can't wait to hear Incontrol's and Tyler's opinion on this new format.
@ggmonx
Hunterai
Profile Joined October 2010
Thailand842 Posts
February 26 2011 03:45 GMT
#151
Holy... and I thought that GSL was confusing!?!?!?
kNightLite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States408 Posts
February 26 2011 03:47 GMT
#152
Pool play means that many more extended series will occur compared to last year.

Very disappointing changes.
Fishriot
Profile Joined May 2010
United States621 Posts
February 26 2011 04:01 GMT
#153
Ugggh extended series returns? This is very disappointing. I don't see why MLG can't just adopt the format that nearly every SC tournament has had sense the dark ages.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
February 26 2011 04:08 GMT
#154
On February 26 2011 12:47 kNightLite wrote:
Pool play means that many more extended series will occur compared to last year.

Very disappointing changes.


That's good though, Bo7 is better than Bo3 in the later rounds even if the first 2-3 games are already decided from a previous series.
Response
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States1936 Posts
February 26 2011 04:09 GMT
#155
apparently I'm in FXO and I didnt even know it T_T
the REAL ReSpOnSe
Blueblister
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden321 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-26 04:54:11
February 26 2011 04:11 GMT
#156
Could someone (OP?) please check if I've understood the simulated bracket correctly?

There's 254 open participants and 16 ranking seeds.

The ranking seeds are competing for:
- 16 spots in the final 24 (seeded 1-20 through pool play).

The open participants is competing for:
- 4 spots in the final 24 given to undefeated open players (seeded 1-20 through pool play).
- 4 spots in the final 24 given to open players with 1 loss (seeded 21-24)
- Seeds 21-24 needs 10 straight match wins to become the overall winner.
- 10 straight match wins equals winning a 1024-player knock-out tournament.
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
February 26 2011 04:11 GMT
#157
On February 26 2011 13:09 Response wrote:
apparently I'm in FXO and I didnt even know it T_T


Congrats on joining FXO
S.O.L.I.D.
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States792 Posts
February 26 2011 04:40 GMT
#158
This should be interesting, pools could be fun or just a waste of time. We'll see how it goes. It's MLG so I'm sure it will be awesome.
Corrupted
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1255 Posts
February 26 2011 04:44 GMT
#159
On February 26 2011 13:40 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:
This should be interesting, pools could be fun or just a waste of time. We'll see how it goes. It's MLG so I'm sure it will be awesome.


Or it will be f'ing terrible, but they'll wait until next season to make any adjustment whatsoever.
"MarineKing rolling double sevens there" -Artosis
Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-26 06:45:31
February 26 2011 04:51 GMT
#160
You have to wonder if MLG was trying to outgun the GSL on convoluted tournament format. I gave them some slack last year since they implemented SC2 midway through their season and just adapted rules from their other games. To see them not only complicate things further, what should be a simple double-elimination tournament but, also keep the rules that people rallied against is mind blowing.

Like others have mentioned now those that start out as top 16 are basically cemented up there since they can't get any lower than 32nd place. They are being artificially inflated since there isn't even a CHANCE of them being eliminated earlier. Great for them horrible for everybody else. I noticed Tyler mention that no one likes to see the pros stomp nubs in the first couple of rounds. While I agree with him, some of the best moments come from upsets in those early rounds.

I'm just at a loss for words though, I want MLG to succeed because I love watching SC. Seeing MLG trying to reinvent the wheel in tournament formatting is just retarded, especially if this is going to be the format of EVERY tournament.

Edit: Correction on lowest place the top 16 seed can achieve.
alot = a lot (TWO WORDS)
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