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Hoju
United States449 Posts
Given the large costs of flying overseas and hotel room, a lot of teams may think it's not worth it to send their players. I hope I'm wrong, though. | ||
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ngri
Luxembourg136 Posts
inControl missed the cut by 55 points, good luck man, at least there's upside that Machine made the cut so you won't have to play him early  Honestly though, I agree with most people this format seems so favourable for top 16 and hard to break.. Either way it should make for a fun State of the Game at least. | ||
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odder
United States405 Posts
On February 26 2011 10:04 hugman wrote: It's right there in Slasher's post The 16th seed player is EG.Machine with 975 points. 3rd place at a season event nets you 900 points. *2010 Starcraft 2 Pro Circuit Rank Points will be used as the highest priority Rank Points in seeding the Starcraft 2 Event at the 2011 Dallas Competition. After the Dallas Competition, 2011 Starcraft 2 Pro Circuit Rank Points will replace all 2010 Starcraft 2 Pro Circuit Rank Points. 2011 Starcraft 2 Pro Circuit Rank Points may be used as Rolling Rank Points in 2012. http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/competitions/16#event_33_competition_format | ||
MLG-Kyle
United States123 Posts
On February 26 2011 10:04 hugman wrote: It's right there in Slasher's post The 16th seed player is EG.Machine with 975 points. 3rd place at a season event nets you 900 points. Points from the previous Season depreciate at a certain rate. Like I said, I don't have time tonight to put the exact math together, but I know that a player who takes third place at the first Event will indeed be seeded within the Top 16. | ||
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SlapMySalami
United States1060 Posts
On February 26 2011 09:17 hmunkey wrote: I don't really see the whole issue with extended series. Yeah, if the games were held at entirely different times where training between matches mattered, it would be a problem. In MLG however, they're held in the same or next day. The problem with extended series is that if you lose the first round and have to come out of the losers bracket you have to do something ridiculous like 13-0 in your matches from there on out to win the tournament. If you win every game and get to the championship you're something like 8-0 and you have the grace of going 1-1 in the finals. That grace is earned, but why do you need to add the detriment of 4 more matches to the first loser AND then have him start off something like 0-2 in his last games. On the bright side seeding the top 16 players is pretty sick. Will the points pools ever be reset though? Or does it only include the last 12 months of MLGs into its calculations? | ||
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
On February 26 2011 10:06 Liquid`Tyler wrote: You can lose a match in the open bracket and still win the whole thing. If you don't lose a match in the open bracket, you can skip a bunch of rounds by doing well in group play. Exactly the opposite actually. Top players play each other on all 3 days. To give fans something interesting to watch instead of pros beating newbs for 2 days until you finally get worthwhile matches on the 3rd day. ..... MLG's top 16 doesn't seem particularly harder than GSL/NASL/TSL. The only difference is that MLG compresses it all into one weekend, so it does take some endurance, but it's not unreasonable. Tyler to the rescue! | ||
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JoxxOr
Sweden1502 Posts
On February 26 2011 10:06 Liquid`Tyler wrote: You can lose a match in the open bracket and still win the whole thing. If you don't lose a match in the open bracket, you can skip a bunch of rounds by doing well in group play. Exactly the opposite actually. Top players play each other on all 3 days. To give fans something interesting to watch instead of pros beating newbs for 2 days until you finally get worthwhile matches on the 3rd day. ..... MLG's top 16 doesn't seem particularly harder than GSL/NASL/TSL. The only difference is that MLG compresses it all into one weekend, so it does take some endurance, but it's not unreasonable. I think i got really confused and made a stupid and uninformed post sorry protoss legend <3. But just to make things clear: There are one open tournament and then there are one where top 16 seeded plays. The TOP 16 From Open and the 16 seeded in championship bracket will go into another bracket that where the winner from that can call themself the champion? Well that makes a lot more sense and i can see now from a spectator how that might be even more funnier to watch. However, i just cant imagine how hard it will be trying to get all those games played, one 256, one 16, and one 32 man tournament over 3 days. I cant imagine what will happen if B.Net 2.0 starts to appear and delays all the games  | ||
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OTL
313 Posts
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NonY
8748 Posts
On February 26 2011 10:16 JoxxOr wrote: I think i got really confused and made a stupid and uninformed post sorry protoss legend <3. But just to make things clear: There are one open tournament and then there are one where top 16 seeded plays. The TOP 16 From Open and the 16 seeded in championship bracket will go into another bracket that where the winner from that can call themself the champion? Well that makes a lot more sense, however i still find it quite confusing You're getting closer lol top 16 are put into 4 groups Group A: HuK (1), Jinro (8), SLush (9), Machine (16) Group B: KiWiKaKi (2), Tyler (7), qxc (10), Agh (15) Group C: TT1 (3), Drewbie (6), IdrA (11), TLO (14) Group D: SeleCt (4), PainUser (5), Socke (12), Ret (13) Open bracket is double elimination. They don't play it all the way through. They play it until there are 4 people in the upper bracket and 12 people in the lower bracket. The 4 people in the upper join the groups Group A: HuK (1), Jinro (8), SLush (9), Machine (16), Open1 Group B: KiWiKaKi (2), Tyler (7), qxc (10), Agh (15), Open2 Group C: TT1 (3), Drewbie (6), IdrA (11), TLO (14), Open3 Group D: SeleCt (4), PainUser (5), Socke (12), Ret (13), Open4 And the 12 people from the lower bracket start out a new bracket (they're in the lower bracket of this new bracket). 8 of them are in round 1, 4 of them are in round 2. In round 3 wait the 5th place players from each group. In round 4 wait the 4th place players from each group. In round 5 wait the 3rd place players from each group. In round 6 wait the 2nd place players from each group. The first place players in each group are in the upper bracket round 1. | ||
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NonY
8748 Posts
On February 26 2011 10:17 OTL wrote: This format as AWFUL; I really can't put it any nicer. I'd like to at least see some explanations on why they chose the things they did rather than saying "this is how it's going to be," when they know that a lot of the ideas they're implementing are highly unpopular. it's so you can get to see these players play each other on day 1 Group A: HuK (1), Jinro (8), SLush (9), Machine (16) Group B: KiWiKaKi (2), Tyler (7), qxc (10), Agh (15) Group C: TT1 (3), Drewbie (6), IdrA (11), TLO (14) Group D: SeleCt (4), PainUser (5), Socke (12), Ret (13) then you get to see the final rounds of the open bracket on day 2, as well as the winners of the open bracket play these players Group A: HuK (1), Jinro (8), SLush (9), Machine (16) Group B: KiWiKaKi (2), Tyler (7), qxc (10), Agh (15) Group C: TT1 (3), Drewbie (6), IdrA (11), TLO (14) Group D: SeleCt (4), PainUser (5), Socke (12), Ret (13) on day 2. then on day 3 you get to watch the championship bracket play out, where everyone is good and all the matches are interesting when you seed the top players into a bracket mixed with the open players, you are pretty much guaranteeing a ton of newb bashing on days 1-2. the top players dont want to travel to a tournament to newb bash and fans dont want to watch that. | ||
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JoxxOr
Sweden1502 Posts
On February 26 2011 10:22 Liquid`Tyler wrote: You're getting closer lol top 16 are put into 4 groups Group A: HuK (1), Jinro (8), SLush (9), Machine (16) Group B: KiWiKaKi (2), Tyler (7), qxc (10), Agh (15) Group C: TT1 (3), Drewbie (6), IdrA (11), TLO (14) Group D: SeleCt (4), PainUser (5), Socke (12), Ret (13) Open bracket is double elimination. They don't play it all the way through. They play it until there are 4 people in the upper bracket and 12 people in the lower bracket. The 4 people in the upper join the groups Group A: HuK (1), Jinro (8), SLush (9), Machine (16), Open1 Group B: KiWiKaKi (2), Tyler (7), qxc (10), Agh (15), Open2 Group C: TT1 (3), Drewbie (6), IdrA (11), TLO (14), Open3 Group D: SeleCt (4), PainUser (5), Socke (12), Ret (13), Open4 And the 12 people from the lower bracket start out a new bracket. 8 of them are in round 1, 4 of them are in round 2. In round 3 wait the 5th place players from each group. In round 4 wait the 4th place players from each group. In round 5 wait the 3rd place players from each group. In round 6 wait the 2nd place players from each group. The first place players in each group are in the upper bracket round 1. Okay i think i got it now, but man. How confusing is this....... While its true that this might be the most fair way for the players, something needs to be said from a specating view as well. I guess its just something you have to grow custom to i guess. With this format i atleast guess that the games will be better, i think the only part that will be harder is following all the different brackets, but <3 for explaining things for us mental retarted europeans | ||
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DigitalD[562]
United States80 Posts
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FishStix
United States425 Posts
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SiguR
Canada2039 Posts
I was always of the understanding that group play eliminated the need for double elimination, as those advancing from the group had multiple games to prove their worth (aka, how the GSL does Code S). | ||
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Agh
United States896 Posts
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TicketoHELL
Canada368 Posts
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
On February 26 2011 10:29 Agh wrote: still way too confused -______- Read Tylers post | ||
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Agh
United States896 Posts
didnt help, so we just play 'showmatches' for the stream on the first day? | ||
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JoxxOr
Sweden1502 Posts
On February 26 2011 10:33 Agh wrote: didnt help, so we just play 'showmatches' for the stream on the first day? No those factor into the end tourmanet where depending on how good you played there, the more rounds you can pass.... i think :D | ||
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space_yes
United States548 Posts
On February 26 2011 10:30 TicketoHELL wrote: .....i am quite confused at how the brackets work....and i actually got the gsl format first time i looked at it so....this is really complicated....what if the seeded players decide not to show up like jinro who weighs gsl over any other tournament if the schedule overlaps? It's really not that confusing. Put a modicum of effort into reading the OP. | ||
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