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MLG 2011 Competition Format Changes - Page 4

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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
February 26 2011 00:39 GMT
#61
It appears MLG didn't particularly care about the rather unanimous feedback from SC2 community. Shame.
Elite_Fury
Profile Joined November 2010
United States17 Posts
February 26 2011 00:40 GMT
#62
I love this, I don't have to see Idra facing some random in a first few rounds. I do not want a player I got to know last season losing to hijinks 2 rounds into open bracket. Spectators always get to see the well known players play each other. If you see the same people over and over, back story develops. It may not be ideal for foreigners/Koreans who aren't in the top 16, but I can deal with that.
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
February 26 2011 00:40 GMT
#63
On February 26 2011 09:19 Slasher wrote:
Maps will be announced sometime next week.


Hey Slasher whats the status of Quake in MLG? Sundance already told me he had a couple meetings with id already.
Blondinbengt
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden578 Posts
February 26 2011 00:40 GMT
#64
It kind of feels like MLG is trying to have an entire season of code A+S in one weekend and I really think this tournament structure will make it really unattractive for euros/koreans.
JoxxOr
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Sweden1502 Posts
February 26 2011 00:41 GMT
#65
On February 26 2011 09:35 Doraemon.doraemon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2011 09:31 JoxxOr wrote:
This really fuck up europeans/koreans who wants to go to MLG. Seriously, we have to enter a 256 man tournament where if we're undefeated can enter another 16 man tournament where we possibly can win some money. It almost feels like rolling a dice. I can also imagine how boring it will be from a spectator view watching these games...

Confusing, stupid and just.... like what purpose does this serve? While this might help getting better players into top brackets and giving us some better game in the end. It can also be solved by seeds, allowing top tier players facing newbs with no ranking points..... Like what the hell MLG.

Slasher you've been watching/participating/reporting esport for ages, cant you understand how stupid this sounds?


won't be boring for spectators as the top 16 will play each other right away while the open bracket is going on...

but it is indeed very difficult to crack the top as a new comer with no points

Well then no one will care about the 256 and only championship bracket. Like seriously, why not do an open double elim bracket where past players get seeded high and face people who arent seeded...

If they are truly the best ,then the should beat non-seeded players easy...
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godemperor
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium2043 Posts
February 26 2011 00:41 GMT
#66
On February 26 2011 09:40 Blondinbengt wrote:
It kind of feels like MLG is trying to have an entire season of code A+S in one weekend and I really think this tournament structure will make it really unattractive for euros/koreans.

My thoughts exactly, the number of game a player needs to play in a day to get into the championship is insane.
MythicalMage
Profile Joined May 2010
1360 Posts
February 26 2011 00:42 GMT
#67
On February 26 2011 09:41 JoxxOr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2011 09:35 Doraemon.doraemon wrote:
On February 26 2011 09:31 JoxxOr wrote:
This really fuck up europeans/koreans who wants to go to MLG. Seriously, we have to enter a 256 man tournament where if we're undefeated can enter another 16 man tournament where we possibly can win some money. It almost feels like rolling a dice. I can also imagine how boring it will be from a spectator view watching these games...

Confusing, stupid and just.... like what purpose does this serve? While this might help getting better players into top brackets and giving us some better game in the end. It can also be solved by seeds, allowing top tier players facing newbs with no ranking points..... Like what the hell MLG.

Slasher you've been watching/participating/reporting esport for ages, cant you understand how stupid this sounds?


won't be boring for spectators as the top 16 will play each other right away while the open bracket is going on...

but it is indeed very difficult to crack the top as a new comer with no points

Well then no one will care about the 256 and only championship bracket. Like seriously, why not do an open double elim bracket where past players get seeded high and face people who arent seeded...

If they are truly the best ,then the should beat non-seeded players easy...

Yep. Some of my favorite games were seeing the randoms do well and the like. Guess they'll be none of that anymore.
Harbinger631
Profile Joined September 2010
United States376 Posts
February 26 2011 00:42 GMT
#68
I like the new format. It means I won't have to watch my favorite players wade through cheesy games and noobs. Seeding is vital too for any competitive experience.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-26 00:44:35
February 26 2011 00:43 GMT
#69
On February 26 2011 09:41 JoxxOr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2011 09:35 Doraemon.doraemon wrote:
On February 26 2011 09:31 JoxxOr wrote:
This really fuck up europeans/koreans who wants to go to MLG. Seriously, we have to enter a 256 man tournament where if we're undefeated can enter another 16 man tournament where we possibly can win some money. It almost feels like rolling a dice. I can also imagine how boring it will be from a spectator view watching these games...

Confusing, stupid and just.... like what purpose does this serve? While this might help getting better players into top brackets and giving us some better game in the end. It can also be solved by seeds, allowing top tier players facing newbs with no ranking points..... Like what the hell MLG.

Slasher you've been watching/participating/reporting esport for ages, cant you understand how stupid this sounds?


won't be boring for spectators as the top 16 will play each other right away while the open bracket is going on...

but it is indeed very difficult to crack the top as a new comer with no points

Well then no one will care about the 256 and only championship bracket. Like seriously, why not do an open double elim bracket where past players get seeded high and face people who arent seeded...

If they are truly the best ,then the should beat non-seeded players easy...


You're not supposed to care about the open bracket early rounds. The open bracket early rounds by their nature will have a lot of people who aren't of high quality that nobody will really want to watch. So instead you shift your focus elsewhere.

I like the format a decent amount, don't love it. My bigger issue is the handling of seeds after only 1/2 of a season. I mean, it would take a full season, but at the same time I don't think they want to sit with their hands in their pockets another year waiting for things to get sorted out.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
February 26 2011 00:44 GMT
#70
I really thought MLG wanted Koreans and Europeans to participate in the tournament. With the tournament structure, it gives less incentive from people who are not in the top 16 to participate in MLG.
Don't mind me
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-26 00:48:21
February 26 2011 00:45 GMT
#71
On February 26 2011 09:04 Slasher wrote:
If two teams meet in the Championship Bracket after meeting in the Open Bracket, they will play an extended series


Was this copy pasted from the Halo rules?

No but seriously, I don't like this system. Being one of the top16 players is a huge advantage.The distinction between the 16th ranked player and the 17th ranked player is almost non-existent, but the 16th ranked player will, with almost absolute certainty, do much better in the tournament. It's not competition on an even footing, so I don't like it. The whole point of competing is that you do it in a fair way, where the same rules applies to everyone. If you are the best then you will win. You shouldn't get better results because the tournament favoured you.

When you seed someone that's not changing the terms on which you compete, but when you say that this player has ton win 10 games more to win the tournament then the accomplishment of winning is not equal for everyone. It's like if the reigning champion got an extra life in the tournament, just 'cause. It's silly.


On February 26 2011 09:04 Slasher wrote:

Both games will feature Open Brackets, Pool Play, and a Championship Bracket. The only major difference between the two is that StarCraft 2 will feature a best-of-three series in all portions of the tournament, while Halo: Reach will feature a best-of-three Open Bracket and a best-of-five Championship Bracket.


Including finals? What about pool play? There you explicitly stated Bo5
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
February 26 2011 00:45 GMT
#72
On February 26 2011 09:43 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2011 09:41 JoxxOr wrote:
On February 26 2011 09:35 Doraemon.doraemon wrote:
On February 26 2011 09:31 JoxxOr wrote:
This really fuck up europeans/koreans who wants to go to MLG. Seriously, we have to enter a 256 man tournament where if we're undefeated can enter another 16 man tournament where we possibly can win some money. It almost feels like rolling a dice. I can also imagine how boring it will be from a spectator view watching these games...

Confusing, stupid and just.... like what purpose does this serve? While this might help getting better players into top brackets and giving us some better game in the end. It can also be solved by seeds, allowing top tier players facing newbs with no ranking points..... Like what the hell MLG.

Slasher you've been watching/participating/reporting esport for ages, cant you understand how stupid this sounds?


won't be boring for spectators as the top 16 will play each other right away while the open bracket is going on...

but it is indeed very difficult to crack the top as a new comer with no points

Well then no one will care about the 256 and only championship bracket. Like seriously, why not do an open double elim bracket where past players get seeded high and face people who arent seeded...

If they are truly the best ,then the should beat non-seeded players easy...


You're not supposed to care about the open bracket early rounds. The open bracket early rounds by their nature will have a lot of people who aren't of high quality that nobody will really want to watch. So instead you shift your focus elsewhere.

I like the format a decent amount, don't love it. My bigger issue is the handling of seeds after only 1/2 of a season. I mean, it would take a full season, but at the same time I don't think they want to sit with their hands in their pockets another year waiting for things to get sorted out.


Yeah, but this also means top level Europeans and Koreans will not participate in MLG due to the unfavored nature of the Open Bracket.
Don't mind me
mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
February 26 2011 00:45 GMT
#73
On February 26 2011 09:26 Arch00 wrote:
This kind of sucks, I'm going to MLG Dallas this year and I was looking forward to getting destroyed by the top players in my first two series. Now the top 16 get byes? Blah


I would imagine there are other great players there to destroy you
We talkin about PRACTICE
MythicalMage
Profile Joined May 2010
1360 Posts
February 26 2011 00:46 GMT
#74
On February 26 2011 09:42 Harbinger631 wrote:
I like the new format. It means I won't have to watch my favorite players wade through cheesy games and noobs. Seeding is vital too for any competitive experience.

Seeding? Sure. Excluding the vast majority of people at the tournament? I beg to differ.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
February 26 2011 00:46 GMT
#75
On February 26 2011 09:45 ptbl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2011 09:43 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On February 26 2011 09:41 JoxxOr wrote:
On February 26 2011 09:35 Doraemon.doraemon wrote:
On February 26 2011 09:31 JoxxOr wrote:
This really fuck up europeans/koreans who wants to go to MLG. Seriously, we have to enter a 256 man tournament where if we're undefeated can enter another 16 man tournament where we possibly can win some money. It almost feels like rolling a dice. I can also imagine how boring it will be from a spectator view watching these games...

Confusing, stupid and just.... like what purpose does this serve? While this might help getting better players into top brackets and giving us some better game in the end. It can also be solved by seeds, allowing top tier players facing newbs with no ranking points..... Like what the hell MLG.

Slasher you've been watching/participating/reporting esport for ages, cant you understand how stupid this sounds?


won't be boring for spectators as the top 16 will play each other right away while the open bracket is going on...

but it is indeed very difficult to crack the top as a new comer with no points

Well then no one will care about the 256 and only championship bracket. Like seriously, why not do an open double elim bracket where past players get seeded high and face people who arent seeded...

If they are truly the best ,then the should beat non-seeded players easy...


You're not supposed to care about the open bracket early rounds. The open bracket early rounds by their nature will have a lot of people who aren't of high quality that nobody will really want to watch. So instead you shift your focus elsewhere.

I like the format a decent amount, don't love it. My bigger issue is the handling of seeds after only 1/2 of a season. I mean, it would take a full season, but at the same time I don't think they want to sit with their hands in their pockets another year waiting for things to get sorted out.


Yeah, but this also means top level Europeans and Koreans will not participate in MLG due to the unfavored nature of the Open Bracket.


Don't look at it as a hinderance, instead just look at it as a gigantic open bracket. They still have to play through an open bracket whether it's this format or the old format. The only difference is that some of their opponents wont have to. It's not much more of a gamble than it was before.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
February 26 2011 00:47 GMT
#76
On February 26 2011 09:25 QuothTheRaven wrote:
I'm disappointed to see extended series is still around and the final is still a Bo3, but I suppose we'll just have to live with it.

Overall things are looking great for 2011; here's hoping we'll see some epic games!



Halo matches last like exactly 15 minutes each. Bo5 means at most 1 hr 15 minute finals.

Bo5 for starcraft can means 5 30 minute matches, or up to 3 hr finals.

Statistically, the odds of winning a best of 5 if you win a best of 3 is like 90%.
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Castrophy
Profile Joined November 2010
United States232 Posts
February 26 2011 00:48 GMT
#77
Anyone else excited to see group A play. Holy crap that is one stacked group of players.
Doraemon.doraemon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States335 Posts
February 26 2011 00:48 GMT
#78
On February 26 2011 09:41 JoxxOr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2011 09:35 Doraemon.doraemon wrote:
On February 26 2011 09:31 JoxxOr wrote:
This really fuck up europeans/koreans who wants to go to MLG. Seriously, we have to enter a 256 man tournament where if we're undefeated can enter another 16 man tournament where we possibly can win some money. It almost feels like rolling a dice. I can also imagine how boring it will be from a spectator view watching these games...

Confusing, stupid and just.... like what purpose does this serve? While this might help getting better players into top brackets and giving us some better game in the end. It can also be solved by seeds, allowing top tier players facing newbs with no ranking points..... Like what the hell MLG.

Slasher you've been watching/participating/reporting esport for ages, cant you understand how stupid this sounds?


won't be boring for spectators as the top 16 will play each other right away while the open bracket is going on...

but it is indeed very difficult to crack the top as a new comer with no points

Well then no one will care about the 256 and only championship bracket. Like seriously, why not do an open double elim bracket where past players get seeded high and face people who arent seeded...

If they are truly the best ,then the should beat non-seeded players easy...


well if the nonseeded player truly deserve to be in the championship round, he will get there right?

it's the samething as the GSL protecting their top 16 code S players...

i kinda like this format... but to each his own... i like the fact i don't have to wait out the first hour or 2 of the MLG cuz either it's noob vs noob or a pro completely rolling a noob...

(when i say noob, they are all way better than me)
MythicalMage
Profile Joined May 2010
1360 Posts
February 26 2011 00:51 GMT
#79
On February 26 2011 09:48 Doraemon.doraemon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2011 09:41 JoxxOr wrote:
On February 26 2011 09:35 Doraemon.doraemon wrote:
On February 26 2011 09:31 JoxxOr wrote:
This really fuck up europeans/koreans who wants to go to MLG. Seriously, we have to enter a 256 man tournament where if we're undefeated can enter another 16 man tournament where we possibly can win some money. It almost feels like rolling a dice. I can also imagine how boring it will be from a spectator view watching these games...

Confusing, stupid and just.... like what purpose does this serve? While this might help getting better players into top brackets and giving us some better game in the end. It can also be solved by seeds, allowing top tier players facing newbs with no ranking points..... Like what the hell MLG.

Slasher you've been watching/participating/reporting esport for ages, cant you understand how stupid this sounds?


won't be boring for spectators as the top 16 will play each other right away while the open bracket is going on...

but it is indeed very difficult to crack the top as a new comer with no points

Well then no one will care about the 256 and only championship bracket. Like seriously, why not do an open double elim bracket where past players get seeded high and face people who arent seeded...

If they are truly the best ,then the should beat non-seeded players easy...


well if the nonseeded player truly deserve to be in the championship round, he will get there right?

it's the samething as the GSL protecting their top 16 code S players...

i kinda like this format... but to each his own... i like the fact i don't have to wait out the first hour or 2 of the MLG cuz either it's noob vs noob or a pro completely rolling a noob...

(when i say noob, they are all way better than me)

It's a DRASTICALLY unfair advantage given to seeded players, just due to the number of games they don't have to play. And unlike GSL there's no up and down match system, and it's not in groups either.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
February 26 2011 00:53 GMT
#80
On February 26 2011 09:47 darmousseh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2011 09:25 QuothTheRaven wrote:
I'm disappointed to see extended series is still around and the final is still a Bo3, but I suppose we'll just have to live with it.

Overall things are looking great for 2011; here's hoping we'll see some epic games!



Halo matches last like exactly 15 minutes each. Bo5 means at most 1 hr 15 minute finals.

Bo5 for starcraft can means 5 30 minute matches, or up to 3 hr finals.

Statistically, the odds of winning a best of 5 if you win a best of 3 is like 90%.

You really have to provide a reliable source if you want to play the statistics card.
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