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MLG 2011 Competition Format Changes - Page 3

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FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
February 26 2011 00:26 GMT
#41
On February 26 2011 09:09 Hoju wrote:
This just shows that MLG wants to top the GSL....

in complexity


if the halo people understand it, we can too!

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Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
February 26 2011 00:26 GMT
#42
Both games will feature Open Brackets, Pool Play, and a Championship Bracket. The only major difference between the two is that StarCraft 2 will feature a best-of-three series in all portions of the tournament,


Am I reading this correctly? even the finals will be bo3 unless they're an extended bo7?
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Arch00
Profile Joined July 2010
United States233 Posts
February 26 2011 00:26 GMT
#43
This kind of sucks, I'm going to MLG Dallas this year and I was looking forward to getting destroyed by the top players in my first two series. Now the top 16 get byes? Blah
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QuothTheRaven
Profile Joined December 2008
United States5524 Posts
February 26 2011 00:27 GMT
#44
On February 26 2011 09:26 Antoine wrote:
Show nested quote +
Both games will feature Open Brackets, Pool Play, and a Championship Bracket. The only major difference between the two is that StarCraft 2 will feature a best-of-three series in all portions of the tournament,


Am I reading this correctly? even the finals will be bo3 unless they're an extended bo7?

That appears to be correct

It's especially surprising given that Halo has a Bo5 finals, and MLG seems to want to copy everything about the sc2 format from Halo.

(It was that way last season too.)
. . . nevermore
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-26 00:30:20
February 26 2011 00:28 GMT
#45
Ok, so you start out with 256 players in the Open tournament.

How many of those advance into the Championship Bracket, to be added to the 16 seeds? 4? 12? 16?

What's the point of pool play? How many games are those on top? Will only the Championship 32 man bracket be televised?

so confused



Bo3 finals and extended series being back. Sigh.
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
February 26 2011 00:29 GMT
#46
Bo3 finals? Not a fan of that. I don't understand this at all. Really, this whole format is so confusing in general, but I guess I'll just have to get used to it. After time I (think I) understand the GSL format so eventually I'll understand this.
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Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
February 26 2011 00:30 GMT
#47
Uh.....they do realize that a BO3 in SC2 can last as long as 2 hours, and no I'm not suggesting a BO1 format in the open bracket, but this isn't halo, you won't be able to finish an open bracket and a championship bracket in one weekend.
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godemperor
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium2043 Posts
February 26 2011 00:31 GMT
#48
Finals as Bo3, extended series and only casting a small proportion of all the matches...MLG i thought you could change. Hopefully you wont disappoint me again with map selections.
JoxxOr
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Sweden1502 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-26 00:33:10
February 26 2011 00:31 GMT
#49
This really fuck up europeans/koreans who wants to go to MLG. Seriously, we have to enter a 256 man tournament where if we're undefeated can enter another 16 man tournament where we possibly can win some money. It almost feels like rolling a dice. I can also imagine how boring it will be from a spectator view watching these games...

Confusing, stupid and just.... like what purpose does this serve? While this might help getting better players into top brackets and giving us some better game in the end. It can also be solved by seeds, allowing top tier players facing newbs with no ranking points..... Like what the hell MLG.

Slasher you've been watching/participating/reporting esport for ages, cant you understand how stupid this sounds?
Gör om, gör rätt
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
February 26 2011 00:32 GMT
#50
The finals will be a best of three? Am I hearing this right? Wow...Also, the 16 people in the championship will have a huge advantage coming into the tournament. With 5 liquid players, I'm confident to say that the next champion will come from TL.
Don't mind me
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
February 26 2011 00:32 GMT
#51
On February 26 2011 09:23 MLG-Lies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2011 09:19 Redox wrote:
I dont like this as it becomes extremely difficult for newcomers to get into the championship bracket. For my taste it should be at least half of players in the championship bracket coming from the open bracket. That way the point leaders would still have a huge advantage.
With a nearly closed system like this it becomes quite unattractive for players from abroad or far away places in the USA to travel to a MLG if the are not in the TOP 16.

I do like the group stage with bo3 though. Also the new extended series as it is now makes at least some sense.

On February 26 2011 09:19 imPERSONater wrote:
lololol the extended series stayed in. You can't fault them for sticking to their guns! It will be great anyway, just a minor detail in a solid event. American SC2 fighting!!!!!

Nope, its much less retarded now than it was before.



The Championship Bracket features 32 total players. Yes, only four have a chance to get into Pool Play, but the other 12 players who advanced from the Open Bracket with a loss are placed into the Championship Losers Bracket.

Thanks, I overread that there is a loser bracket. That is somewhat better then. nd it means there will be a shitload of games. :D
But still its quite difficult for new players that are not in the TOP16. And the people that are already in have MUCH better chances of making points and thereby staying in TOP16.
But I guess its part of your concept to have a pool of known players that we see every tournament.
Off-season = best season
Corrupted
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1255 Posts
February 26 2011 00:33 GMT
#52
Gotta say...these sound pretty awful.
Your tournament, your rules though. Good luck with it.
"MarineKing rolling double sevens there" -Artosis
Weasel-
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada1556 Posts
February 26 2011 00:34 GMT
#53
Lol this is pretty ridiculous. You're leaving in double elimination AND extended series, and grossly overcomplicating the whole deal.

I can't see how seeding 16 players and leaving "the rest" to play in a gigantic open tournament is going to be exciting to watch in the early rounds. Previous MLGs were fun and exciting and filled with big matches right from the first round, I don't see that happening here.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
February 26 2011 00:35 GMT
#54
On February 26 2011 09:32 ptbl wrote:
The finals will be a best of three? Am I hearing this right? Wow...Also, the 16 people in the championship will have a huge advantage coming into the tournament. With 5 liquid players, I'm confident to say that the next champion will come from TL.

Where did you read finals bo3? No way it will be like that.
Also in the section about extended series they talk about what happens to extended bo5 series.
Off-season = best season
Doraemon.doraemon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States335 Posts
February 26 2011 00:35 GMT
#55
On February 26 2011 09:31 JoxxOr wrote:
This really fuck up europeans/koreans who wants to go to MLG. Seriously, we have to enter a 256 man tournament where if we're undefeated can enter another 16 man tournament where we possibly can win some money. It almost feels like rolling a dice. I can also imagine how boring it will be from a spectator view watching these games...

Confusing, stupid and just.... like what purpose does this serve? While this might help getting better players into top brackets and giving us some better game in the end. It can also be solved by seeds, allowing top tier players facing newbs with no ranking points..... Like what the hell MLG.

Slasher you've been watching/participating/reporting esport for ages, cant you understand how stupid this sounds?


won't be boring for spectators as the top 16 will play each other right away while the open bracket is going on...

but it is indeed very difficult to crack the top as a new comer with no points
MythicalMage
Profile Joined May 2010
1360 Posts
February 26 2011 00:35 GMT
#56
Isn't Agh on LG too?
godemperor
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium2043 Posts
February 26 2011 00:36 GMT
#57
On February 26 2011 09:35 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2011 09:32 ptbl wrote:
The finals will be a best of three? Am I hearing this right? Wow...Also, the 16 people in the championship will have a huge advantage coming into the tournament. With 5 liquid players, I'm confident to say that the next champion will come from TL.

Where did you read finals bo3? No way it will be like that.
Also in the section about extended series they talk about what happens to extended bo5 series.


Both games will feature Open Brackets, Pool Play, and a Championship Bracket. The only major difference between the two is that StarCraft 2 will feature a best-of-three series in all portions of the tournament,

MythicalMage
Profile Joined May 2010
1360 Posts
February 26 2011 00:38 GMT
#58
On February 26 2011 09:34 Weasel- wrote:
Lol this is pretty ridiculous. You're leaving in double elimination AND extended series, and grossly overcomplicating the whole deal.

I can't see how seeding 16 players and leaving "the rest" to play in a gigantic open tournament is going to be exciting to watch in the early rounds. Previous MLGs were fun and exciting and filled with big matches right from the first round, I don't see that happening here.

Because a Group with Huk AND Jinro won't be exciting. The loss of excitement will be that players like Agh won't be there to stir things up. It's effectively a top 16 only club. They'll likely not even cast the lower games.
KillerDucky
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States498 Posts
February 26 2011 00:38 GMT
#59
Here is a more condensed version of this rather than a huge fully drawn bracket:


Open Open
Winners Losers
Bracket Bracket
1 256
2 128 1 128 -- 128 W1 losers
2 128 -- 64 L1 winners vs 64 W2 losers
3 64 3 64 -- 64 L2 winners
4 64 -- 32 L3 winners vs 32 W3 losers
4 32 5 32 -- 32 L4 winners
6 32 -- 16 L5 winners vs 16 W4 losers
5 16 7 16 -- 16 L6 winners
8 16 -- 8 L7 winners vs 8 W5 losers
6 8 9 8 -- 8 L8 winners (aka L1)
10 8 -- 4 L9 winners vs 4 L6 losers (aka L2)

Pool play -- 16 seeds + 4 W6 winners

11 8 -- 4 L10 winners vs 5th Place from Pools (aka L3)
12 8 -- 4 L11 winners vs 4th Place from Pools
13 8 -- 4 L12 winners vs 3rd Place from Pools
14 8 -- 4 L13 winners vs 2nd Place from Pools
1 4 15 4 -- 4 L14 winners
16 4 -- 2 L15 winners vs 2 WB Semis losers
2 2 17 2 -- 2 L16 winners
18 2 -- 1 L17 winner vs 1 WB Finals loser

Grand Final -- L18 winner vs Pool winners champ


If you start in the open and win 6 straight rounds, you get to the Pool Play with the top 16 seeds.

If you start in the open and lose at some point, you need to keep winning and when you reach losers round 11 (MLG calls this L3), you start playing the Pool play people, starting from 5th, working up to 2nd, etc.
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Raelgar
Profile Joined February 2011
104 Posts
February 26 2011 00:38 GMT
#60
way too complicated they should have kept the double elimination format and no seeds
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