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ithree
Profile Joined January 2010
443 Posts
February 26 2011 00:55 GMT
#81
I'm beginning to think the only reason extended series is still there is just an advertising ploy, makes sure any MLG post gets plenty of replies


'Nazgul HWIGHTING !
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
February 26 2011 00:55 GMT
#82
If a new player came to the next MLG event, went through the Open Bracket and placed 3rd overall in the tournament he or she would still not be seeded into the Championship Bracket at the next event. That is crazy. I think the history of past performance goes back way too far. In SC2 you are only as good as you are right now, not as good as you were 3 months ago, not as good as you were a year ago.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
February 26 2011 00:56 GMT
#83
I really like this format. As much as some people say that it doesn't address the issues that people had with the old format, I think that its actually a pretty good compromise. Maybe I just like complicated formats though. :X We'll see how it all turns out.
N3rV[Green]
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1935 Posts
February 26 2011 00:56 GMT
#84
People actually liked extended series? WTF.

I am pretty damn disappointed MLG....I have no idea how on earth you could think that it's a good idea.

Each set is an isolated event. What happened yesterday shouldn't matter today, and 20 other things.
Never fear the darkness, Bran. The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk. Darkness will make you strong.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10050 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-26 01:02:49
February 26 2011 00:58 GMT
#85
wtf is this shit i just want to play the gamez
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
Domination
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1177 Posts
February 26 2011 00:58 GMT
#86
On February 26 2011 09:53 Telcontar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2011 09:47 darmousseh wrote:
On February 26 2011 09:25 QuothTheRaven wrote:
I'm disappointed to see extended series is still around and the final is still a Bo3, but I suppose we'll just have to live with it.

Overall things are looking great for 2011; here's hoping we'll see some epic games!



Halo matches last like exactly 15 minutes each. Bo5 means at most 1 hr 15 minute finals.

Bo5 for starcraft can means 5 30 minute matches, or up to 3 hr finals.

Statistically, the odds of winning a best of 5 if you win a best of 3 is like 90%.

You really have to provide a reliable source if you want to play the statistics card.

The average time in GSL4 ro32 (so before the newer larger maps were put into the pool) was 12 minutes.

Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=182992
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
February 26 2011 01:00 GMT
#87
Just wait for MLG to release their Bracket show, It'll explain the formats better.
MLG-Kyle
Profile Joined November 2010
United States123 Posts
February 26 2011 01:01 GMT
#88
On February 26 2011 09:55 hugman wrote:
If a new player came to the next MLG event, went through the Open Bracket and placed 3rd overall in the tournament he or she would still not be seeded into the Championship Bracket at the next event. That is crazy. I think the history of past performance goes back way too far. In SC2 you are only as good as you are right now, not as good as you were 3 months ago, not as good as you were a year ago.


I don't have the time to put math together to dispute this with numbers, but I know for a fact that's false.
Azuroz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden1630 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-26 01:02:00
February 26 2011 01:01 GMT
#89
On February 26 2011 09:55 hugman wrote:
I think the history of past performance goes back way too far. In SC2 you are only as good as you are right now, not as good as you were 3 months ago, not as good as you were a year ago.


This is exactly my thoughts aswell.
Who dosnt love new people making it?
Team NSHoseo <3
Sceptor87
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada266 Posts
February 26 2011 01:02 GMT
#90
Seems to me that there are too many parallels between the rules for Halo and SC2. I can somewhat understand homogenization when it comes to a promotion, and particularly if the games are in the same genre, but Halo and SC are the same as a steak to a '59 Ford.

I particularly remember a quote from MLGLee on the SOTG podcast, and I can't quite quote it verbatim, but the gist of it was that they shouldn't use the rule set that has been around for years that other promotions and such use or used because some of them went defunct.

I'm genuinely interested how many RTS games they ran over the years. If I'm correct SC2 is the first and only so far. Every other thing has been a shooter or a fighter with exception to WoW.

I'm not going to discuss it further, but seeing them get flak for the rule set last year and seeing that the things that people particularly complained about carry over to this year seems rather ignorant. But whatever. Either people will bitch and it won't change or people will bitch and it will change. There's no door number 3 here.
Standard,
mdma-_-
Profile Joined October 2010
Nauru1213 Posts
February 26 2011 01:02 GMT
#91
seed 17 has to play 13-20 bo3s to win.
seed 16 has to play 7-13 bo3s to win.

yeah, that doesnt make a lot of sense. Advantage is way to big for seeded players.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
February 26 2011 01:02 GMT
#92
In theory the amount of games played by the people in pool-play is nice, it means that you don't get a high placement because you got a somewhat easy bracket in a double elim tournament, but extent to which it penalises new players is just too great. This feels more like a league structure than an event structure, and maybe that's what MLG envisions it as, but I think most of us spectators think of MLG events as separate events.
SlapMySalami
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1060 Posts
February 26 2011 01:03 GMT
#93
man when i opened this i thought extended series would be gone
marineking will u huk my bigtt1 ilu
VAR1ABLES
Profile Joined March 2010
United States29 Posts
February 26 2011 01:03 GMT
#94
Sundance said that they listened to the starcraft community about their rules. Apparently not.

NOBODY I'VE EVER TALKED TO OUTSIDE OF THE HALO COMMUNITY HAS EVER LIKED THE EXTENDED SERIES.

Well it shows real class to not give a crap about the opinions of the players in your events.
Ne Obliviscaris
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
February 26 2011 01:04 GMT
#95
On February 26 2011 10:01 MLG-Lies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2011 09:55 hugman wrote:
If a new player came to the next MLG event, went through the Open Bracket and placed 3rd overall in the tournament he or she would still not be seeded into the Championship Bracket at the next event. That is crazy. I think the history of past performance goes back way too far. In SC2 you are only as good as you are right now, not as good as you were 3 months ago, not as good as you were a year ago.


I don't have the time to put math together to dispute this with numbers, but I know for a fact that's false.


It's right there in Slasher's post
The 16th seed player is EG.Machine with 975 points. 3rd place at a season event nets you 900 points.
Elite_Fury
Profile Joined November 2010
United States17 Posts
February 26 2011 01:05 GMT
#96
On February 26 2011 09:56 N3rV[Green] wrote:
People actually liked extended series? WTF.

I am pretty damn disappointed MLG....I have no idea how on earth you could think that it's a good idea.

Each set is an isolated event. What happened yesterday shouldn't matter today, and 20 other things.



I really don't understand why your still bitter about this. They announced over a month ago that they weren't going to change it (State of the Game). I think you make a big deal out of something that in the grand scheme of things isn't. I mean it isn't as bad as the BO1 coinflips scenario at a certain European tournament. By the way the player that is best on the most maps will win, regardless of map order.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
February 26 2011 01:06 GMT
#97
On February 26 2011 09:31 JoxxOr wrote:
This really fuck up europeans/koreans who wants to go to MLG. Seriously, we have to enter a 256 man tournament where if we're undefeated can enter another 16 man tournament where we possibly can win some money. It almost feels like rolling a dice.

You can lose a match in the open bracket and still win the whole thing.

If you don't lose a match in the open bracket, you can skip a bunch of rounds by doing well in group play.

I can also imagine how boring it will be from a spectator view watching these games...

Exactly the opposite actually. Top players play each other on all 3 days.

Confusing, stupid and just.... like what purpose does this serve?

To give fans something interesting to watch instead of pros beating newbs for 2 days until you finally get worthwhile matches on the 3rd day.

While this might help getting better players into top brackets and giving us some better game in the end. It can also be solved by seeds, allowing top tier players facing newbs with no ranking points..... Like what the hell MLG.

.....

MLG's top 16 doesn't seem particularly harder than GSL/NASL/TSL. The only difference is that MLG compresses it all into one weekend, so it does take some endurance, but it's not unreasonable.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
ihavetofartosis
Profile Joined January 2011
1277 Posts
February 26 2011 01:06 GMT
#98
LOL bo3 finals

MLG shows once again that they don't care about the SC community feedback.

Two games deciding the champion = retarded
KillerDucky
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States498 Posts
February 26 2011 01:06 GMT
#99
Only 56% of teamliquid voted against extended series.

http://www.teamliquid.net/poll/index.php?poll_id=468
MarineKingPrime Forever!
JoxxOr
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Sweden1502 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-26 01:09:09
February 26 2011 01:07 GMT
#100
On February 26 2011 09:48 Doraemon.doraemon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2011 09:41 JoxxOr wrote:
On February 26 2011 09:35 Doraemon.doraemon wrote:
On February 26 2011 09:31 JoxxOr wrote:
This really fuck up europeans/koreans who wants to go to MLG. Seriously, we have to enter a 256 man tournament where if we're undefeated can enter another 16 man tournament where we possibly can win some money. It almost feels like rolling a dice. I can also imagine how boring it will be from a spectator view watching these games...

Confusing, stupid and just.... like what purpose does this serve? While this might help getting better players into top brackets and giving us some better game in the end. It can also be solved by seeds, allowing top tier players facing newbs with no ranking points..... Like what the hell MLG.

Slasher you've been watching/participating/reporting esport for ages, cant you understand how stupid this sounds?


won't be boring for spectators as the top 16 will play each other right away while the open bracket is going on...

but it is indeed very difficult to crack the top as a new comer with no points

Well then no one will care about the 256 and only championship bracket. Like seriously, why not do an open double elim bracket where past players get seeded high and face people who arent seeded...

If they are truly the best ,then the should beat non-seeded players easy...


well if the nonseeded player truly deserve to be in the championship round, he will get there right?

it's the samething as the GSL protecting their top 16 code S players...

i kinda like this format... but to each his own... i like the fact i don't have to wait out the first hour or 2 of the MLG cuz either it's noob vs noob or a pro completely rolling a noob...

(when i say noob, they are all way better than me)


edit: Might not understood shit, will repost if im just stupid, sorry
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