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TLnet Poll - Do you like MLG's extended series rule?

Do you like MLG's extended series rule? :

No (4589)56%
Yes (2007)24%
Undecided (1613)20%

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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
December 01 2010 05:26 GMT
#1
The extended series rule is as follows:

Player L plays Player W in the first round. W beats L 2-1, sending him into the loser's bracket. In a later round of the loser's bracket, W and L meet again. In a typical double-elimination tournament, this would be a standard best of 3. However, in an extended series rule, player L will enter a bo7 rule down 2-1.
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Manlot
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Mexico111 Posts
December 01 2010 05:28 GMT
#2
No it is not designed for Starcraft and it should be changed.
ffz
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States490 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 05:29:38
December 01 2010 05:28 GMT
#3
It worked in halo! EL OH EL and MLG is best tourney in NA so they must be right!
Meow.
let_FLY
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
80 Posts
December 01 2010 05:32 GMT
#4
wonder where the idea for this came from :X
xaeiu
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
432 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 09:32:41
December 01 2010 05:35 GMT
#5
am i doing the maths here right?
it's actually just a slightly tougher position for player L since he has now to win 3 instead of 2 sets, so just one more in the exbo7 than in the usual bo3. W has to win either way 2 sets, right? so nothing changes for him.
Arco
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2090 Posts
December 01 2010 05:44 GMT
#6
Starcraft and extended series don't belong in the same sentence.

Get rid of this crappy rule ASAP, it would be completely unacceptable to keep it in the rules. Almost mind boggling who is pulling the strings at MLG.

Why can't they hire rule admins that know stuff about games they admin?
ZapRoffo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5544 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 05:50:42
December 01 2010 05:47 GMT
#7
I don't like double elimination as a viewer, so I don't like this as part of that, although if we have to have double elimination, idc either way.

It makes the finals anticlimactic (with or without extended series, the finals are not fun when one person has a big advantage) and the tournament hard to follow.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
December 01 2010 05:48 GMT
#8
At first I thought this rule was the most garbage EVER...made absolutely NO SENSE. AFter hearing tyler's argument, he is right. Having the extended series produces an overall better ranking and therefore Im going to vote FOR IT

go math
Jaedong :3
SadStarcraft
Profile Joined August 2010
Mexico56 Posts
December 01 2010 05:49 GMT
#9
wtf kind of vote is undecided, if you dont know what you want to vote for then dont vote
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
December 01 2010 05:50 GMT
#10
On December 01 2010 14:48 ReketSomething wrote:
At first I thought this rule was the most garbage EVER...made absolutely NO SENSE. AFter hearing tyler's argument, he is right. Having the extended series produces an overall better ranking and therefore Im going to vote FOR IT

go math

Did you listen to the SotG podcast?
ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
December 01 2010 05:51 GMT
#11
Someone did the math on it and showed that the extended series rule does a better job of ranking players than a standard double elimination tournament without it. Even so, I think it's somewhat unfair for the winner of the first bo3 because he might luck into an easier loser bracket game based on games played that are out of his control (whether the guy he beat wins through the loser bracket or not). Voted undecided; don't really care.
Of course, you only live one life, and you make all your mistakes, and learn what not to do, and that’s the end of you.
Fzero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1503 Posts
December 01 2010 05:53 GMT
#12
"Every other tournament in every other place in all the countries in the world does something else..."

"MLG is the best tournament in America"

/sigh
Never give up on something that you can't go a day without thinking about.
Blackrobe
Profile Joined August 2010
United States806 Posts
December 01 2010 05:55 GMT
#13
That "interview" was the WORST possible outcome anyone was expecting.

/sigh
"To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future."
Alou
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States3748 Posts
December 01 2010 05:55 GMT
#14
Stupid.
Life is Good.
GrapeD
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada679 Posts
December 01 2010 05:55 GMT
#15
On December 01 2010 14:26 Chill wrote:
The extended series rule is as follows:

Player L plays Player W in the first round. W beats L 2-1, sending him into the loser's bracket. In a later round of the loser's bracket, W and L meet again. In a typical double-elimination tournament, this would be a standard best of 3. However, in an extended series rule, player L will enter a bo7 rule down 2-1.


Is this for every game thereafter he beats him? finals included?
Some people hurt people. I defenestrate those people.
Zamiel
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States211 Posts
December 01 2010 05:58 GMT
#16
Lee's arguments for extended series on SotG were abysmal.
"Mech is at the store buying groceries and you attack him at home. You burn his house down. And then he comes home and puts out the fire, and then you burn down the grocery store so he can't buy more groceries."
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
December 01 2010 05:59 GMT
#17
No because the player is already penalized for losing by being put in the losers bracket. It is redundant to throw this on them as well.
elkram
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States221 Posts
December 01 2010 05:59 GMT
#18
I feel that kennigit was behind this poll.
Tiger Tiger. burning bright, In the forests of the night; What immortal hand or eye. Could frame thy fearful symmetry?
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
December 01 2010 05:59 GMT
#19
On December 01 2010 14:55 GrapeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 14:26 Chill wrote:
The extended series rule is as follows:

Player L plays Player W in the first round. W beats L 2-1, sending him into the loser's bracket. In a later round of the loser's bracket, W and L meet again. In a typical double-elimination tournament, this would be a standard best of 3. However, in an extended series rule, player L will enter a bo7 rule down 2-1.


Is this for every game thereafter he beats him? finals included?

Yes.
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TaKemE
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark1045 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 06:08:39
December 01 2010 06:08 GMT
#20
Its a very stupid and unfair rule.

ppl saying its fair have no idea what they are talking about and should realy think some more about it. Even for a game like Halo its unfair and you will never find a math expert saying its fair.

Heres just one good point from Idra: IdrA made the good point that if you lose to someone in the winners bracket, and then they lose later in the tournament to someone else, then they face you in the losers bracket there is no reason they should be up any games on you because they lost to a person you may not have lost to. Technically they're down just as many games as you and now because of the luck of the draw they're going against you again and have an advantage.
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