EPTFinancial Stability Of Being A Progamer in NA - Page 5
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theBullFrog
United States515 Posts
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
It all depends on how well starcraft continues to develop though. | ||
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CidO
United States695 Posts
On February 03 2011 00:57 theBullFrog wrote: hd and husky do not make $100k a year.. someone said that once and HD said No. lol I think it'd be wise to avoid another "how much does a caster make?? lol they don't do anything to deserve that" thread, we all saw how the last one ended. It's only logical that team sponsership/salary for pro player goes up whenever they win and eSports grows as a whole. The base level compensation players receive will go up once eSports grows, and therefore the standout players will obviously be compensated more. I do believe this year eSports (more specifically SC2) will get it's moneymaker effect, more people will be interested in it, more skilled players will come, more exposure will happen for the sponsers and thus players will be compensated more. and coaching is great, I wish more players picked up the coaching. I love how JP & friends is going with pros helping jp (and everyone who is watching essentially) out. | ||
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hmsrenown
Canada1263 Posts
On February 02 2011 09:04 Protoss_Carrier wrote: This is what my father said about SC2 and boxer "So this Boxer guy just got a contract for 170K USD a year, and that might be one of the highest salary. There are 25000ish medical students in the US each year, and each one of them, once graduate residency, will earn at least 150K, and more depend on speciality" I am glad I picked my path, and it wasn't progaming. It takes intelligence to game well, intelligence that can be used to do other things. I'm also glad you're not the one involved in esports. Sorry but this post does sound quite elitist. I want to bring to your attention that people are intelligent in different ways; I doubt all the pro gamers currently have the talent to be successful in medicine. Oh and did I mention all those people who took up life sciences in undergrad and didn't get accepted into med school? Also, please realize that for Boxer it's not just the salary, it's also sponsorships, tv appearance, and a lot of stuff related that brings in money. Living standards in Koreas would also be quite different, so this direct comparison falls way short of a true reflection on quality of life. | ||
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Sylvr
United States524 Posts
What happens is, something gets popular and attracts a lot of attention. Some CEO somewhere notices this and thinks to themselves "If my company's name was plastered all over this, then I bet at least a percentage of the people watching would buy my product." They then do some math to determine how much business they're likely to obtain, and they decide what percentage of that potential profit they want to invest to get their name on it. In other words. money goes to the most popular people. Right now, in the US, SC2 e-sports has a negligible fraction of the popularity of any major (and most minor) sports out there, so there isn't all that much money to go around. As such, only the best of the best are going to be worth a sponsor's money at the moment. SC2 needs more exposure. We need more rivalry, more intrigue, and we need to make the game more understandable and watchable to more people. (NOTE: This is one reason that casters are every bit as important as players, if not more) I don't know what the hell happened in Korea for SC1/BW that made such a huge percentage of the general population there savvy enough of the game to make it popular, but it will take something big to draw even a fraction as much attention to it in the US, I think. | ||
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
On February 02 2011 23:57 desrow wrote: And this is why I hate the clown, if only he could be as smart and helpful as day9... maybe... But what is he doing wrong? He's just casting and enjoying the game like the rest of us. Yeh, he had the fortune to get really big, is that his fault? Should he randomly start handing out money to pro-gamers? I cant justify the hate :/ | ||
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OPSavioR
Sweden1465 Posts
On February 02 2011 05:47 Ponyo wrote: thats it? I thought this topic was going to change my life. youre not alone man... not alone... | ||
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
On February 03 2011 02:58 LittLeD wrote: But what is he doing wrong? He's just casting and enjoying the game like the rest of us. Yeh, he had the fortune to get really big, is that his fault? Should he randomly start handing out money to pro-gamers? I cant justify the hate :/ Especially since back in beta they were scrambling to get youtube to recognize them(I believe both hd and husky). Maybe the $ difference between a pro and a caster is not right, but still the casters do one heck of a job and one can only wonder how many people husky/hd especially have gotten interested in sc2. The only thing that annoys me about husky is just the random crap he does  Ontopic, it does feel like the scene is getting bigger, maybe it will take HotS/toss expansion to make it big, but I'm hopeful. What I find most fubar is that the pros don't get their $ just straight after the tourneys. | ||
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Shifft
Canada1085 Posts
On February 02 2011 12:57 Liquid`HuK wrote: same, actually i havnt even been paid for IEM Cologne yet, sad ??? That's pretty fucking ridiculous tbh. | ||
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BuckNuwyler
United States25 Posts
For those who "all in" , best of luck and part of me envies your courage : ) | ||
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chowZilla
Canada57 Posts
However there was a millionaire named Jason Lake and bought 5 all-star players and formed team Complexity (tag: coLname) and put his players on very good salaries to simply practice 12 hours a day at a private house he bought. When CS died (due to the creation of source). ESports dwindled down. This was the only case where progamer made a real living. Note: this is only NA, its different in asia and europe  During my CS days, and a good year, i could make from 1,000 to 5,000 per tournament and maybe another 1k or 2 from sponsors if we did well. Sponsors are usually for perks and extra bucks, such as flight tickets, computer stuff, food, hotels... Etc. StarCraft in NA isnt as big as it should be but and you cannot make a living off of being a progamer because eSports isnt recognized enough. That said, maybe in the future it'll be possible. | ||
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CrazyCow
United States308 Posts
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pwei
United States62 Posts
Starcraft isn't going to work like that. If you want to compare it to something, compare it to extreme sports and X-games, or maybe MMA. i.e. something that certainly takes skill to do, but has an appeal to a smaller niche market (generation-Y and predominantly male). | ||
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mDuo13
United States307 Posts
Personally, I've got a 9-5 job that pays pretty well, but if I could make half as much as I currently do doing something more fun, I'd jump at the opportunity. | ||
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
On February 03 2011 05:18 mDuo13 wrote: Well, for people who care less about making big money and having a nice car than they do about getting by while spending as much time as possible doing something they enjoy doing, there's potential in esports, although it sounds like it's still a tough living and I hope you like coaching or casting or something. Personally, I've got a 9-5 job that pays pretty well, but if I could make half as much as I currently do doing something more fun, I'd jump at the opportunity. there is no potential in esports...please explain to me how you pay rent? pay for food? pay for an internet connection? Its just not possible unless you are the top .5% of players, and the top .5% of players change every month in sc2, so no its not possible. | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
On February 03 2011 05:30 Holcan wrote: there is no potential in esports...please explain to me how you pay rent? pay for food? pay for an internet connection? Its just not possible unless you are the top .5% of players, and the top .5% of players change every month in sc2, so no its not possible. Not sure how you reached the conclusions that esports has no potential. I mean it's getting drastically larger all across the world all the time and at this point there are a lot of people earning a living playing various games or doing esports related work. America probably has the furthest to go but they're getting there. Meanwhile players are finding new ways of earning money online, which is awesome. In your last paragraph it looks like you're assuming tournament prizes are the only way of getting by as a pro. On February 02 2011 08:57 qxc wrote: ... Coaching + youtube partnership + streaming ad revenue. If you just want to play and make enough money to survive gl - the scene isn't really there yet. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
On February 03 2011 06:26 hifriend wrote: Not sure how you reached the conclusions that esports has no potential. I mean it's getting drastically larger all across the world all the time and at this point there are a lot of people earning a living playing various games or doing esports related work. America probably has the furthest to go but they're getting there. Meanwhile players are finding new ways of earning money online, which is awesome. In your last paragraph it looks like you're assuming tournament prizes are the only way of getting by as a pro. I never said tournament winnings are the only way of going pro, most high tier amateurs have a clause in their contract which sends tournament winnings, or a percentage of, to their sponsored team. Please explain to me again how you pay rent, pay for food, and pay for an internet connection without being the top .5% of sc2 players, even they probably live with their parents, are on welfare, or work a 9-5 job. Esports is not economically viable as a career, and I tell all my players that this is a hobby to do for fun, not a career path. Btw, i reached that concusion by working in esports for the past 5 years, and contributing heavily in various facets of its development, and being in close contact with some of the most prominent managers. | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
On February 03 2011 06:39 Holcan wrote: I never said tournament winnings are the only way of going pro, most high tier amateurs have a clause in their contract which sends tournament winnings, or a percentage of, to their sponsored team. Please explain to me again how you pay rent, pay for food, and pay for an internet connection without being the top .5% of sc2 players, even they probably live with their parents, are on welfare, or work a 9-5 job. Esports is not economically viable as a career, and I tell all my players that this is a hobby to do for fun, not a career path. Btw, i reached that concusion by working in esports for the past 5 years, and contributing heavily in various facets of its development, and being in close contact with some of the most prominent managers. The reason I assumed that is because you mentioned how the .5% elite changes radically from month to month. But anyway I still don't understand how you reach that conclusion. E-sports are obviously getting more widespread everywhere, and with more fans/viewers the opportunities to make money should come naturally. What e-sports seem to be lacking is a game that catches the attention of a wide spectrum of gamers where people could work towards something more stable for the pro's similar to proleague in korea. It'll probably happen at some point. Not really trying to defend the decision to try and become a progamer right now at least not in a fiscal sense, but you're talking about the future as if you foresee some unexpected development that deviates from the way things have been progressing over the last 10 years. | ||
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
Esports will never become socially acceptable, especially with some of the current poster childs, (heres looking at you hostile !) Outside sponsors will always view this as a niche market, the most we can ever hope for is inside sponsorships (steelseries, razer) and related sponsorships (Intel, AMD). Look at how hard the CGS failed when they brought in outside sponsors. Sure its possible to make a profit off esports, but you definitely wont be able to pay rent, afford to marry, and do all the things you can do with a 9-5 job, unless you are the very top percentile of players, and if you are a top percentile, you need to travel to a foreign country to compete. A good example is Axslav, he plays for Team EG, one of the, if not the pinnacle of NA esports, yet he has a career outside of esports. | ||
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