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fraktoasters
Profile Joined January 2011
United States617 Posts
January 30 2011 19:57 GMT
#121
On January 31 2011 04:32 Hokay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2011 03:53 Turgid wrote:
On January 31 2011 03:52 Hokay wrote:
On January 31 2011 03:19 awu25 wrote:
On January 31 2011 01:44 Foxt wrote:
I dont understand what is the point of letting some people exclusive right to just skip qualifiers for tournament?

And what is the point also, with that people can choose who they can fight against?

And this whole concept of code A and code S?

What the hell kind of tournament GSL is? this is just ridicilous

Real tournament would not be about club of elitists who dont need to play their way to up.

Real tournament would be tournament, where people need to actually PLAY their all the way from bottom to up.

apparently you've never watched the OSL or MSL
in a game like Starcraft where upsets can happen very often
we would see former champions dropping out in qualifiers a lot and thus viewership would go down


All for the viewers huh? That's pretty pathetic imo, but understandable from a business point of view so I don't really care that Gom is doing this since it's helping the SC2 scene grow over there. However, I still believe a tournament is suppose to decide who are the best players, not be a popularity contest giving out free golden tickets to bypass qualifiers.


Seeding is done for players who have proven themselves in numerous 1v1 competitions, I believe.


Not really.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=182139

and no i am not up in arms, just pointing out that a tournament like GSL loses some prestigious points as a legit tournament. A tournament should be structured to determine who the best player is in a reasonable amount of time (of course you can't have BO7 every match). Seeding is fine, but the way they picked the code a invites was terrible and not fair to the rest of the competition.


That link doesn't prove anything about their method of choosing who gets the seeds.


On January 06 2011 15:02 JunkkaGom wrote:
...Your discussion will provide valuable feedback for us...

hmunkey
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom1973 Posts
January 30 2011 20:02 GMT
#122
On January 31 2011 02:05 Geovu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2011 20:48 FXOpen wrote:
VTTorch lost in his pool grandfinal (missing out on code A by 1 spot)

NOOOOOOOOOO TOOOOORCH : (((((((((

Same thing happened to Huk in season 3 :|

Also, Artosis said in a recent video that he was beating all the top Terran's with his Protoss, so I really want to know how he lost.



And for the people who think for some reason that the foreigners don't deserve those 4 spots:

Exhibit A: (P)SanZenith

Exhibit B: (T)ZeNEXLiveForever

Exhibit C: (P)choyafOu

Exhibit D: (P)anyproPrime

Exhibit E: (P)SanZenith!

Exhibit F: (P)SanfuckingZenith

Exhibit G: (P)SanNotEvenPlayingCompetivelyAnymoreZenithGoddammit

What's your point? They went through the qualifications legitimately and made it farther than any of the players who got free passes in. It's cool and all to talk down about certain players but at the end of the day they're Code S while Ret lost his 1st round Code A match and HuK failed to even qualify.
hybridsc
Profile Joined November 2010
United States63 Posts
January 30 2011 20:05 GMT
#123
On January 31 2011 02:05 Geovu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2011 20:48 FXOpen wrote:
VTTorch lost in his pool grandfinal (missing out on code A by 1 spot)

NOOOOOOOOOO TOOOOORCH : (((((((((

Same thing happened to Huk in season 3 :|

Also, Artosis said in a recent video that he was beating all the top Terran's with his Protoss, so I really want to know how he lost.



And for the people who think for some reason that the foreigners don't deserve those 4 spots:

Exhibit A: (P)SanZenith

Exhibit B: (T)ZeNEXLiveForever

Exhibit C: (P)choyafOu

Exhibit D: (P)anyproPrime

Exhibit E: (P)SanZenith!

Exhibit F: (P)SanfuckingZenith

Exhibit G: (P)SanNotEvenPlayingCompetivelyAnymoreZenithGoddammit


Dude those players arent taking up Code A spots... they're all in Code S. On top of that, anypro and especially choyafou are top players and are well respected. I wouldn't be too much of an Artosis goon, these players earned their spots in Code S as opposed to getting freebie passes.
Debo
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States95 Posts
January 30 2011 20:20 GMT
#124
Probably should be more supportive to our foreigner players.

I would hate to see starcraft 2, end up starcraft 1 foreigner representation.

The more exposure for us, the better.... even if it isn't "earned".
"Protoss can eat a @#$^!"
S.O.L.I.D.
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States792 Posts
January 30 2011 20:21 GMT
#125
He's saying that if those players are in Code S, then foreigners deserve to get Code A automatically.

Sorry to hear about Spades, Artosis, and TorcH, I was hoping they'd get in. Grats to the Liquid guys and Glade for making it in, I'm hoping they do well.
Turgid
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1623 Posts
January 30 2011 21:37 GMT
#126
On January 31 2011 04:32 Hokay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2011 03:53 Turgid wrote:
On January 31 2011 03:52 Hokay wrote:
On January 31 2011 03:19 awu25 wrote:
On January 31 2011 01:44 Foxt wrote:
I dont understand what is the point of letting some people exclusive right to just skip qualifiers for tournament?

And what is the point also, with that people can choose who they can fight against?

And this whole concept of code A and code S?

What the hell kind of tournament GSL is? this is just ridicilous

Real tournament would not be about club of elitists who dont need to play their way to up.

Real tournament would be tournament, where people need to actually PLAY their all the way from bottom to up.

apparently you've never watched the OSL or MSL
in a game like Starcraft where upsets can happen very often
we would see former champions dropping out in qualifiers a lot and thus viewership would go down


All for the viewers huh? That's pretty pathetic imo, but understandable from a business point of view so I don't really care that Gom is doing this since it's helping the SC2 scene grow over there. However, I still believe a tournament is suppose to decide who are the best players, not be a popularity contest giving out free golden tickets to bypass qualifiers.


Seeding is done for players who have proven themselves in numerous 1v1 competitions, I believe.


Not really.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=182139

and no i am not up in arms, just pointing out that a tournament like GSL loses some prestigious points as a legit tournament. A tournament should be structured to determine who the best player is in a reasonable amount of time (of course you can't have BO7 every match). Seeding is fine, but the way they picked the code a invites was terrible and not fair to the rest of the competition.

No, you misunderstood what I was saying. I'm saying tons of tournaments(for other games, such as tennis) seed players past preliminary rounds based on past performance. It's extremely common. It doesn't make the tournament illegitimate. All of the Code A foreigner invites are notable and at least somewhat accomplished(in Haypro's case).
(╬ ಠ益ಠ)
mindspike
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Canada1902 Posts
January 30 2011 21:38 GMT
#127
On January 30 2011 23:17 LetoAtreides82 wrote:
That's a bit embarrassing. The results make it look like the only way foreigners can get in is if they are given a special pass.



Idra and Jinro have already proven that is not completely true. We'll just have to see how Huk and Moonglade do and whether Ret or Haypro have improved.
zerg/human - vancouver, canada
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
January 30 2011 21:43 GMT
#128
Don't know if this has been posted in the previous 7 pages but the Code A players finalized are:

Here's your 32 Code A players.

+ Show Spoiler +
Terran (13)

(T)Loner
(T)aLive
(T)August
(T)ButterflyEffect
(T)CchapSeungEu
(T)Cute
(T)Polt
(T)Rain
(T)Maka
(T)GanZi
(T)SuperNova
(T)Destination
(T)Virus

Zerg (13)

(Z)HayprO
(Z)mOOnGLaDe
(Z)Ret
(Z)Junwi
(Z)YuGiOh
(Z)JookTo
(Z)Moon
(Z)Cezanne
(Z)Leenock
(Z)CoCa
(Z)Curious
(Z)LosirA
(Z)Posh

Protoss (6)

(P)HuK
(P)Squirtle
(P)SangHo
(P)LegalMind
(P)Alicia
(P)Ace


Note that (T)LiveForever is reporting for military duty from Code S and will be replaced by one of the Code A players who were bumped in the up&down matches.

This will leave an open slot in Code A and it will be filled by (Z)Yeah, so the final list will look slightly different.

It's a shame about Spades and Torch i was really hoping they would also make it
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
usethis2
Profile Joined December 2010
2164 Posts
January 30 2011 22:41 GMT
#129
On January 31 2011 02:05 Geovu wrote:
Also, Artosis said in a recent video that he was beating all the top Terran's with his Protoss, so I really want to know how he lost.

Maybe he lost to a zerg. Wouldn't that be.. (insert your own feeling here)? XD
Wolf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)3290 Posts
January 30 2011 22:43 GMT
#130
I want one of those shirts. Haha.
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/proxywolf
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YoungNeil
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada328 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-30 22:46:57
January 30 2011 22:46 GMT
#131
On January 31 2011 07:41 usethis2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2011 02:05 Geovu wrote:
Also, Artosis said in a recent video that he was beating all the top Terran's with his Protoss, so I really want to know how he lost.

Maybe he lost to a zerg. Wouldn't that be.. (insert your own feeling here)? XD


He lost 1-2 to (T)LittleBoy (oGsGGoMa), a Terran.
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
January 30 2011 22:46 GMT
#132
On January 31 2011 07:41 usethis2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2011 02:05 Geovu wrote:
Also, Artosis said in a recent video that he was beating all the top Terran's with his Protoss, so I really want to know how he lost.

Maybe he lost to a zerg. Wouldn't that be.. (insert your own feeling here)? XD

Ironic?
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
Sworn
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada920 Posts
January 30 2011 22:50 GMT
#133
4! im glad to see huk in there more canadians need to represent and Moonglade as well. Hopefully they all do well in Code A especially Ret Im looking forward to him moving up to code S soon.
"Duty is heavy as a mountain, death is light as a feather." CJ Entus Fighting! <3 Effort
happyness
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2400 Posts
January 30 2011 22:55 GMT
#134
Our assumptions are that, rather being good, you have to be solid and consistent to get into GSL.


You have to be be solid and consistent to be good, lol. They aren't exclusive

ty for the writeup though!
happyness
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2400 Posts
January 30 2011 22:57 GMT
#135
On January 31 2011 05:02 hmunkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2011 02:05 Geovu wrote:
On January 30 2011 20:48 FXOpen wrote:
VTTorch lost in his pool grandfinal (missing out on code A by 1 spot)

NOOOOOOOOOO TOOOOORCH : (((((((((

Same thing happened to Huk in season 3 :|

Also, Artosis said in a recent video that he was beating all the top Terran's with his Protoss, so I really want to know how he lost.



And for the people who think for some reason that the foreigners don't deserve those 4 spots:

Exhibit A: (P)SanZenith

Exhibit B: (T)ZeNEXLiveForever

Exhibit C: (P)choyafOu

Exhibit D: (P)anyproPrime

Exhibit E: (P)SanZenith!

Exhibit F: (P)SanfuckingZenith

Exhibit G: (P)SanNotEvenPlayingCompetivelyAnymoreZenithGoddammit

What's your point? They went through the qualifications legitimately and made it farther than any of the players who got free passes in. It's cool and all to talk down about certain players but at the end of the day they're Code S while Ret lost his 1st round Code A match and HuK failed to even qualify.


I agree.

The only reason Gom is doing this is so they can get more foreign viewers. I think the foreign players are as good as most the players in code A and they will do well, but it certainly isn't legit.
MahatmaSC2
Profile Joined December 2010
United States192 Posts
January 30 2011 22:59 GMT
#136
Wow, only 6 Protoss. WHERE'S NEXPUZZLE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Team ZeNEX fighting!
YoungNeil
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada328 Posts
January 30 2011 23:07 GMT
#137
On January 31 2011 07:59 MahatmaSC2 wrote:
Wow, only 6 Protoss. WHERE'S NEXPUZZLE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!


Maybe NEXPuzzle...is HuK?!?!?

YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST.
OverZero
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States271 Posts
January 30 2011 23:11 GMT
#138
Anyone know anything about this (Z)Yeah that is replacing (T)NEXLiveForever?
PLAGUUUUUUU <My Stream: twitch.tv/paullolol > Check it out some time!!!
DayJP
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil477 Posts
January 30 2011 23:26 GMT
#139
awesome, thx for the report op
"Why did the Colossus fall over? Because it's imbalanced! :D" - Dan Artosis
TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
January 30 2011 23:49 GMT
#140
On January 31 2011 07:57 happyness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2011 05:02 hmunkey wrote:
On January 31 2011 02:05 Geovu wrote:
On January 30 2011 20:48 FXOpen wrote:
VTTorch lost in his pool grandfinal (missing out on code A by 1 spot)

NOOOOOOOOOO TOOOOORCH : (((((((((

Same thing happened to Huk in season 3 :|

Also, Artosis said in a recent video that he was beating all the top Terran's with his Protoss, so I really want to know how he lost.



And for the people who think for some reason that the foreigners don't deserve those 4 spots:

Exhibit A: (P)SanZenith

Exhibit B: (T)ZeNEXLiveForever

Exhibit C: (P)choyafOu

Exhibit D: (P)anyproPrime

Exhibit E: (P)SanZenith!

Exhibit F: (P)SanfuckingZenith

Exhibit G: (P)SanNotEvenPlayingCompetivelyAnymoreZenithGoddammit

What's your point? They went through the qualifications legitimately and made it farther than any of the players who got free passes in. It's cool and all to talk down about certain players but at the end of the day they're Code S while Ret lost his 1st round Code A match and HuK failed to even qualify.


I agree.

The only reason Gom is doing this is so they can get more foreign viewers. I think the foreign players are as good as most the players in code A and they will do well, but it certainly isn't legit.


Isn't legit? How so?
They decide for themselves how you get into their tourney, they could do 100% invites for the seeds, zero qualifiers and it would still be "legit".

Also there is an obvious disadvantage for foreigners as they have to travel across half the world and live in a foreign country etc just to be able to even try to qualify. Foreigners and Koreans are not on equal ground to begin with.
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
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