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On January 31 2011 04:32 Hokay wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 03:53 Turgid wrote:On January 31 2011 03:52 Hokay wrote:On January 31 2011 03:19 awu25 wrote:On January 31 2011 01:44 Foxt wrote:
I dont understand what is the point of letting some people exclusive right to just skip qualifiers for tournament?
And what is the point also, with that people can choose who they can fight against?
And this whole concept of code A and code S?
What the hell kind of tournament GSL is? this is just ridicilous
Real tournament would not be about club of elitists who dont need to play their way to up.
Real tournament would be tournament, where people need to actually PLAY their all the way from bottom to up. apparently you've never watched the OSL or MSL in a game like Starcraft where upsets can happen very often we would see former champions dropping out in qualifiers a lot and thus viewership would go down All for the viewers huh? That's pretty pathetic imo, but understandable from a business point of view so I don't really care that Gom is doing this since it's helping the SC2 scene grow over there. However, I still believe a tournament is suppose to decide who are the best players, not be a popularity contest giving out free golden tickets to bypass qualifiers. Seeding is done for players who have proven themselves in numerous 1v1 competitions, I believe. Not really. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=182139and no i am not up in arms, just pointing out that a tournament like GSL loses some prestigious points as a legit tournament. A tournament should be structured to determine who the best player is in a reasonable amount of time (of course you can't have BO7 every match). Seeding is fine, but the way they picked the code a invites was terrible and not fair to the rest of the competition.
That link doesn't prove anything about their method of choosing who gets the seeds.
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What's your point? They went through the qualifications legitimately and made it farther than any of the players who got free passes in. It's cool and all to talk down about certain players but at the end of the day they're Code S while Ret lost his 1st round Code A match and HuK failed to even qualify.
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Dude those players arent taking up Code A spots... they're all in Code S. On top of that, anypro and especially choyafou are top players and are well respected. I wouldn't be too much of an Artosis goon, these players earned their spots in Code S as opposed to getting freebie passes.
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Probably should be more supportive to our foreigner players.
I would hate to see starcraft 2, end up starcraft 1 foreigner representation.
The more exposure for us, the better.... even if it isn't "earned".
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He's saying that if those players are in Code S, then foreigners deserve to get Code A automatically.
Sorry to hear about Spades, Artosis, and TorcH, I was hoping they'd get in. Grats to the Liquid guys and Glade for making it in, I'm hoping they do well.
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On January 31 2011 04:32 Hokay wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 03:53 Turgid wrote:On January 31 2011 03:52 Hokay wrote:On January 31 2011 03:19 awu25 wrote:On January 31 2011 01:44 Foxt wrote:
I dont understand what is the point of letting some people exclusive right to just skip qualifiers for tournament?
And what is the point also, with that people can choose who they can fight against?
And this whole concept of code A and code S?
What the hell kind of tournament GSL is? this is just ridicilous
Real tournament would not be about club of elitists who dont need to play their way to up.
Real tournament would be tournament, where people need to actually PLAY their all the way from bottom to up. apparently you've never watched the OSL or MSL in a game like Starcraft where upsets can happen very often we would see former champions dropping out in qualifiers a lot and thus viewership would go down All for the viewers huh? That's pretty pathetic imo, but understandable from a business point of view so I don't really care that Gom is doing this since it's helping the SC2 scene grow over there. However, I still believe a tournament is suppose to decide who are the best players, not be a popularity contest giving out free golden tickets to bypass qualifiers. Seeding is done for players who have proven themselves in numerous 1v1 competitions, I believe. Not really. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=182139and no i am not up in arms, just pointing out that a tournament like GSL loses some prestigious points as a legit tournament. A tournament should be structured to determine who the best player is in a reasonable amount of time (of course you can't have BO7 every match). Seeding is fine, but the way they picked the code a invites was terrible and not fair to the rest of the competition.
No, you misunderstood what I was saying. I'm saying tons of tournaments(for other games, such as tennis) seed players past preliminary rounds based on past performance. It's extremely common. It doesn't make the tournament illegitimate. All of the Code A foreigner invites are notable and at least somewhat accomplished(in Haypro's case).
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On January 30 2011 23:17 LetoAtreides82 wrote:
That's a bit embarrassing. The results make it look like the only way foreigners can get in is if they are given a special pass.
Idra and Jinro have already proven that is not completely true. We'll just have to see how Huk and Moonglade do and whether Ret or Haypro have improved.
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Don't know if this has been posted in the previous 7 pages but the Code A players finalized are:
Here's your 32 Code A players. + Show Spoiler +Note that  LiveForever is reporting for military duty from Code S and will be replaced by one of the Code A players who were bumped in the up&down matches. This will leave an open slot in Code A and it will be filled by  Yeah, so the final list will look slightly different.
It's a shame about Spades and Torch i was really hoping they would also make it 
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On January 31 2011 02:05 Geovu wrote:
Also, Artosis said in a recent video that he was beating all the top Terran's with his Protoss, so I really want to know how he lost.
Maybe he lost to a zerg. Wouldn't that be.. (insert your own feeling here)? XD
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I want one of those shirts. Haha.
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On January 31 2011 07:41 usethis2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 02:05 Geovu wrote:
Also, Artosis said in a recent video that he was beating all the top Terran's with his Protoss, so I really want to know how he lost.
Maybe he lost to a zerg. Wouldn't that be.. (insert your own feeling here)? XD
He lost 1-2 to LittleBoy (oGsGGoMa), a Terran.
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On January 31 2011 07:41 usethis2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 02:05 Geovu wrote:
Also, Artosis said in a recent video that he was beating all the top Terran's with his Protoss, so I really want to know how he lost.
Maybe he lost to a zerg. Wouldn't that be.. (insert your own feeling here)? XD
Ironic?
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4! im glad to see huk in there more canadians need to represent and Moonglade as well. Hopefully they all do well in Code A especially Ret Im looking forward to him moving up to code S soon.
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Our assumptions are that, rather being good, you have to be solid and consistent to get into GSL.
You have to be be solid and consistent to be good, lol. They aren't exclusive
ty for the writeup though!
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On January 31 2011 05:02 hmunkey wrote:What's your point? They went through the qualifications legitimately and made it farther than any of the players who got free passes in. It's cool and all to talk down about certain players but at the end of the day they're Code S while Ret lost his 1st round Code A match and HuK failed to even qualify.
I agree.
The only reason Gom is doing this is so they can get more foreign viewers. I think the foreign players are as good as most the players in code A and they will do well, but it certainly isn't legit.
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Wow, only 6 Protoss. WHERE'S NEXPUZZLE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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On January 31 2011 07:59 MahatmaSC2 wrote:
Wow, only 6 Protoss. WHERE'S NEXPUZZLE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Maybe NEXPuzzle...is HuK?!?!?
YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST.
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awesome, thx for the report op
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On January 31 2011 07:57 happyness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 05:02 hmunkey wrote:On January 31 2011 02:05 Geovu wrote:On January 30 2011 20:48 FXOpen wrote:
VTTorch lost in his pool grandfinal (missing out on code A by 1 spot)
NOOOOOOOOOO TOOOOORCH : ((((((((( Same thing happened to Huk in season 3 :| Also, Artosis said in a recent video that he was beating all the top Terran's with his Protoss, so I really want to know how he lost. And for the people who think for some reason that the foreigners don't deserve those 4 spots: Exhibit A:  SanZenithExhibit B: ZeNEXLiveForever Exhibit C: choyafOuExhibit D: anyproPrimeExhibit E: SanZenith!Exhibit F: SanfuckingZenithExhibit G: SanNotEvenPlayingCompetivelyAnymoreZenithGoddammit What's your point? They went through the qualifications legitimately and made it farther than any of the players who got free passes in. It's cool and all to talk down about certain players but at the end of the day they're Code S while Ret lost his 1st round Code A match and HuK failed to even qualify. I agree. The only reason Gom is doing this is so they can get more foreign viewers. I think the foreign players are as good as most the players in code A and they will do well, but it certainly isn't legit.
Isn't legit? How so?
They decide for themselves how you get into their tourney, they could do 100% invites for the seeds, zero qualifiers and it would still be "legit".
Also there is an obvious disadvantage for foreigners as they have to travel across half the world and live in a foreign country etc just to be able to even try to qualify. Foreigners and Koreans are not on equal ground to begin with.
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