On January 31 2011 01:44 Foxt wrote: I dont understand what is the point of letting some people exclusive right to just skip qualifiers for tournament?
And what is the point also, with that people can choose who they can fight against?
And this whole concept of code A and code S?
What the hell kind of tournament GSL is? this is just ridicilous
Real tournament would not be about club of elitists who dont need to play their way to up.
Real tournament would be tournament, where people need to actually PLAY their all the way from bottom to up.
apparently you've never watched the OSL or MSL in a game like Starcraft where upsets can happen very often we would see former champions dropping out in qualifiers a lot and thus viewership would go down
Try to think of the 4 foreigners being seeded from the opposite view. If this was an American tournament or what ever your country is, I would be very happy to see us invite top koreans or top europeans and give them a free spot into code A. This helps gom so much, its unbelievable that people are whining about it.
And to the people whining about gom giving seeds to players already over there, thats just smart business as well. The trip to Korea plus leaving everything in your life on hold to go there is a pretty big decision. They are assuring these players will be in Korea and that they can play. It's not like they invited some scrubs off of ladder either. All are very deserving to be seeded.
I like how people routinely work off the assumption that luck doesn't play a huge role in SC2, it's a game of limited information where scouting 3 tiles to the right can win or lose you a game and positions can decide matches. You can play significantly worse than your opponent in nearly every respect and still beat them, this inherent luck factor means those who consistently perform well over a longer period of time should be preferred, but due to the 1 tournament a month thing in Korea it's much harder for that information to be attained for the top koreans that aren't in the GSL. That said it's probably not a great idea to limit it to foreigners, if koreans do well in foreign tournaments on a consistent basis they should be awarded the same privileges.
So basically only 10 foreigners showed up to qualifications. Out of the 10, GOM picked the likely best 4 players to seed and the other 6 had to go through actual qualification games. I guess the top 4 got lucky as they might have also dropped out.
On January 31 2011 01:44 Foxt wrote: I dont understand what is the point of letting some people exclusive right to just skip qualifiers for tournament?
And what is the point also, with that people can choose who they can fight against?
And this whole concept of code A and code S?
What the hell kind of tournament GSL is? this is just ridicilous
Real tournament would not be about club of elitists who dont need to play their way to up.
Real tournament would be tournament, where people need to actually PLAY their all the way from bottom to up.
apparently you've never watched the OSL or MSL in a game like Starcraft where upsets can happen very often we would see former champions dropping out in qualifiers a lot and thus viewership would go down
All for the viewers huh? That's pretty pathetic imo, but understandable from a business point of view so I don't really care that Gom is doing this since it's helping the SC2 scene grow over there. However, I still believe a tournament is suppose to decide who are the best players, not be a popularity contest giving out free golden tickets to bypass qualifiers.
On January 31 2011 01:44 Foxt wrote: I dont understand what is the point of letting some people exclusive right to just skip qualifiers for tournament?
And what is the point also, with that people can choose who they can fight against?
And this whole concept of code A and code S?
What the hell kind of tournament GSL is? this is just ridicilous
Real tournament would not be about club of elitists who dont need to play their way to up.
Real tournament would be tournament, where people need to actually PLAY their all the way from bottom to up.
apparently you've never watched the OSL or MSL in a game like Starcraft where upsets can happen very often we would see former champions dropping out in qualifiers a lot and thus viewership would go down
All for the viewers huh? That's pretty pathetic imo, but understandable from a business point of view so I don't really care that Gom is doing this since it's helping the SC2 scene grow over there. However, I still believe a tournament is suppose to decide who are the best players, not be a popularity contest giving out free golden tickets to bypass qualifiers.
Seeding is done for players who have proven themselves in numerous 1v1 competitions, I believe. For instance, tennis. No idea why you're so up in arms about this, or how you were unaware that this was done in many tournaments.
You can't play a Bo7 every single matchup in qualifiers to decide the true best player. It's easy to just cheese a champ out of the qualifiers and that would be terrible for the tournament. The current setup is very good
It's not like the foreigners in the qualifiers were all that accomplished. Spades, Torch, and Artosis are nowhere near the top of the foreigner scene. And torch and Artosis almost made it.
Next season hopefully people like sjow, white-ra, or naniwa get a spot in the GOM foreigner house.
On January 31 2011 04:05 ffadicted wrote: You can't play a Bo7 every single matchup in qualifiers to decide the true best player. It's easy to just cheese a champ out of the qualifiers and that would be terrible for the tournament. The current setup is very good
yeah. given the numbers that i guess turned up for this, it's a hard balance between what gives the best chance for the better players on the day to go through and what you can actually do logistically given the resources you have (i.e. time, number of pc's etc). i'd love more tourneys to run in a swiss style but i doubt that ever works in an offline event for reasons above
thx a lot for the vod post! i watched a lil bit of it all searching threw the ones with the most hits got some cool shots with boxer, mvp, nestea, artosis, torch, and many more :D
One of the videos tho seem kinda ... odd it was carefoot streaming and the cam pointed to a group of korean kids who were caressing one another. Must have been a lot of downtime in there waiting for games, pass the time with a little snuggling?
On January 31 2011 01:44 Foxt wrote: I dont understand what is the point of letting some people exclusive right to just skip qualifiers for tournament?
And what is the point also, with that people can choose who they can fight against?
And this whole concept of code A and code S?
What the hell kind of tournament GSL is? this is just ridicilous
Real tournament would not be about club of elitists who dont need to play their way to up.
Real tournament would be tournament, where people need to actually PLAY their all the way from bottom to up.
apparently you've never watched the OSL or MSL in a game like Starcraft where upsets can happen very often we would see former champions dropping out in qualifiers a lot and thus viewership would go down
All for the viewers huh? That's pretty pathetic imo, but understandable from a business point of view so I don't really care that Gom is doing this since it's helping the SC2 scene grow over there. However, I still believe a tournament is suppose to decide who are the best players, not be a popularity contest giving out free golden tickets to bypass qualifiers.
Seeding is done for players who have proven themselves in numerous 1v1 competitions, I believe.
and no i am not up in arms, just pointing out that a tournament like GSL loses some prestigious points as a legit tournament. A tournament should be structured to determine who the best player is in a reasonable amount of time (of course you can't have BO7 every match). Seeding is fine, but the way they picked the code a invites was terrible and not fair to the rest of the competition.
Kinda disappointing only the seeded players got through D:, I'm sure next month with a bunch of the best practicing in the GOM house it will go better!
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