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GSL Qualifications write up from GOM HOUSE - Page 6

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mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
January 30 2011 18:18 GMT
#101
On January 31 2011 02:05 Geovu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2011 20:48 FXOpen wrote:
VTTorch lost in his pool grandfinal (missing out on code A by 1 spot)

NOOOOOOOOOO TOOOOORCH : (((((((((

Same thing happened to Huk in season 3 :|

Also, Artosis said in a recent video that he was beating all the top Terran's with his Protoss, so I really want to know how he lost.



And for the people who think for some reason that the foreigners don't deserve those 4 spots:

Exhibit A: (P)SanZenith

Exhibit B: (T)ZeNEXLiveForever

Exhibit C: (P)choyafOu

Exhibit D: (P)anyproPrime

Exhibit E: (P)SanZenith!

Exhibit F: (P)SanfuckingZenith

Exhibit G: (P)SanNotEvenPlayingCompetivelyAnymoreZenithGoddammit


Choya can play nicely though
awu25
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2003 Posts
January 30 2011 18:19 GMT
#102
On January 31 2011 01:44 Foxt wrote:
I dont understand what is the point of letting some people exclusive right to just skip qualifiers for tournament?

And what is the point also, with that people can choose who they can fight against?

And this whole concept of code A and code S?

What the hell kind of tournament GSL is? this is just ridicilous

Real tournament would not be about club of elitists who dont need to play their way to up.

Real tournament would be tournament, where people need to actually PLAY their all the way from bottom to up.

apparently you've never watched the OSL or MSL
in a game like Starcraft where upsets can happen very often
we would see former champions dropping out in qualifiers a lot and thus viewership would go down
ThaZenith
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3116 Posts
January 30 2011 18:21 GMT
#103
Omg lol, so many elitists. They seeded 4 players into code A. Get over it, it's a good thing.

If we can get some top players applying to the gom house now, maybe we'll get some guys qualifying on their own.
lac29
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1485 Posts
January 30 2011 18:26 GMT
#104
Great writeup! I thought there were other foreigners trying out besides the ones listed in the OP?
Kvothe
Profile Joined September 2010
201 Posts
January 30 2011 18:35 GMT
#105
Try to think of the 4 foreigners being seeded from the opposite view. If this was an American tournament or what ever your country is, I would be very happy to see us invite top koreans or top europeans and give them a free spot into code A. This helps gom so much, its unbelievable that people are whining about it.

And to the people whining about gom giving seeds to players already over there, thats just smart business as well. The trip to Korea plus leaving everything in your life on hold to go there is a pretty big decision. They are assuring these players will be in Korea and that they can play. It's not like they invited some scrubs off of ladder either. All are very deserving to be seeded.
leakingpear
Profile Joined March 2006
United Kingdom302 Posts
January 30 2011 18:36 GMT
#106
I like how people routinely work off the assumption that luck doesn't play a huge role in SC2, it's a game of limited information where scouting 3 tiles to the right can win or lose you a game and positions can decide matches. You can play significantly worse than your opponent in nearly every respect and still beat them, this inherent luck factor means those who consistently perform well over a longer period of time should be preferred, but due to the 1 tournament a month thing in Korea it's much harder for that information to be attained for the top koreans that aren't in the GSL. That said it's probably not a great idea to limit it to foreigners, if koreans do well in foreign tournaments on a consistent basis they should be awarded the same privileges.
vnlegend
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1389 Posts
January 30 2011 18:44 GMT
#107
So basically only 10 foreigners showed up to qualifications. Out of the 10, GOM picked the likely best 4 players to seed and the other 6 had to go through actual qualification games. I guess the top 4 got lucky as they might have also dropped out.
Marines > everything
Hokay
Profile Joined May 2007
United States738 Posts
January 30 2011 18:52 GMT
#108
On January 31 2011 03:19 awu25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2011 01:44 Foxt wrote:
I dont understand what is the point of letting some people exclusive right to just skip qualifiers for tournament?

And what is the point also, with that people can choose who they can fight against?

And this whole concept of code A and code S?

What the hell kind of tournament GSL is? this is just ridicilous

Real tournament would not be about club of elitists who dont need to play their way to up.

Real tournament would be tournament, where people need to actually PLAY their all the way from bottom to up.

apparently you've never watched the OSL or MSL
in a game like Starcraft where upsets can happen very often
we would see former champions dropping out in qualifiers a lot and thus viewership would go down


All for the viewers huh? That's pretty pathetic imo, but understandable from a business point of view so I don't really care that Gom is doing this since it's helping the SC2 scene grow over there. However, I still believe a tournament is suppose to decide who are the best players, not be a popularity contest giving out free golden tickets to bypass qualifiers.
Turgid
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1623 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-30 18:54:13
January 30 2011 18:53 GMT
#109
On January 31 2011 03:52 Hokay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2011 03:19 awu25 wrote:
On January 31 2011 01:44 Foxt wrote:
I dont understand what is the point of letting some people exclusive right to just skip qualifiers for tournament?

And what is the point also, with that people can choose who they can fight against?

And this whole concept of code A and code S?

What the hell kind of tournament GSL is? this is just ridicilous

Real tournament would not be about club of elitists who dont need to play their way to up.

Real tournament would be tournament, where people need to actually PLAY their all the way from bottom to up.

apparently you've never watched the OSL or MSL
in a game like Starcraft where upsets can happen very often
we would see former champions dropping out in qualifiers a lot and thus viewership would go down


All for the viewers huh? That's pretty pathetic imo, but understandable from a business point of view so I don't really care that Gom is doing this since it's helping the SC2 scene grow over there. However, I still believe a tournament is suppose to decide who are the best players, not be a popularity contest giving out free golden tickets to bypass qualifiers.


Seeding is done for players who have proven themselves in numerous 1v1 competitions, I believe. For instance, tennis. No idea why you're so up in arms about this, or how you were unaware that this was done in many tournaments.
(╬ ಠ益ಠ)
TheResidentEvil
Profile Joined September 2010
United States991 Posts
January 30 2011 18:59 GMT
#110
I dont think artosis is out yet. He is going to play oGsGoma it says on his twitter
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
January 30 2011 19:00 GMT
#111
On January 31 2011 03:59 TheResidentEvil wrote:
I dont think artosis is out yet. He is going to play oGsGoma it says on his twitter

Any minute now
ffadicted
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3545 Posts
January 30 2011 19:05 GMT
#112
You can't play a Bo7 every single matchup in qualifiers to decide the true best player. It's easy to just cheese a champ out of the qualifiers and that would be terrible for the tournament. The current setup is very good
SooYoung-Noona!
Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
January 30 2011 19:06 GMT
#113
It's not like the foreigners in the qualifiers were all that accomplished. Spades, Torch, and Artosis are nowhere near the top of the foreigner scene. And torch and Artosis almost made it.

Next season hopefully people like sjow, white-ra, or naniwa get a spot in the GOM foreigner house.
#1 Kwanro Fan
Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
January 30 2011 19:07 GMT
#114
On January 30 2011 20:52 SmoKim wrote:
(Z)Ret
(Z)HayprO
(Z)FXOmOOnGLaDe
(P)HuK

now code A tournament is gonna be AWESOME!


Awesome!! I cant wait for the next season to start up. Gonna be some awesome code S and A matches.
Your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others -Heart of Darkness
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
January 30 2011 19:09 GMT
#115
On January 31 2011 04:05 ffadicted wrote:
You can't play a Bo7 every single matchup in qualifiers to decide the true best player. It's easy to just cheese a champ out of the qualifiers and that would be terrible for the tournament. The current setup is very good


yeah. given the numbers that i guess turned up for this, it's a hard balance between what gives the best chance for the better players on the day to go through and what you can actually do logistically given the resources you have (i.e. time, number of pc's etc). i'd love more tourneys to run in a swiss style but i doubt that ever works in an offline event for reasons above

also glglgl artosis
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Deleted User 108965
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1096 Posts
January 30 2011 19:10 GMT
#116
goooo artosis!
Disciple....Top 3 control in Clarion County
nexitustl1
Profile Joined December 2010
156 Posts
January 30 2011 19:26 GMT
#117
On January 30 2011 23:12 Carefoot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2011 21:10 Neoattitude wrote:
THERE WAS A STREAM?!?!? someone pm me that stream please!!

vods start on page 4 all the way to page 1 all day long I streamed =]
http://www.justin.tv/nickcarefoot/videos?page=4

thx a lot for the vod post! i watched a lil bit of it all searching threw the ones with the most hits got some cool shots with boxer, mvp, nestea, artosis, torch, and many more :D

One of the videos tho seem kinda ... odd it was carefoot streaming and the cam pointed to a group of korean kids who were caressing one another. Must have been a lot of downtime in there waiting for games, pass the time with a little snuggling?
Hokay
Profile Joined May 2007
United States738 Posts
January 30 2011 19:32 GMT
#118
On January 31 2011 03:53 Turgid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2011 03:52 Hokay wrote:
On January 31 2011 03:19 awu25 wrote:
On January 31 2011 01:44 Foxt wrote:
I dont understand what is the point of letting some people exclusive right to just skip qualifiers for tournament?

And what is the point also, with that people can choose who they can fight against?

And this whole concept of code A and code S?

What the hell kind of tournament GSL is? this is just ridicilous

Real tournament would not be about club of elitists who dont need to play their way to up.

Real tournament would be tournament, where people need to actually PLAY their all the way from bottom to up.

apparently you've never watched the OSL or MSL
in a game like Starcraft where upsets can happen very often
we would see former champions dropping out in qualifiers a lot and thus viewership would go down


All for the viewers huh? That's pretty pathetic imo, but understandable from a business point of view so I don't really care that Gom is doing this since it's helping the SC2 scene grow over there. However, I still believe a tournament is suppose to decide who are the best players, not be a popularity contest giving out free golden tickets to bypass qualifiers.


Seeding is done for players who have proven themselves in numerous 1v1 competitions, I believe.


Not really.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=182139

and no i am not up in arms, just pointing out that a tournament like GSL loses some prestigious points as a legit tournament. A tournament should be structured to determine who the best player is in a reasonable amount of time (of course you can't have BO7 every match). Seeding is fine, but the way they picked the code a invites was terrible and not fair to the rest of the competition.
Adebisi
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1637 Posts
January 30 2011 19:34 GMT
#119
Kinda disappointing only the seeded players got through D:, I'm sure next month with a bunch of the best practicing in the GOM house it will go better!
arterian
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1157 Posts
January 30 2011 19:34 GMT
#120
yeah HuK!
http://www.twitch.tv/arterian
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