As some of you know from carefoots stream. Today was the GSL qualifiers.
The following players played in the qualifiers today:
VTSpades VTLaneir FXOBoSs caRn VTTorch Artosis
I don't know all the results exactly, however the following is what I know.
FXOBoSs 1-2 VTLaneir out 0-2 VTSpades out 0-2 vs a guy in The SCV life caRn out 0-2 VTTorch lost in his pool grandfinal (missing out on code A by 1 spot) Artosis was playing well, but we left at the time. I know he won his first game?
Everyone had a great time. We got to meet NESTEA, BOXER, MVP, MKP, oGsHero, oGsJ
I must admit, the level of play was HUGE at the event. But I would strongly suggest ANY foreigner player to go to Korea for the event. You really don't know e-Sports until you are in Korea. The training levels, the competition etc is so motivational. We all agree on this.
Our assumptions are that, rather being good, you have to be solid and consistent to get into GSL. You have to be able to win time and time again vs any strategy. Being an all in player, or a cheeser, you will not get to the point you will get into code A. Which is contrary to popular belief. We saw cheesers make 2nd 3rd round, only to get smashed by one guy who plays his strats differently. You really do have to be a solid player.
For those wondering what happened to the liquid boys and glade.
Ret, Haypro, FXOmOOnGLaDe and Huk all got seeds in code A. They will indeed do well I think.
I look forward to seeing the artosis interviews that will come up, and I also look forward to seeing more foreigners in Korea its really necessary to make e-Sports competitive in places outside of Korea.
Thanks to all the fans of FXO, VT, and the random guys who sat and watched carefoots stream.
Oh, and if you want an FXO shirt, we will be making 100 of them with FXOFanBoy and FXOFanGirl on the back and giving them away on our stream in March (not the upcoming tourny but the one after).
Ohhhhhh nice. I will be sad if anyone of them dies to some retarded 1-2 base all in, expecting HuK to go far. And Ret obviously, but he's already proven himself in the GSL.
Artosis didn't qualify? Damn, was rooting for him. I guess Tasteless didn't try/qualify either? They have such good knowledge of the game, but aren't getting enough time to put it into practice I imagine.
On January 30 2011 23:17 LetoAtreides82 wrote: That's a bit embarrassing. The results make it look like the only way foreigners can get in is if they are given a special pass.
Well the people that tried to qualify are not the best we have to offer. They are good ofcourse, but they are not the best in EU/NA.
After seeing his last post being "Apparently I play oGsGGoMa first round. Wish I was using Terran in this tour lol " and no updates after that... I could only assume the worst.
I hope GOM doesnt set the brackets for foreigner kill this season.
On January 30 2011 23:17 LetoAtreides82 wrote: That's a bit embarrassing. The results make it look like the only way foreigners can get in is if they are given a special pass.
Top 192 in korea vs myself, who plays maybe 8 games a week....... Laneir who is a manager (and I beat 2-0).
There were limited spots, I have no doubt that 3/4 of the seeded players would have gotten through, its just more gaurenteed if its done this way.
Plenty of players from NA and europe could have challenged for the top spots. But really, can't be upset losing to a top 192 player from Korea.. I honestly dont think anyone in the whole net cafe had APM under 200, and everyone was very good. 80% of players had oGs or MVP jackets on...
Your comment makes a bit upset actually just because it is kind of obvious that you don't know exactly whats going on and the processes of GSL.. Spades lost to a guy in TSL, you know the same team as Julyzerg? august? And the guy did a hybrid strategy which none of us had seen before.
5 forgiengers vs 200 koreans, no suprise that they didn't make it tbh. I'm sure they can keep up with the koreans but the odds are just always stacked against them.
I have no doubt if/when players like Sjow, whitera, demuslim, et al get their butts over there that we will see more and more foreigners make it in. We just need some force of numbers!
When there are more like 10-20 foreigners out there practicing alongside their korean counterparts we will get one or two in.
On January 30 2011 23:17 LetoAtreides82 wrote: That's a bit embarrassing. The results make it look like the only way foreigners can get in is if they are given a special pass.
Top 192 in korea vs myself, who plays maybe 8 games a week....... Laneir who is a manager (and I beat 2-0).
There were limited spots, I have no doubt that 3/4 of the seeded players would have gotten through, its just more gaurenteed if its done this way.
Plenty of players from NA and europe could have challenged for the top spots. But really, can't be upset losing to a top 192 player from Korea.. I honestly dont think anyone in the whole net cafe had APM under 200, and everyone was very good. 80% of players had oGs or MVP jackets on...
Your comment makes a bit upset actually just because it is kind of obvious that you don't know exactly whats going on and the processes of GSL.. Spades lost to a guy in TSL, you know the same team as Julyzerg? august? And the guy did a hybrid strategy which none of us had seen before.
Like... grr.
Unless Julyzerg has hopped teams very recently, he's not on TSL. He's on ST. The same goes for August.
On January 30 2011 23:17 LetoAtreides82 wrote: That's a bit embarrassing. The results make it look like the only way foreigners can get in is if they are given a special pass.
Top 192 in korea vs myself, who plays maybe 8 games a week....... Laneir who is a manager (and I beat 2-0).
There were limited spots, I have no doubt that 3/4 of the seeded players would have gotten through, its just more gaurenteed if its done this way.
Plenty of players from NA and europe could have challenged for the top spots. But really, can't be upset losing to a top 192 player from Korea.. I honestly dont think anyone in the whole net cafe had APM under 200, and everyone was very good. 80% of players had oGs or MVP jackets on...
Your comment makes a bit upset actually just because it is kind of obvious that you don't know exactly whats going on and the processes of GSL.. Spades lost to a guy in TSL, you know the same team as Julyzerg? august? And the guy did a hybrid strategy which none of us had seen before.
Like... grr.
Unless Julyzerg has hopped teams very recently, he's not on TSL. He's on ST. The same goes for August.
TSL is a more impressive team anyway - Fruitdealer, Trickster (aka Tester/Seo Ki Soo), Killer (aka Sangho), etc.
I always thought Season 1's intro was the coolest and the production, like the camera, was so amateurish compared to how it is now.
It's so sad that Torch was ONE STEP AWAY from getting the Code A... and also losing to sadZenith back then? I'm pretty sure he could stomp over him if he had the chance to rematch in the current state of the game...
On January 30 2011 23:17 LetoAtreides82 wrote: That's a bit embarrassing. The results make it look like the only way foreigners can get in is if they are given a special pass.
Top 192 in korea vs myself, who plays maybe 8 games a week....... Laneir who is a manager (and I beat 2-0).
On January 30 2011 23:17 LetoAtreides82 wrote: That's a bit embarrassing. The results make it look like the only way foreigners can get in is if they are given a special pass.
Top 192 in korea vs myself, who plays maybe 8 games a week....... Laneir who is a manager (and I beat 2-0).
why would you go to korea if you only play 8 games a week.
..because he is the manager of the team which Moonglade is on. Moonglade got one of the seeded Code A positions.
On January 31 2011 00:19 Esel wrote: i think artosis would had a problem playing in the gsl since he has a contract with gomtv to cast these games
He played in GSL1, and they replaced him for that one game with another caster. Similarly, when Tasteless and Artosis went to Blizzcon, they were replaced for 2-3 days of casting in the R064/32 of GSL2.
Our assumptions are that, rather being good, you have to be solid and consistent to get into GSL. You have to be able to win time and time again vs any strategy. Being an all in player, or a cheeser, you will not get to the point you will get into code A. Which is contrary to popular belief. We saw cheesers make 2nd 3rd round, only to get smashed by one guy who plays his strats differently. You really do have to be a solid player.
I am very glad to hear that!
IMO solid, consistent players (see Jinro) are way more fun to watch, than one trick ponys. We did see a significant failure rate for cheesers/all-inners this season (GSL 2011 January), I'm glad the system is weeding them out.
Will Ret play this season as Zerg or Terran? I saw on CatZ stream a couple of days ago that he was training Terran because he had no future as Zerg in Korea.
On January 31 2011 00:34 Termit wrote: Will Ret play this season as Zerg or Terran? I saw on CatZ stream a couple of days ago that he was training Terran because he had no future as Zerg in Korea.
Artosis played P and he is good for someone who doesn't play ....
The reason I played in GSL, was to bring analysis to the foreigners, so that hopefully people will understand that if they do come, they wont get stomped. Not to mention the life experiences it entales.
Its rather disappointing that some of the greater players from outside of Korea are too lazy/wont make the effort/cant be bothered or simply havent got the support, to come to korea, arent here...
I could list maybe 30 players-50 players who would challenge for spots in code A. On top of that, the likelyhood of being picked up by a team is huge. The game is fresh ppl are always on the look out for new talent.
On January 31 2011 00:34 Termit wrote: Will Ret play this season as Zerg or Terran? I saw on CatZ stream a couple of days ago that he was training Terran because he had no future as Zerg in Korea.
Its rather disappointing that some of the greater players from outside of Korea are too lazy/wont make the effort/cant be bothered or simply havent got the support, to come to korea, arent here...
Foreigner seeding and GOM foreigner house will certainly help with that!
Thanks for being so informative/supportive, FXOpen!
I always thought Season 1's intro was the coolest and the production, like the camera, was so amateurish compared to how it is now.
It's so sad that Torch was ONE STEP AWAY from getting the Code A... and also losing to sadZenith back then? I'm pretty sure he could stomp over him if he had the chance to rematch in the current state of the game...
Oh well... always next season...
S1 was the best one! How everybody can forget Tester vs Hyperdub set1 and Tester vs NEXFreeSaGa set3 and Polt vs MC set2... Best games by far I've ever seen!!! Oh, I need to go watch em again now =D
On January 30 2011 23:17 LetoAtreides82 wrote: That's a bit embarrassing. The results make it look like the only way foreigners can get in is if they are given a special pass.
Top 192 in korea vs myself, who plays maybe 8 games a week....... Laneir who is a manager (and I beat 2-0).
There were limited spots, I have no doubt that 3/4 of the seeded players would have gotten through, its just more gaurenteed if its done this way.
Plenty of players from NA and europe could have challenged for the top spots. But really, can't be upset losing to a top 192 player from Korea.. I honestly dont think anyone in the whole net cafe had APM under 200, and everyone was very good. 80% of players had oGs or MVP jackets on...
Your comment makes a bit upset actually just because it is kind of obvious that you don't know exactly whats going on and the processes of GSL.. Spades lost to a guy in TSL, you know the same team as Julyzerg? august? And the guy did a hybrid strategy which none of us had seen before.
Like... grr.
The results really do look that way... We know better, but the results, and the seeds in particular, make it look like foreigners need a pass in order to qualify.
I think Ret is easily good enough for Code A (better than most of the Code A players from last season for sure), but he just got knocked back to the qualification tournament. It's like they're saying "Don't worry, we really want foreigners to play, so you're back in." Haypro is good, but... The way this is set up, people are going to assume he's one of the top 6 foreign players (4 seeds + Jinro & IdrA).
I'm not trying to talk crap about any of these players. They're all much much better than me. I just hope people don't think the seeded players are necessarily the best non-Koreans.
Imagine if they had let the 4 seeded players qualify, and picked 4 other top foreigners to get seeds. We'd probably still have Ret and Huk in Code A (maybe moonglade and haypro), and there would be 4 other very talented foreigners competing.
Correct. However, its up to the players to push to get to Korea so that one day the "top 4 foreigners'' are the ones being seeded.
To be honest, there was almost a situation where the seeds disappeared, because alot of players who said they were coming, didn't. So the number of foreigners left was minimal at best.
Although I have odd opinions, as I am not the most social and politically correct person. But I think alot of people need to pull their finger out if they plan on being sponsored and playing at the worlds biggest lans. Because the experience of GSL qualification is so much more valuable than any practice on NA/SEA/EU/RU.
On January 30 2011 23:17 LetoAtreides82 wrote: That's a bit embarrassing. The results make it look like the only way foreigners can get in is if they are given a special pass.
Top 192 in korea vs myself, who plays maybe 8 games a week....... Laneir who is a manager (and I beat 2-0).
There were limited spots, I have no doubt that 3/4 of the seeded players would have gotten through, its just more gaurenteed if its done this way.
Plenty of players from NA and europe could have challenged for the top spots. But really, can't be upset losing to a top 192 player from Korea.. I honestly dont think anyone in the whole net cafe had APM under 200, and everyone was very good. 80% of players had oGs or MVP jackets on...
Your comment makes a bit upset actually just because it is kind of obvious that you don't know exactly whats going on and the processes of GSL.. Spades lost to a guy in TSL, you know the same team as Julyzerg? august? And the guy did a hybrid strategy which none of us had seen before.
Like... grr.
The results really do look that way... We know better, but the results, and the seeds in particular, make it look like foreigners need a pass in order to qualify.
I think Ret is easily good enough for Code A (better than most of the Code A players from last season for sure), but he just got knocked back to the qualification tournament. It's like they're saying "Don't worry, we really want foreigners to play, so you're back in." Haypro is good, but... The way this is set up, people are going to assume he's one of the top 6 foreign players (4 seeds + Jinro & IdrA).
I'm not trying to talk crap about any of these players. They're all much much better than me. I just hope people don't think the seeded players are necessarily the best non-Koreans.
Imagine if they had let the 4 seeded players qualify, and picked 4 other top foreigners to get seeds. We'd probably still have Ret and Huk in Code A (maybe moonglade and haypro), and there would be 4 other very talented foreigners competing.
But the 4 players were likely chosen from this thread. It's a process heavily influenced by the players and not just GOM picking who they think is best. Also, Nazgul recommended that people vote for those people who can travel and stay in Korea (or are already there) so that votes don't get wasted on people who have other obligations.
On January 31 2011 01:12 FXOpen wrote: Correct. However, its up to the players to push to get to Korea so that one day the "top 4 foreigners'' are the ones being seeded.
I like this sentiment, but then I don't understand why they even thought about seeds to begin with. The only reason seeds made sense in the first place was that they were trying to draw specific top players (rather than promote the best players that had already made the move). Maybe it really was all about marketing, but that doesn't bode well for an organization trying to host a legitimate tournament. It sort of undermines the whole process.
They are making a tonne if not most of there income from foreigner subscriptions, they don't even need sponsors they could foot the whole bill themselves for the next 2 years with the subscription money they have gotten so far.
Giving foreign players seeds into Code A is a good thing for them financially. But its a bad thing 'morally' as Korean Code A had to earn there spots and any foreign seed didn't earn there spot regardless if we think they deserve one due to their skill.
The better option would be to do a massive league system to get into Code.A then at least random luck wouldn't keep good players out and the overall quality would be better; at least in theory.
I think the seeding thing is a good thing for boosting the scene overall though as if the best players willing to go to korea go then there will be more chances for new players to rise up and get noticed.
So... people are now up in arms about foreigners seeded in Code A? Is that what people are getting at, or is it just me who woke up from my sleep in the morning?
On January 31 2011 01:25 Meteora.GB wrote: So... people are now up in arms about foreigners seeded in Code A? Is that what people are getting at, or is it just me who woke up from my sleep in the morning?
People are now up in arms about foreigners being too lazy to bother trying to get into GSL
On January 31 2011 01:21 Adeeler wrote: They are making a tonne if not most of there income from foreigner subscriptions, they don't even need sponsors they could foot the whole bill themselves for the next 2 years with the subscription money they have gotten so far.
Source?
Unless you know their costs and earnings, I'm calling that wild speculation
On January 31 2011 01:25 Meteora.GB wrote: So... people are now up in arms about foreigners seeded in Code A? Is that what people are getting at, or is it just me who woke up from my sleep in the morning?
Nono, people are just sad that the only players in Code A are the ones who got seeded directly into it. Would have been nice to have a few foreigners make it through the qualifiers and get in on their own merit (not that the guys invited wouldn't deserve to be there)
On January 31 2011 01:21 Adeeler wrote: They are making a tonne if not most of there income from foreigner subscriptions, they don't even need sponsors they could foot the whole bill themselves for the next 2 years with the subscription money they have gotten so far.
Giving foreign players seeds into Code A is a good thing for them financially. But its a bad thing 'morally' as Korean Code A had to earn there spots and any foreign seed didn't earn there spot regardless if we think they deserve one due to their skill.
The better option would be to do a massive league system to get into Code.A then at least random luck wouldn't keep good players out and the overall quality would be better; at least in theory.
I think the seeding thing is a good thing for boosting the scene overall though as if the best players willing to go to korea go then there will be more chances for new players to rise up and get noticed.
This may be true but they are doing it this way because of the possibility of a similar scenario as in BW. Koreans outgrew the foreigners in skill and the top foreigners just couldn't compete consistently with the top Korean players.
GOM is doing a fantastic job to interact with and support the foreign scene and they should continue doing so. It helps us but as well as the Koreans. Have you ever seen the BW pro's trying to learn and speak English to thank the foreigners? They are being more open. They are trying to get to foreign events as well. We as fans get to see our favourite players playing in EU and US more in the future. It would be really and truly sick when MLG opens up. I can already expect people like MVP/MC/NaDa/NesTea going to MLG and MLG even needs to try and get them.
I hope the 4 invitees atleast advances to the ro16 so that we can see 11! foreigners in the GSL after upcoming season.
WTF people. Chill out, torch didnt have a good day, Artosis recently switched races, and everyone else is new to the place. So give it time, both for players already there and for other tip players to be released from their current commitment in NA/EU/LA/SEA
On January 31 2011 00:34 Termit wrote: Will Ret play this season as Zerg or Terran? I saw on CatZ stream a couple of days ago that he was training Terran because he had no future as Zerg in Korea.
On January 30 2011 23:17 LetoAtreides82 wrote: That's a bit embarrassing. The results make it look like the only way foreigners can get in is if they are given a special pass.
Why don't you sit down on that chair over there? Jinro would like to have a word with you.
eh it happens all the time. In OSL/MSL, the previous winners can basically choose other people's group. Like you can choose to have your biggest rival to have his nemesis. Or even the team you hate to have teamkills. It is just another way of seeding.
And the concept of Wild-card or Sponsors' picks are prevalent in many sports such as tennis and golf. Not something entirely new or bizzare.
That said, i thought there were more people coming. When will DeMuslim/Sjow/Brat_ok gonna come? I thought it will be this month's GSL. But apparently not. And Brat_ok are ready to go yes? If not why would they (goodgame.ru) even bother campaigning for him.
On January 31 2011 01:21 Adeeler wrote: They are making a tonne if not most of there income from foreigner subscriptions, they don't even need sponsors they could foot the whole bill themselves for the next 2 years with the subscription money they have gotten so far.
Giving foreign players seeds into Code A is a good thing for them financially. But its a bad thing 'morally' as Korean Code A had to earn there spots and any foreign seed didn't earn there spot regardless if we think they deserve one due to their skill.
The better option would be to do a massive league system to get into Code.A then at least random luck wouldn't keep good players out and the overall quality would be better; at least in theory.
I think the seeding thing is a good thing for boosting the scene overall though as if the best players willing to go to korea go then there will be more chances for new players to rise up and get noticed.
This may be true but they are doing it this way because of the possibility of a similar scenario as in BW. Koreans outgrew the foreigners in skill and the top foreigners just couldn't compete consistently with the top Korean players.
There's no way to substantiate this, but it makes little sense on its face. If their goal was to encourage foreigners to get better, why pick players already living in Korea, practicing with Korean teams, and (in the case of Ret) players who have already participated in Code A?
On January 30 2011 23:17 LetoAtreides82 wrote: That's a bit embarrassing. The results make it look like the only way foreigners can get in is if they are given a special pass.
Top 192 in korea vs myself, who plays maybe 8 games a week....... Laneir who is a manager (and I beat 2-0).
There were limited spots, I have no doubt that 3/4 of the seeded players would have gotten through, its just more gaurenteed if its done this way.
Plenty of players from NA and europe could have challenged for the top spots. But really, can't be upset losing to a top 192 player from Korea.. I honestly dont think anyone in the whole net cafe had APM under 200, and everyone was very good. 80% of players had oGs or MVP jackets on...
Your comment makes a bit upset actually just because it is kind of obvious that you don't know exactly whats going on and the processes of GSL.. Spades lost to a guy in TSL, you know the same team as Julyzerg? august? And the guy did a hybrid strategy which none of us had seen before.
Like... grr.
Hey, I wish you and the rest of your team best of luck in Korea, but your "192 vs 6" argument doesn't really work because qualifying for Code A isn't a random drawing and everything is 1v1. If those players are good enough, and they are consistent like you said yourself, they will make it in. They weren't the very best in the foreigner scene, but do note that around roughly 60 best Koreans weren't there either because they already have code S or A spots.
July is in ST, not TSL. I also think that APM 200 and 80% oGs or MVP thing is a bit of an exaggeration because not that many people in Code S and A have over 200 average APM while oGs and MVP don't have that many people. Well, I guess they could just have been wearing those jackets.
I hope this post didn't upset you because I didn't mean to, but I can come off as a bit too frank for my own good sometimes. I think it's awesome that you guys are there trying for GSL and I would be happy to see any of those guys who failed to qualify this time have more success next time around.
On January 31 2011 01:44 Foxt wrote: I dont understand what is the point of letting some people exclusive right to just skip qualifiers for tournament?
And what is the point also, with that people can choose who they can fight against?
And this whole concept of code A and code S?
What the hell kind of tournament GSL is? this is just ridicilous
Real tournament would not be about club of elitists who dont need to play their way to up.
Real tournament would be tournament, where people need to actually PLAY their all the way from bottom to up.
It's a tradition that goes back to Brood War. There has always been qualifiers. You've never heard of the Courage tournaments?
On January 30 2011 23:17 LetoAtreides82 wrote: That's a bit embarrassing. The results make it look like the only way foreigners can get in is if they are given a special pass.
Top 192 in korea vs myself, who plays maybe 8 games a week....... Laneir who is a manager (and I beat 2-0).
There were limited spots, I have no doubt that 3/4 of the seeded players would have gotten through, its just more gaurenteed if its done this way.
Plenty of players from NA and europe could have challenged for the top spots. But really, can't be upset losing to a top 192 player from Korea.. I honestly dont think anyone in the whole net cafe had APM under 200, and everyone was very good. 80% of players had oGs or MVP jackets on...
Your comment makes a bit upset actually just because it is kind of obvious that you don't know exactly whats going on and the processes of GSL.. Spades lost to a guy in TSL, you know the same team as Julyzerg? august? And the guy did a hybrid strategy which none of us had seen before.
Like... grr.
Hey, I wish you and the rest of your team best of luck in Korea, but your "192 vs 6" argument doesn't really work because qualifying for Code A isn't a random drawing and everything is 1v1. If those players are good enough, and they are consistent like you said yourself, they will make it in. They weren't the very best in the foreigner scene, but do note that around roughly 60 best Koreans weren't there either because they already have code S or A spots.
July is in ST, not TSL. I also think that APM 200 and 80% oGs or MVP thing is a bit of an exaggeration because not that many people in Code S and A have over 200 average APM while oGs and MVP don't have that many people. Well, I guess they could just have been wearing those jackets.
I hope this post didn't upset you because I didn't mean to, but I can come off as a bit too frank for my own good sometimes. I think it's awesome that you guys are there trying for GSL and I would be happy to see any of those guys who failed to qualify this time have more success next time around.
Watching carefoot's stream, it seems there were tons of people wearing oGs jackets. I remember hearing that not all members live in the team house. I think they have a large group.
On January 31 2011 01:21 Adeeler wrote: They are making a tonne if not most of there income from foreigner subscriptions, they don't even need sponsors they could foot the whole bill themselves for the next 2 years with the subscription money they have gotten so far.
Giving foreign players seeds into Code A is a good thing for them financially. But its a bad thing 'morally' as Korean Code A had to earn there spots and any foreign seed didn't earn there spot regardless if we think they deserve one due to their skill.
The better option would be to do a massive league system to get into Code.A then at least random luck wouldn't keep good players out and the overall quality would be better; at least in theory.
I think the seeding thing is a good thing for boosting the scene overall though as if the best players willing to go to korea go then there will be more chances for new players to rise up and get noticed.
This may be true but they are doing it this way because of the possibility of a similar scenario as in BW. Koreans outgrew the foreigners in skill and the top foreigners just couldn't compete consistently with the top Korean players.
There's no way to substantiate this, but it makes little sense on its face. If their goal was to encourage foreigners to get better, why pick players already living in Korea, practicing with Korean teams, and (in the case of Ret) players who have already participated in Code A?
Isn't it already obvious? They'd have to invite 4 foreigners who need to be 100% sure to come to Korea and in less than 2 weeks to arrange everything. Sure there is a GOM house but they don't have computers and such. If you want to get invited then get to Korea first. There is no point in inviting someone who isn't sure to come.
The invited players are ALREADY in Korea. Look at moonglade. I bet that the majority didn't see that invite coming. But why would he be invited? Well he's already in Korea and he's been performing top200 in KR and I don't see any other foreigner in Korea that is performing well on the ladder besides those who got invited.
i dont understand, they're giving 4 code A spots to foreigners, u people are making it sound like they're giving away the GSL code S championship trophy for free or something.
why do they do it? to attract more people to follow code A tournaments. its a business decision for sure, but its not like they're giving them out to random scrubs who happen to not be korean.
On January 31 2011 02:07 zev318 wrote: i dont understand, they're giving 4 code A spots to foreigners, u people are making it sound like they're giving away the GSL code S championship trophy for free or something.
why do they do it? to attract more people to follow code A tournaments. its a business decision for sure, but its not like they're giving them out to random scrubs who happen to not be korean.
Not only that, but I think everybody should have the understanding there is a sacrifice to go to the gsl. It's not some online event where hundreds of foreigners would compete with hundreds of Koreans and the best would remain standing to take those 16 spots. It takes a commitment to go to Korea just to compete, and it's not easy for people if they lose 1 month to just say "oh well, I'll come back next qualification for another shot."
While it might not be "fair" that people automatically got seeded into code A, I have no problem with the situation. If they want foreign participation and whatnot, Gom needs to throw a bone to the community. That's what they've done and I applaud them for continuing to reach out to us.
On January 31 2011 01:21 Adeeler wrote: They are making a tonne if not most of there income from foreigner subscriptions, they don't even need sponsors they could foot the whole bill themselves for the next 2 years with the subscription money they have gotten so far.
Giving foreign players seeds into Code A is a good thing for them financially. But its a bad thing 'morally' as Korean Code A had to earn there spots and any foreign seed didn't earn there spot regardless if we think they deserve one due to their skill.
The better option would be to do a massive league system to get into Code.A then at least random luck wouldn't keep good players out and the overall quality would be better; at least in theory.
I think the seeding thing is a good thing for boosting the scene overall though as if the best players willing to go to korea go then there will be more chances for new players to rise up and get noticed.
This may be true but they are doing it this way because of the possibility of a similar scenario as in BW. Koreans outgrew the foreigners in skill and the top foreigners just couldn't compete consistently with the top Korean players.
There's no way to substantiate this, but it makes little sense on its face. If their goal was to encourage foreigners to get better, why pick players already living in Korea, practicing with Korean teams, and (in the case of Ret) players who have already participated in Code A?
Isn't it already obvious? They'd have to invite 4 foreigners who need to be 100% sure to come to Korea and in less than 2 weeks to arrange everything. Sure there is a GOM house but they don't have computers and such. If you want to get invited then get to Korea first. There is no point in inviting someone who isn't sure to come.
The invited players are ALREADY in Korea. Look at moonglade. I bet that the majority didn't see that invite coming. But why would he be invited? Well he's already in Korea and he's been performing top200 in KR and I don't see any other foreigner in Korea that is performing well on the ladder besides those who got invited.
wasn't SeleCt in korea already? i would have prefered him getting an invitation, I think he could do better than moonglade, and we would have a terran foreigner invited, so the races were more even (maybe SeleCt doesn't count as a foreigner for them? :S)
On January 31 2011 01:21 Adeeler wrote: They are making a tonne if not most of there income from foreigner subscriptions, they don't even need sponsors they could foot the whole bill themselves for the next 2 years with the subscription money they have gotten so far.
Giving foreign players seeds into Code A is a good thing for them financially. But its a bad thing 'morally' as Korean Code A had to earn there spots and any foreign seed didn't earn there spot regardless if we think they deserve one due to their skill.
The better option would be to do a massive league system to get into Code.A then at least random luck wouldn't keep good players out and the overall quality would be better; at least in theory.
I think the seeding thing is a good thing for boosting the scene overall though as if the best players willing to go to korea go then there will be more chances for new players to rise up and get noticed.
This may be true but they are doing it this way because of the possibility of a similar scenario as in BW. Koreans outgrew the foreigners in skill and the top foreigners just couldn't compete consistently with the top Korean players.
There's no way to substantiate this, but it makes little sense on its face. If their goal was to encourage foreigners to get better, why pick players already living in Korea, practicing with Korean teams, and (in the case of Ret) players who have already participated in Code A?
Isn't it already obvious? They'd have to invite 4 foreigners who need to be 100% sure to come to Korea and in less than 2 weeks to arrange everything. Sure there is a GOM house but they don't have computers and such. If you want to get invited then get to Korea first. There is no point in inviting someone who isn't sure to come.
The invited players are ALREADY in Korea. Look at moonglade. I bet that the majority didn't see that invite coming. But why would he be invited? Well he's already in Korea and he's been performing top200 in KR and I don't see any other foreigner in Korea that is performing well on the ladder besides those who got invited.
wasn't SeleCt in korea already? i would have prefered him getting an invitation, I think he could do better than moonglade, and we would have a terran foreigner invited, so the races were more even (maybe SeleCt doesn't count as a foreigner for them? :S)
On January 31 2011 02:12 Pudge_172 wrote: Golf tournaments and Track and Field events always give sponsor exemptions and/or appearance fees to players they want to play.
I see the 4 foreigners getting seeded into Code A to be a very similar situation to the Golf/Track and Field thing.
You want to increase foreign viewers, you assure some foreign players are available for them to watch.
On January 31 2011 01:21 Adeeler wrote: They are making a tonne if not most of there income from foreigner subscriptions, they don't even need sponsors they could foot the whole bill themselves for the next 2 years with the subscription money they have gotten so far.
Giving foreign players seeds into Code A is a good thing for them financially. But its a bad thing 'morally' as Korean Code A had to earn there spots and any foreign seed didn't earn there spot regardless if we think they deserve one due to their skill.
The better option would be to do a massive league system to get into Code.A then at least random luck wouldn't keep good players out and the overall quality would be better; at least in theory.
I think the seeding thing is a good thing for boosting the scene overall though as if the best players willing to go to korea go then there will be more chances for new players to rise up and get noticed.
This may be true but they are doing it this way because of the possibility of a similar scenario as in BW. Koreans outgrew the foreigners in skill and the top foreigners just couldn't compete consistently with the top Korean players.
There's no way to substantiate this, but it makes little sense on its face. If their goal was to encourage foreigners to get better, why pick players already living in Korea, practicing with Korean teams, and (in the case of Ret) players who have already participated in Code A?
Isn't it already obvious? They'd have to invite 4 foreigners who need to be 100% sure to come to Korea and in less than 2 weeks to arrange everything. Sure there is a GOM house but they don't have computers and such. If you want to get invited then get to Korea first. There is no point in inviting someone who isn't sure to come.
The invited players are ALREADY in Korea. Look at moonglade. I bet that the majority didn't see that invite coming. But why would he be invited? Well he's already in Korea and he's been performing top200 in KR and I don't see any other foreigner in Korea that is performing well on the ladder besides those who got invited.
wasn't SeleCt in korea already? i would have prefered him getting an invitation, I think he could do better than moonglade, and we would have a terran foreigner invited, so the races were more even (maybe SeleCt doesn't count as a foreigner for them? :S)
I thought SeleCt is in the US for studies. He did try to participate for GSL3 I think though. Not sure how his conditions are now whether or not he can try GSL.
On January 31 2011 02:12 Pudge_172 wrote: Golf tournaments and Track and Field events always give sponsor exemptions and/or appearance fees to players they want to play.
I see the 4 foreigners getting seeded into Code A to be a very similar situation to the Golf/Track and Field thing.
You want to increase foreign viewers, you assure some foreign players are available for them to watch.
Untrue, please look at players games
I have no idea what you mean.
edit: Are you trying to tell people to cheer for players only based 100% on their play skill and things they've shown during games, and nothing else? lol, good luck with that if that's what you're getting at.
On January 31 2011 02:12 Pudge_172 wrote: Golf tournaments and Track and Field events always give sponsor exemptions and/or appearance fees to players they want to play.
I see the 4 foreigners getting seeded into Code A to be a very similar situation to the Golf/Track and Field thing.
You want to increase foreign viewers, you assure some foreign players are available for them to watch.
Untrue, please look at players games
I have no idea what you mean as you made no sense with this post.
Foreign viewers do tune in more to watch foreign players, just as more viewers tune in to watch a golf tournament that has Tiger Woods in it or a T&F event that has whoever is the top T&F person at the time who wouldn't attend without their $20,000 appearance fee.
On January 31 2011 02:29 Zocat wrote: So - Moonglade is living in the GOM foreigner house alone? All other Code A invitees are living in the oGs-TL house.
Or do the guys who tried to qualify (but failed) live in the house? If so, how long are they allowed to stay?
I think Torch is also at the foreigner house along with John? He won't be alone.
On January 30 2011 23:17 LetoAtreides82 wrote: That's a bit embarrassing. The results make it look like the OnlyWay foreigners can get in is if they are given a Special pass.
Like... grr.
wait, wait, are you trying to say Grrrr... is playing in this GSL? (or trying to at any rate?)
I dont understand why people should be allowed to pick their opponents? this allows people shamelessly abuse this and pick people who are no challenge and thus makes the whole tournament meaningless.
On January 30 2011 23:17 LetoAtreides82 wrote: That's a bit embarrassing. The results make it look like the only way foreigners can get in is if they are given a special pass.
Top 192 in korea vs myself, who plays maybe 8 games a week....... Laneir who is a manager (and I beat 2-0).
There were limited spots, I have no doubt that 3/4 of the seeded players would have gotten through, its just more gaurenteed if its done this way.
Plenty of players from NA and europe could have challenged for the top spots. But really, can't be upset losing to a top 192 player from Korea.. I honestly dont think anyone in the whole net cafe had APM under 200, and everyone was very good. 80% of players had oGs or MVP jackets on...
Your comment makes a bit upset actually just because it is kind of obvious that you don't know exactly whats going on and the processes of GSL.. Spades lost to a guy in TSL, you know the same team as Julyzerg? august? And the guy did a hybrid strategy which none of us had seen before.
Like... grr.
Hey, I wish you and the rest of your team best of luck in Korea, but your "192 vs 6" argument doesn't really work because qualifying for Code A isn't a random drawing and everything is 1v1. If those players are good enough, and they are consistent like you said yourself, they will make it in. They weren't the very best in the foreigner scene, but do note that around roughly 60 best Koreans weren't there either because they already have code S or A spots.
July is in ST, not TSL. I also think that APM 200 and 80% oGs or MVP thing is a bit of an exaggeration because not that many people in Code S and A have over 200 average APM while oGs and MVP don't have that many people. Well, I guess they could just have been wearing those jackets.
I hope this post didn't upset you because I didn't mean to, but I can come off as a bit too frank for my own good sometimes. I think it's awesome that you guys are there trying for GSL and I would be happy to see any of those guys who failed to qualify this time have more success next time around.
He's not making a top 192 vs 6 argument. He's making a top 192 vs. a lower-caliber player argument. He's saying top 192 in Korea is a lot better than him and therefore he wasn't likely to make it. Also, these foreginers weren't anywhere near the a good representation of the foreigner scene. I don't think most people expected any of them to make it.
200 apm is also embarrassingly for a Korean progamer. I don't doubt that virtually everyone had at least 200 apm. Even most Korean amateurs have 200 apm.
On January 31 2011 02:12 Pudge_172 wrote: Golf tournaments and Track and Field events always give sponsor exemptions and/or appearance fees to players they want to play.
I see the 4 foreigners getting seeded into Code A to be a very similar situation to the Golf/Track and Field thing.
You want to increase foreign viewers, you assure some foreign players are available for them to watch.
Untrue, please look at players games
I have no idea what you mean as you made no sense with this post.
Foreign viewers do tune in more to watch foreign players, just as more viewers tune in to watch a golf tournament that has Tiger Woods in it or a T&F event that has whoever is the top T&F person at the time who wouldn't attend without their $20,000 appearance fee.
Could you just please compare the skill level of an average code A player to these guys? please please please? And if they REALLY want more foreign viewers, they would throw invitation to BIG NAMES in NA/EU, they would, for example, throw a tourney with prize money for foreigners to compete for reserved slots, they would also, for example, extend invitation to fan favourites outside of Korea regardless of their current play.
On January 31 2011 02:18 I_Love_Bacon wrote: I have no idea what you mean.
edit: Are you trying to tell people to cheer for players only based 100% on their play skill and things they've shown during games, and nothing else? lol, good luck with that if that's what you're getting at.
I meant this is not Gold or Track&field, people get invitation based on merit not popularity among sponsorship/viewership
On January 31 2011 01:44 Foxt wrote: I dont understand what is the point of letting some people exclusive right to just skip qualifiers for tournament?
And what is the point also, with that people can choose who they can fight against?
And this whole concept of code A and code S?
What the hell kind of tournament GSL is? this is just ridicilous
Real tournament would not be about club of elitists who dont need to play their way to up.
Real tournament would be tournament, where people need to actually PLAY their all the way from bottom to up.
apparently you've never watched the OSL or MSL in a game like Starcraft where upsets can happen very often we would see former champions dropping out in qualifiers a lot and thus viewership would go down
Try to think of the 4 foreigners being seeded from the opposite view. If this was an American tournament or what ever your country is, I would be very happy to see us invite top koreans or top europeans and give them a free spot into code A. This helps gom so much, its unbelievable that people are whining about it.
And to the people whining about gom giving seeds to players already over there, thats just smart business as well. The trip to Korea plus leaving everything in your life on hold to go there is a pretty big decision. They are assuring these players will be in Korea and that they can play. It's not like they invited some scrubs off of ladder either. All are very deserving to be seeded.
I like how people routinely work off the assumption that luck doesn't play a huge role in SC2, it's a game of limited information where scouting 3 tiles to the right can win or lose you a game and positions can decide matches. You can play significantly worse than your opponent in nearly every respect and still beat them, this inherent luck factor means those who consistently perform well over a longer period of time should be preferred, but due to the 1 tournament a month thing in Korea it's much harder for that information to be attained for the top koreans that aren't in the GSL. That said it's probably not a great idea to limit it to foreigners, if koreans do well in foreign tournaments on a consistent basis they should be awarded the same privileges.
So basically only 10 foreigners showed up to qualifications. Out of the 10, GOM picked the likely best 4 players to seed and the other 6 had to go through actual qualification games. I guess the top 4 got lucky as they might have also dropped out.
On January 31 2011 01:44 Foxt wrote: I dont understand what is the point of letting some people exclusive right to just skip qualifiers for tournament?
And what is the point also, with that people can choose who they can fight against?
And this whole concept of code A and code S?
What the hell kind of tournament GSL is? this is just ridicilous
Real tournament would not be about club of elitists who dont need to play their way to up.
Real tournament would be tournament, where people need to actually PLAY their all the way from bottom to up.
apparently you've never watched the OSL or MSL in a game like Starcraft where upsets can happen very often we would see former champions dropping out in qualifiers a lot and thus viewership would go down
All for the viewers huh? That's pretty pathetic imo, but understandable from a business point of view so I don't really care that Gom is doing this since it's helping the SC2 scene grow over there. However, I still believe a tournament is suppose to decide who are the best players, not be a popularity contest giving out free golden tickets to bypass qualifiers.
On January 31 2011 01:44 Foxt wrote: I dont understand what is the point of letting some people exclusive right to just skip qualifiers for tournament?
And what is the point also, with that people can choose who they can fight against?
And this whole concept of code A and code S?
What the hell kind of tournament GSL is? this is just ridicilous
Real tournament would not be about club of elitists who dont need to play their way to up.
Real tournament would be tournament, where people need to actually PLAY their all the way from bottom to up.
apparently you've never watched the OSL or MSL in a game like Starcraft where upsets can happen very often we would see former champions dropping out in qualifiers a lot and thus viewership would go down
All for the viewers huh? That's pretty pathetic imo, but understandable from a business point of view so I don't really care that Gom is doing this since it's helping the SC2 scene grow over there. However, I still believe a tournament is suppose to decide who are the best players, not be a popularity contest giving out free golden tickets to bypass qualifiers.
Seeding is done for players who have proven themselves in numerous 1v1 competitions, I believe. For instance, tennis. No idea why you're so up in arms about this, or how you were unaware that this was done in many tournaments.
You can't play a Bo7 every single matchup in qualifiers to decide the true best player. It's easy to just cheese a champ out of the qualifiers and that would be terrible for the tournament. The current setup is very good
It's not like the foreigners in the qualifiers were all that accomplished. Spades, Torch, and Artosis are nowhere near the top of the foreigner scene. And torch and Artosis almost made it.
Next season hopefully people like sjow, white-ra, or naniwa get a spot in the GOM foreigner house.
On January 31 2011 04:05 ffadicted wrote: You can't play a Bo7 every single matchup in qualifiers to decide the true best player. It's easy to just cheese a champ out of the qualifiers and that would be terrible for the tournament. The current setup is very good
yeah. given the numbers that i guess turned up for this, it's a hard balance between what gives the best chance for the better players on the day to go through and what you can actually do logistically given the resources you have (i.e. time, number of pc's etc). i'd love more tourneys to run in a swiss style but i doubt that ever works in an offline event for reasons above
thx a lot for the vod post! i watched a lil bit of it all searching threw the ones with the most hits got some cool shots with boxer, mvp, nestea, artosis, torch, and many more :D
One of the videos tho seem kinda ... odd it was carefoot streaming and the cam pointed to a group of korean kids who were caressing one another. Must have been a lot of downtime in there waiting for games, pass the time with a little snuggling?
On January 31 2011 01:44 Foxt wrote: I dont understand what is the point of letting some people exclusive right to just skip qualifiers for tournament?
And what is the point also, with that people can choose who they can fight against?
And this whole concept of code A and code S?
What the hell kind of tournament GSL is? this is just ridicilous
Real tournament would not be about club of elitists who dont need to play their way to up.
Real tournament would be tournament, where people need to actually PLAY their all the way from bottom to up.
apparently you've never watched the OSL or MSL in a game like Starcraft where upsets can happen very often we would see former champions dropping out in qualifiers a lot and thus viewership would go down
All for the viewers huh? That's pretty pathetic imo, but understandable from a business point of view so I don't really care that Gom is doing this since it's helping the SC2 scene grow over there. However, I still believe a tournament is suppose to decide who are the best players, not be a popularity contest giving out free golden tickets to bypass qualifiers.
Seeding is done for players who have proven themselves in numerous 1v1 competitions, I believe.
and no i am not up in arms, just pointing out that a tournament like GSL loses some prestigious points as a legit tournament. A tournament should be structured to determine who the best player is in a reasonable amount of time (of course you can't have BO7 every match). Seeding is fine, but the way they picked the code a invites was terrible and not fair to the rest of the competition.
Kinda disappointing only the seeded players got through D:, I'm sure next month with a bunch of the best practicing in the GOM house it will go better!
On January 31 2011 01:44 Foxt wrote: I dont understand what is the point of letting some people exclusive right to just skip qualifiers for tournament?
And what is the point also, with that people can choose who they can fight against?
And this whole concept of code A and code S?
What the hell kind of tournament GSL is? this is just ridicilous
Real tournament would not be about club of elitists who dont need to play their way to up.
Real tournament would be tournament, where people need to actually PLAY their all the way from bottom to up.
apparently you've never watched the OSL or MSL in a game like Starcraft where upsets can happen very often we would see former champions dropping out in qualifiers a lot and thus viewership would go down
All for the viewers huh? That's pretty pathetic imo, but understandable from a business point of view so I don't really care that Gom is doing this since it's helping the SC2 scene grow over there. However, I still believe a tournament is suppose to decide who are the best players, not be a popularity contest giving out free golden tickets to bypass qualifiers.
Seeding is done for players who have proven themselves in numerous 1v1 competitions, I believe.
and no i am not up in arms, just pointing out that a tournament like GSL loses some prestigious points as a legit tournament. A tournament should be structured to determine who the best player is in a reasonable amount of time (of course you can't have BO7 every match). Seeding is fine, but the way they picked the code a invites was terrible and not fair to the rest of the competition.
That link doesn't prove anything about their method of choosing who gets the seeds.
On January 06 2011 15:02 JunkkaGom wrote: ...Your discussion will provide valuable feedback for us...
What's your point? They went through the qualifications legitimately and made it farther than any of the players who got free passes in. It's cool and all to talk down about certain players but at the end of the day they're Code S while Ret lost his 1st round Code A match and HuK failed to even qualify.
Dude those players arent taking up Code A spots... they're all in Code S. On top of that, anypro and especially choyafou are top players and are well respected. I wouldn't be too much of an Artosis goon, these players earned their spots in Code S as opposed to getting freebie passes.
He's saying that if those players are in Code S, then foreigners deserve to get Code A automatically.
Sorry to hear about Spades, Artosis, and TorcH, I was hoping they'd get in. Grats to the Liquid guys and Glade for making it in, I'm hoping they do well.
On January 31 2011 01:44 Foxt wrote: I dont understand what is the point of letting some people exclusive right to just skip qualifiers for tournament?
And what is the point also, with that people can choose who they can fight against?
And this whole concept of code A and code S?
What the hell kind of tournament GSL is? this is just ridicilous
Real tournament would not be about club of elitists who dont need to play their way to up.
Real tournament would be tournament, where people need to actually PLAY their all the way from bottom to up.
apparently you've never watched the OSL or MSL in a game like Starcraft where upsets can happen very often we would see former champions dropping out in qualifiers a lot and thus viewership would go down
All for the viewers huh? That's pretty pathetic imo, but understandable from a business point of view so I don't really care that Gom is doing this since it's helping the SC2 scene grow over there. However, I still believe a tournament is suppose to decide who are the best players, not be a popularity contest giving out free golden tickets to bypass qualifiers.
Seeding is done for players who have proven themselves in numerous 1v1 competitions, I believe.
and no i am not up in arms, just pointing out that a tournament like GSL loses some prestigious points as a legit tournament. A tournament should be structured to determine who the best player is in a reasonable amount of time (of course you can't have BO7 every match). Seeding is fine, but the way they picked the code a invites was terrible and not fair to the rest of the competition.
No, you misunderstood what I was saying. I'm saying tons of tournaments(for other games, such as tennis) seed players past preliminary rounds based on past performance. It's extremely common. It doesn't make the tournament illegitimate. All of the Code A foreigner invites are notable and at least somewhat accomplished(in Haypro's case).
On January 30 2011 23:17 LetoAtreides82 wrote: That's a bit embarrassing. The results make it look like the only way foreigners can get in is if they are given a special pass.
Idra and Jinro have already proven that is not completely true. We'll just have to see how Huk and Moonglade do and whether Ret or Haypro have improved.
Note that LiveForever is reporting for military duty from Code S and will be replaced by one of the Code A players who were bumped in the up&down matches.
This will leave an open slot in Code A and it will be filled by Yeah, so the final list will look slightly different.
It's a shame about Spades and Torch i was really hoping they would also make it
On January 31 2011 02:05 Geovu wrote: Also, Artosis said in a recent video that he was beating all the top Terran's with his Protoss, so I really want to know how he lost.
Maybe he lost to a zerg. Wouldn't that be.. (insert your own feeling here)? XD
On January 31 2011 02:05 Geovu wrote: Also, Artosis said in a recent video that he was beating all the top Terran's with his Protoss, so I really want to know how he lost.
Maybe he lost to a zerg. Wouldn't that be.. (insert your own feeling here)? XD
On January 31 2011 02:05 Geovu wrote: Also, Artosis said in a recent video that he was beating all the top Terran's with his Protoss, so I really want to know how he lost.
Maybe he lost to a zerg. Wouldn't that be.. (insert your own feeling here)? XD
4! im glad to see huk in there more canadians need to represent and Moonglade as well. Hopefully they all do well in Code A especially Ret Im looking forward to him moving up to code S soon.
What's your point? They went through the qualifications legitimately and made it farther than any of the players who got free passes in. It's cool and all to talk down about certain players but at the end of the day they're Code S while Ret lost his 1st round Code A match and HuK failed to even qualify.
I agree.
The only reason Gom is doing this is so they can get more foreign viewers. I think the foreign players are as good as most the players in code A and they will do well, but it certainly isn't legit.
What's your point? They went through the qualifications legitimately and made it farther than any of the players who got free passes in. It's cool and all to talk down about certain players but at the end of the day they're Code S while Ret lost his 1st round Code A match and HuK failed to even qualify.
I agree.
The only reason Gom is doing this is so they can get more foreign viewers. I think the foreign players are as good as most the players in code A and they will do well, but it certainly isn't legit.
Isn't legit? How so? They decide for themselves how you get into their tourney, they could do 100% invites for the seeds, zero qualifiers and it would still be "legit".
Also there is an obvious disadvantage for foreigners as they have to travel across half the world and live in a foreign country etc just to be able to even try to qualify. Foreigners and Koreans are not on equal ground to begin with.
lol@ the idiots doubting moonglade - your the type of trash who cant watch a replay and tell the skill of a player, your only measure is "did he win? (without cheesing)"
On January 31 2011 08:50 hagon wrote: lol@ the idiots doubting moonglade - your the type of trash who cant watch a replay and tell the skill of a player, your only measure is "did he win? (without cheesing)"
Yeah good thing moonglade proved himself today to all the doubters.
On January 31 2011 09:02 acie wrote: sjow and white-ra aren't in korea atm if you haven't noticed
Perhaps they would be if they had gotten an invite for Code A. The idea of the invites must surely be to get the best foreigners in to GSL, not a "Hello, thank you for coming to Korea!"
So should they save spots for foreigners who aren't even in Korea, only to risk them not showing up to play? What guarantee do they have that they would show?
On January 31 2011 08:50 hagon wrote: lol@ the idiots doubting moonglade - your the type of trash who cant watch a replay and tell the skill of a player, your only measure is "did he win? (without cheesing)"
Thank you for your measured, logical explanation of why you believe mOOnGLaDe will be successful in the GSL. Seriously, if your main argument is a vague and baseless attack on the analytical skills of others, find something else to say. Show some goddamn reasoning, don't just call the other side idiots and call it a day.
Most people aren't doubting mOOnGLaDe because they think he's a bad player. They're doubting him because other excellent players like HayprO, TorcH, KiWiKaKi iNcontrol, and arguably even Ret, have failed to achieve any significant success in the GSL. It's a really tough competition, and while Glade dominates SEA, he's had little direct competition with players from the rest of the world. He did defeat Loner and hold his own in a series against HuK, so I'm hopeful. Still, there's definitely cause to be unsure about how successful he'll be, so please don't just insult us all and assume we'll change our minds immediately. I mean, your only point (other than calling your opponents idiots) is that we only judge players based on how much they win, and not how well they play. mOONGLaDe has been overwhelmingly successful in most of the tournaments he's entered, so that's exactly the opposite of an accurate criticism. People know that he's won a lot at home, they're just unsure of how he'll do against tougher competition in Korea.
On January 31 2011 09:14 Tachion wrote: So should they save spots for foreigners who aren't even in Korea, only to risk them not showing up to play? What guarantee do they have that they would show?
I think the idea is to make sure they have passports and perhaps sign a contract to agree to show up. I thought actually that the whole point of the invitations was to make it less risky to participate in GSL as a foreigner, not just to inject foreigners into Code A.
I feel that their picks are fine since they are all good foreign players, but in the future I'd prefer it if they extended the invitation to people who wouldn't necessarily risk trying to qualify for Code A, but would come if they could guaranteed participate.
On January 31 2011 09:14 Tachion wrote: So should they save spots for foreigners who aren't even in Korea, only to risk them not showing up to play? What guarantee do they have that they would show?
It's been months since John announced there would be invites, that's a lot of time for a talks with the players. Give them on or two weeks to give a definite answer, if things look uncertain at the preliminaries day, give the spot to the highest ranked foreigner(like they did now). It can't be that hard.
GOM/John never said anything(afaik) about that the players need to live in Korea before getting an invite, it's of course silly.
edit: Just think what would have happened today if say Haypro hadn't been there. Honestly, Artosis would probably be next in line for an invite. Do you realize how stupid that would have been?
On January 31 2011 08:11 OverZero wrote: Anyone know anything about this Yeah that is replacing NEXLiveForever?
I think the Yeah is part of his sentence but it got picked up by the TLPD algorithm. The players from this thread are playing tonight to see who gets his spot.
On January 31 2011 01:44 Foxt wrote: I dont understand what is the point of letting some people exclusive right to just skip qualifiers for tournament?
And what is the point also, with that people can choose who they can fight against?
And this whole concept of code A and code S?
What the hell kind of tournament GSL is? this is just ridicilous
Real tournament would not be about club of elitists who dont need to play their way to up.
Real tournament would be tournament, where people need to actually PLAY their all the way from bottom to up.
Various sports use the same concepts....it ain't just a korean starcraft thing.
John has repeatedly said that you have to pay your own way to get to korea /have the courage to come to korea, so obviously they weren't sending out invites to come to korea but invites to the gsl. The fact of the matter is - you have to be in korea to join the gsl and those were the 4 best foreign players in korea at the time of the qualifier.
Actually, Tasteless is pretty awesome solo if you watch some of his early BW stuff for GOM like the invitational.
I think if top level players want a seed, they should go to Korea and commit. <EDIT: Even the best players need time to adapt to the culture/system there>
Also, moonglade should change his ID to a non-warcraft name.
You're asking people to uproot their lives to go live in korea and spend their lives training to become the best at a video game. While this may be fine to some people, for many it is not an option. Maybe you will see good players go for a month or two as a vacation/experience type thing, but very few will pull an Idra, dedicating their lives to playing Starcraft and living in korea.
On January 31 2011 09:52 QQmonster wrote: You're asking people to uproot their lives to go live in korea and spend their lives training to become the best at a video game. While this may be fine to some people, for many it is not an option. Maybe you will see good players go for a month or two as a vacation/experience type thing, but very few will pull an Idra, dedicating their lives to playing Starcraft and living in korea.
The very definition of being a PROfessional starcraft player is dedicating full time to playing starcraft. If you're not willing to do it, then don't turn pro. Just do it as a hobbie.
On January 31 2011 09:49 0neder wrote: Actually, Tasteless is pretty awesome solo if you watch some of his early BW stuff for GOM like the invitational.
I think if top level players want a seed, they should go to Korea and commit.
Also, moonglade should change his ID to a non-warcraft name.
Yea but i doubt he'll cast like he did back in the day when he was solo. But if we're gonna bring up GOM, then Tasteless and SDM would be the best combo. Too bad hes retired though
On January 31 2011 09:52 QQmonster wrote: You're asking people to uproot their lives to go live in korea and spend their lives training to become the best at a video game. While this may be fine to some people, for many it is not an option. Maybe you will see good players go for a month or two as a vacation/experience type thing, but very few will pull an Idra, dedicating their lives to playing Starcraft and living in korea.
The very definition of being a PROfessional starcraft player is dedicating full time to playing starcraft. If you're not willing to do it, then don't turn pro. Just do it as a hobbie.
they just dont want to do it in korea
sjow for example i think would like to go to korea but he wants to play europe tournaments too (IEM being often mentioned on his stream). so unless his team is willing to pay for his ticket/hotel/whatever back and forth from europe/korea, he has to pick one.
there was a discussion on LO3 today about why would u want to go to korea and possibly never win and have no income because the talent pool there is so high and there really isn't any weekly tournaments running. NA/europe always have tournaments running every weekend, you can stay in europe/NA, be comfortable and probably make more than u would moving to korea. if money isn't an issue to the players, im sure they'd like to go to korea.
On January 31 2011 08:11 OverZero wrote: Anyone know anything about this Yeah that is replacing NEXLiveForever?
I think the Yeah is part of his sentence but it got picked up by the TLPD algorithm. The players from this thread are playing tonight to see who gets his spot.
According to the LR thread Yeah has replaced ZeNEXLiveForever as he has been drafted to the military..
I love how people just assume anyone who plays starcraft and is good wants to go to Korea. People keep dropping names and it's like how do you even know the dude wants to go, or tried to get an invite? Even if a player says they'd love to go to Korea it doesn't mean that when it really comes time to do it they'd end up going. It is a pretty big commitment to move to another country to play a video game which you'll most likely not succeed at making a living at, living with a bunch of other dudes in a small apartment.
Most "pro" players by your definition are doing this as a hobby or are students something like that. There is a small percentage of the pros that are actually pros only playing starcraft as their primary means of making a living. And even those players are doing side things like giving lessons to earn income, it isn't just off of winning events there simply isn't enough money.
The fact that GOM is even putting in the effort to include foreign players in any way is great and I'm happy they are doing it. It is crazy to think they aren't taking it seriously and doing their research to figure out the best available players they can get, that will also drive ratings. They could be offering nothing to the foreign community at all, I'm happy they are attempting to provide the opportunities they are.
On January 31 2011 08:11 OverZero wrote: Anyone know anything about this Yeah that is replacing NEXLiveForever?
I think the Yeah is part of his sentence but it got picked up by the TLPD algorithm. The players from this thread are playing tonight to see who gets his spot.
According to the LR thread Yeah has replaced ZeNEXLiveForever as he has been drafted to the military..
I just went over the LR thread again and I think they meant that Yeah is going to fill in the extra spot in Code A while the top Code A players from the January season get to fight for NEXLiveForever's spot in Code S.
Am going to do a little bit of a defensive post in point form here. It will be informative I promise.. Please skip it, if you are a troll.
- Gom seedings were going to be done by tournament if the players who said they were coming would show up. Some of the worlds 'elite' didnt show up, so they gave our seeds based on accomplishments (like the first day Glade was here he won IEM asia and is now going to IEM in europe) he won this infront of all the players here, plus john plus giasdo.. - Moonglade is top 100 on KOR ladder as of midnight last night. His rank is around 85 now. This is due to him playing with 2 ping instead of 200 ping on the korean server, and being able to play properly. He literally improved 20% just because of ping. In SEA you have 200 ping on every server. - GSL is an awesome event, no matter how you put it. The worlds best players should WANT to be here. I see no point being in an SC2 team, and not wanting to play in GSL. You might as well just play solo on ladder and ignore the community - I love nestea! - The majority of the players who played as foreigners were not top 20 foreigners its true. Hell I'm not even top 20000000, and I still took a game off someone. So this should encourage those who are far better than me (pretty much everyone) to come and try out. Take it like this, GSL is a great tournament and getting into code A would be wonderful, but the life/gaming experience is far more valuable. - Being too lazy and not having the money are two different things, I am sorry if I indicated they were the same. Some of the larger teams need to pull their finger out in my opinion. - GSL wouldn't be in Korea only, if the foreigners came and showed their skill in Korea. I questioned a few people about why its only in Korea and it was merely "if we had 192 foreigners trying out, it would be a miserable event". Which is true to an extent, the level of play is hardly anywhere near as serious or dedicated as it is here. And the consistency is lacking. - Starcraft 2 is a new game, so the full extent of strategies hasn't come out yet. One strat wonders will come and go *cough* bitbybit. - The new GSL maps will change EVERYTHING. Look out for that, I have been watching koreans play on these maps and the games are so epic. True skill is shown on them.. But still they don't really help zvp because protoss gets to late game quicker and the protoss ball of death is unstoppable. It is indicated by zvp results on these maps.
i have no problems with the automatic qualifiers for the people whom travel to Korea. They are dropping 3k to make the trip...they need some type of guarantee...
The way they seeded the foreigners was fine this season, my only complaint would be if some of these 4 players lose first round and then get seeded again next season as well. There should be a rule in place to prevent that, like "the same player can only be given an automatic seeding by GOM once every 6 months".
On January 31 2011 09:49 0neder wrote: Actually, Tasteless is pretty awesome solo if you watch some of his early BW stuff for GOM like the invitational.
I think if top level players want a seed, they should go to Korea and commit.
Also, moonglade should change his ID to a non-warcraft name.
Yea but i doubt he'll cast like he did back in the day when he was solo. But if we're gonna bring up GOM, then Tasteless and SDM would be the best combo. Too bad hes retired though
too bad he hates Starcraft 2 and would love to see it crash and burn...
on a side note, Artosis was in GSL 1, and they had TorcH cast in his place for his games, also during Blizzcon they had 4 guest casters including IdrA.
On January 31 2011 09:49 0neder wrote: Actually, Tasteless is pretty awesome solo if you watch some of his early BW stuff for GOM like the invitational.
I think if top level players want a seed, they should go to Korea and commit.
Also, moonglade should change his ID to a non-warcraft name.
Yea but i doubt he'll cast like he did back in the day when he was solo. But if we're gonna bring up GOM, then Tasteless and SDM would be the best combo. Too bad hes retired though
too bad he hates Starcraft 2 and would love to see it crash and burn...
on a side note, Artosis was in GSL 1, and they had TorcH cast in his place for his games, also during Blizzcon they had 4 guest casters including IdrA.
really? Thats too bad, I wasn't fond of SC2 either at the beginning, i still miss BW, but SC2 isn't that bad.
On January 31 2011 10:31 FXOpen wrote: Am going to do a little bit of a defensive post in point form here. It will be informative I promise.. Please skip it, if you are a troll.
- Gom seedings were going to be done by tournament if the players who said they were coming would show up. Some of the worlds 'elite' didnt show up, so they gave our seeds based on accomplishments (like the first day Glade was here he won IEM asia and is now going to IEM in europe) he won this infront of all the players here, plus john plus giasdo.. - Moonglade is top 100 on KOR ladder as of midnight last night. His rank is around 85 now. This is due to him playing with 2 ping instead of 200 ping on the korean server, and being able to play properly. He literally improved 20% just because of ping. In SEA you have 200 ping on every server. - GSL is an awesome event, no matter how you put it. The worlds best players should WANT to be here. I see no point being in an SC2 team, and not wanting to play in GSL. You might as well just play solo on ladder and ignore the community - I love nestea! - The majority of the players who played as foreigners were not top 20 foreigners its true. Hell I'm not even top 20000000, and I still took a game off someone. So this should encourage those who are far better than me (pretty much everyone) to come and try out. Take it like this, GSL is a great tournament and getting into code A would be wonderful, but the life/gaming experience is far more valuable. - Being too lazy and not having the money are two different things, I am sorry if I indicated they were the same. Some of the larger teams need to pull their finger out in my opinion. - GSL wouldn't be in Korea only, if the foreigners came and showed their skill in Korea. I questioned a few people about why its only in Korea and it was merely "if we had 192 foreigners trying out, it would be a miserable event". Which is true to an extent, the level of play is hardly anywhere near as serious or dedicated as it is here. And the consistency is lacking. - Starcraft 2 is a new game, so the full extent of strategies hasn't come out yet. One strat wonders will come and go *cough* bitbybit. - The new GSL maps will change EVERYTHING. Look out for that, I have been watching koreans play on these maps and the games are so epic. True skill is shown on them.. But still they don't really help zvp because protoss gets to late game quicker and the protoss ball of death is unstoppable. It is indicated by zvp results on these maps.
I hope this block of text has helped inform.
ciao
Well said, mate. Particularly the part about teams pulling their finger out. You cannot possibly complain about your favourite player not being seeded if they didn't try to qualify in the open qualifiers in any of the 4/5 opportunities to do so thus far. It is a clear indication that they don't really want to be part of the GSL at this point in time, as there is no possible way that FXO/VT has more money than some of the other teams who didn't send players over for this qualification period.
On January 31 2011 11:04 Duravi wrote: The way they seeded the foreigners was fine this season, my only complaint would be if some of these 4 players lose first round and then get seeded again next season as well. There should be a rule in place to prevent that, like "the same player can only be given an automatic seeding by GOM once every 6 months".
On January 31 2011 03:17 hmsrenown wrote: And if they REALLY want more foreign viewers, they would throw invitation to BIG NAMES in NA/EU, they would, for example, throw a tourney with prize money for foreigners to compete for reserved slots, they would also, for example, extend invitation to fan favourites outside of Korea regardless of their current play.
Everyone was invited, all they had to do was apply. These 4 players were the 4 best that applied for this GSL season.
Okay so are the 4 seeded players at all related to the foreigner house invitations? A post earlier said that all the liquid guys are staying at the OGS-TL house and MoonGlade would be staying at the foreigner house. So 7 beds are still open at the foreigner house? When do those spots get filled? I personally thought that they would look at all the applications (like Sjow's) for the foreigner house and start announcing the spots around the time of Code A qualifications, but I'm assuming it's a little too early or something?
I believe the foreigner house is there just to eliminate one of the costs (and therefore one of the barriers) to travelling to Korea to participate, rather than being some gateway to Code A. I assume, that provided you are competing, you can have a space if it is free, and if there was enough competition they would prioritise it to pro-gamers from reputable teams (or maybe only allow reputable pro-gamers a go anyway). Given that only Spades and Moonglade took gom up on the free accomodation/environment, it is arguable that maybe quite a few pro-gamers aren't willing to travel to Korea unless they have a guaranteed Code A/S spot before flying over, after all the plane flight alone is quite prohibitive.
Currently in the house is spades glade torch mcloud myself and laneir.. And our trusty mascot Gisado, who is starcraft 2 god.
It is my assumption that people couldnt be bothered to qualify/didnt have the abillity or time to get here (maybe a 9-5 job?).
My post is intended not to stir up crap, but to provide insight into how great an experience this has been for everyone involved.
Note that sjow news came out after everyone was already in the GOM house, if he came to korea and had signed up for GSL on time, I am sure there would have been no problem housing him here.... I only stayed at gom house cos moonglade was using my pc to play and i couldnt get back to the hotel at 2 am. So I crashed on the top bunk. Best decision I ever made, as I got to experience everything. And it was great.
I think people should stop being so negative about it all.
On January 31 2011 14:49 FXOpen wrote: Artosis played protoss, end of story...
Currently in the house is spades glade torch mcloud myself and laneir.. And our trusty mascot Gisado, who is starcraft 2 god.
It is my assumption that people couldnt be bothered to qualify/didnt have the abillity or time to get here (maybe a 9-5 job?).
My post is intended not to stir up crap, but to provide insight into how great an experience this has been for everyone involved.
Note that sjow news came out after everyone was already in the GOM house, if he came to korea and had signed up for GSL on time, I am sure there would have been no problem housing him here.... I only stayed at gom house cos moonglade was using my pc to play and i couldnt get back to the hotel at 2 am. So I crashed on the top bunk. Best decision I ever made, as I got to experience everything. And it was great.
I think people should stop being so negative about it all.
How much do you think the living situation might be a detraction?
I mean, sharing rooms is tough enough with a bunch of dudes. But bunk beds?
Is it feasible at all for a team to just rent a small house or large apartment, or is Korea just too damn expensive?
On January 31 2011 14:49 FXOpen wrote: Artosis played protoss, end of story...
Currently in the house is spades glade torch mcloud myself and laneir.. And our trusty mascot Gisado, who is starcraft 2 god.
It is my assumption that people couldnt be bothered to qualify/didnt have the abillity or time to get here (maybe a 9-5 job?).
My post is intended not to stir up crap, but to provide insight into how great an experience this has been for everyone involved.
Note that sjow news came out after everyone was already in the GOM house, if he came to korea and had signed up for GSL on time, I am sure there would have been no problem housing him here.... I only stayed at gom house cos moonglade was using my pc to play and i couldnt get back to the hotel at 2 am. So I crashed on the top bunk. Best decision I ever made, as I got to experience everything. And it was great.
I think people should stop being so negative about it all.
How much do you think the living situation might be a detraction?
I mean, sharing rooms is tough enough with a bunch of dudes. But bunk beds?
Is it feasible at all for a team to just rent a small house or large apartment, or is Korea just too damn expensive?
UMM you obviously haven't seen any of the other team houses LOL. By the looks of Artosis video of the GOM teamhouse it actually looks bigger(and nicer) then the others including ogs/tl one.
God i even remember reading a few years ago about some stories of the team houses, and the case they had big ass beds on the floor which multiple guys shared. While it the western weird it seems weird, in Korea soceity not so much.
On January 31 2011 16:00 LlamaNamedOsama wrote: Saw a couple of posts hating on Moonglade, which doesn't make any sense to me, didn't he just + Show Spoiler +
recently beat Loner 3-1 in IEM Asia finals?
Pretty impressive to me...
mOOnGLaDe just isn't as well known to the NA/EU scene, so he's usually disregarded as not as skilled to really compete in the GSL. Of course that isn't the case, but yeah.
On January 31 2011 14:49 FXOpen wrote: Artosis played protoss, end of story...
Currently in the house is spades glade torch mcloud myself and laneir.. And our trusty mascot Gisado, who is starcraft 2 god.
It is my assumption that people couldnt be bothered to qualify/didnt have the abillity or time to get here (maybe a 9-5 job?).
My post is intended not to stir up crap, but to provide insight into how great an experience this has been for everyone involved.
Note that sjow news came out after everyone was already in the GOM house, if he came to korea and had signed up for GSL on time, I am sure there would have been no problem housing him here.... I only stayed at gom house cos moonglade was using my pc to play and i couldnt get back to the hotel at 2 am. So I crashed on the top bunk. Best decision I ever made, as I got to experience everything. And it was great.
I think people should stop being so negative about it all.
How much do you think the living situation might be a detraction?
I mean, sharing rooms is tough enough with a bunch of dudes. But bunk beds?
Is it feasible at all for a team to just rent a small house or large apartment, or is Korea just too damn expensive?
I can't speak for others but I can say from experience that those accommodations will not an issue if you really want to be there.
Senior year of university ~60 people from my major went on a 3 month study abroad program in Italy with very similar living conditions: Four guys to one room with 2 bunk beds and a small bathroom. I can tell you that nobody complained about the room set up(except in a few cases people's personalities didn't quite mix XD ). This is because we all really wanted to be there, and the trip was an amazing experience, thus, minor things like bed setup and close quarters weren't at the top of the priority list for most of us. In addition, I stayed in hostels throughout Europe over those three months, all but the one in Berlin had bunk beds and dormitory style close quarters. No biggie.
Granted, in a situation like the one GOM is offering here, you will have roommates of varying ages, personalities, and maturity levels. People who are too different from one another may clash a bit. All of these could play a factor in whether you'd decide to move to a country you've never been to before, to play in a high-stakes tournament, and suddenly find yourself living with 7 strangers.
That said, other factors have been laid out such as limited funds, or lack of motivation, but perhaps time is the biggest question mark. Like it or not, some players may have the funds and motivation to go, but the time isn't quite right just yet. Life has many directions, and responsibilities. In most cases there are loose ends to tie up before you leave your life behind for a month or more. It often isn't prudent to drop everything and go "Hell yeah! Let's do this right now!"
I say we just keep patient, and see who shows up when. I'm betting lots of foreigners we've been hoping sign up eventually will, just not for this month. I cannot speak to your last question, I have no idea! I'm going for an extended stay in Korea sometime this Fall (not to play, just to go, and ofc hit up GSL), I'll let you know then.
GOMs foreigner house is fantastic. As is 4 code A spots for foreigners only.
I am sure more foreigners will be out their soon. It was just announced that they had the house available. People need to make plans to move out there which can take several weeks if not months. I would imagine next qualifier the house will be full with great players.
On January 31 2011 14:49 FXOpen wrote: Artosis played protoss, end of story...
Currently in the house is spades glade torch mcloud myself and laneir.. And our trusty mascot Gisado, who is starcraft 2 god.
It is my assumption that people couldnt be bothered to qualify/didnt have the abillity or time to get here (maybe a 9-5 job?).
My post is intended not to stir up crap, but to provide insight into how great an experience this has been for everyone involved.
Note that sjow news came out after everyone was already in the GOM house, if he came to korea and had signed up for GSL on time, I am sure there would have been no problem housing him here.... I only stayed at gom house cos moonglade was using my pc to play and i couldnt get back to the hotel at 2 am. So I crashed on the top bunk. Best decision I ever made, as I got to experience everything. And it was great.
I think people should stop being so negative about it all.
How much do you think the living situation might be a detraction?
I mean, sharing rooms is tough enough with a bunch of dudes. But bunk beds?
Is it feasible at all for a team to just rent a small house or large apartment, or is Korea just too damn expensive?
Clearly you've never lived in a boarding school/college dorm room lol. The size of team houses in Korea has never really bothered me even though some people think its like, some sort of crime when people live in a small studio.
And yeah, moonglade is truly on the level of all top foreigners, its hard for us to take notice but i think he'll show that he's as solid as anyone in the non korean scene.
On January 31 2011 10:31 FXOpen wrote: Am going to do a little bit of a defensive post in point form here. It will be informative I promise.. Please skip it, if you are a troll.
- Gom seedings were going to be done by tournament if the players who said they were coming would show up. Some of the worlds 'elite' didnt show up, so they gave our seeds based on accomplishments (like the first day Glade was here he won IEM asia and is now going to IEM in europe) he won this infront of all the players here, plus john plus giasdo..
I assume then GOM informed all players that they had to attend the preliminaries in order to get an invite? It makes a huge difference if so but it hasn't been mentioned in the official press releases.
- If you have a problem sharing a room with someone (for sleeping only, like you dont do anything but sleep in the room) then you should consult a psychiatrist. - GOM information is scarce, but if you really wanted something you would research yourself, as glade did and the others did. Relevant information has been released. There is no reason why a player would have registered late or missed registration, it was released and there was a week to register.
I will emphasise once again. The gom house experience has been amazing, even though spades and I are at each others throat constantly, but its fun. We accept it as it is and have made friends a long the way. I can now truly say that I am friends with the people who are currently in the GOM house. And I love Gisado to death!
I love the e-sports community and all, but after reading forum after forum on this and other websites, I realized that there is so much hate and unnecessary arguing that happens. I mean, if that's the kind of community this has naturally become, then I guess there's nothing we can do about it, but a forum that was started simply to be informative of foreigner seeding and a housing situation in Korea has turned into a clusterfuck of garbled confusion and anger.
I think we should take the example of FXOpen and Spades' relationship and all just metaphorically hug it out. And even if you have disagreements, it's completely possible to bring it up without being a complete douche about it. Don't gotta be so bm about life, guys!
On January 31 2011 14:49 FXOpen wrote: Artosis played protoss, end of story...
Currently in the house is spades glade torch mcloud myself and laneir.. And our trusty mascot Gisado, who is starcraft 2 god.
It is my assumption that people couldnt be bothered to qualify/didnt have the abillity or time to get here (maybe a 9-5 job?).
My post is intended not to stir up crap, but to provide insight into how great an experience this has been for everyone involved.
Note that sjow news came out after everyone was already in the GOM house, if he came to korea and had signed up for GSL on time, I am sure there would have been no problem housing him here.... I only stayed at gom house cos moonglade was using my pc to play and i couldnt get back to the hotel at 2 am. So I crashed on the top bunk. Best decision I ever made, as I got to experience everything. And it was great.
I think people should stop being so negative about it all.
How much do you think the living situation might be a detraction?
I mean, sharing rooms is tough enough with a bunch of dudes. But bunk beds?
Is it feasible at all for a team to just rent a small house or large apartment, or is Korea just too damn expensive?
Clearly you've never lived in a boarding school/college dorm room lol. The size of team houses in Korea has never really bothered me even though some people think its like, some sort of crime when people live in a small studio.
And yeah, moonglade is truly on the level of all top foreigners, its hard for us to take notice but i think he'll show that he's as solid as anyone in the non korean scene.
Bear in mind I'm 30, and have my own place, a fiancee, etc. Bunk beds aren't a crime ... they're just for twelve year old boys and army infantry units
I can't imagine White-Ra or Artosis sleeping on a bunk bed LOL.
So from what FXOpen said there were more invites for foreigner seed qualifiers, just quite a few that didn't show in Korea to play for those 4 spots. Out of the ones that did show and based on people's performance, the current 4 got chosen.
Hopefully next time a few more will have the courage to show, should be a high chance to get seeded and if not I assume you can still do the qualifiers.
is carefoot still in korea? that guy really is a nutjob if he thinks he can make it with wearing a liquid-shirt.. maybe jinro's mom could make him a beany so he doesn't look so dull when he loses;)
You can't really blame Tasteless and Artosis. I heard on IdrA talking about them on Wheat's podcast about them being burned out working at Gom, sometimes even on weekends. Doing other things than casting.
On January 31 2011 10:31 FXOpen wrote: - The new GSL maps will change EVERYTHING. Look out for that, I have been watching koreans play on these maps and the games are so epic. True skill is shown on them.. But still they don't really help zvp because protoss gets to late game quicker and the protoss ball of death is unstoppable. It is indicated by zvp results on these maps.
I hope this block of text has helped inform.
ciao
I think that Junkka mentioned there may be GSL qualifiers in NA/Europe in the future. Then those entering would only have to make sure they have the time available and the plane ticket. I think the main problem is the length of time you have to be out there for the competition. If it was just for a long weekend like Dreamhack it would be possible for a lot more players but its asking a lot for players to put their life on hold for over a month for an outside chance of getting into a Code A competition which prize money wise is nowhere near the top EU tournaments let alone the weekly ones. Just to get a shot at trying to win Code S once a player new to the competition will have to be out there for at least 2 seasons. If anything they have made it even harder for foreigners to compete now and less likely for them to bother other than those that are prepared to go and live out in Korea for a long period of time..
If they help protoss it would seem those new maps cant come soon enough since we only have 6 in this Code S and one of those was given his place.
Artosis didn't qualify? Damn, was rooting for him. I guess Tasteless didn't try/qualify either? They have such good knowledge of the game, but aren't getting enough time to put it into practice I imagine.
hope they can last in there even when artosis is telling how players are ... hmmm not that good... each player in code A is really really good, really hope 1 or more of these guys get a shot at code S.
EPT
who sat and watched carefoots stream.
Damn, was rooting for him. I guess Tasteless didn't try/qualify either? They have such good knowledge of the game, but aren't getting enough time to put it into practice I imagine.
Yeah has replaced 
ZeNEXLiveForever as he has been drafted to the military..
