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You do know that there is something called PR and reputation? I'm aware of the fact that companies want to make money and nothing else. After Jinro said that he heard the commentators the cat was out of the bag. GOM could've either been 100% upfront about it and not censor anything or done what they did. They cant completely bury it o_O thousands of people were watching, no company would try to completely bury it at that point because it would create a public outrage in the community.
Different companies have different ways of handling things, there are those that embrace their customers and want to stand out with their transparency, then there are those that don't mind a little censorship in the hopes that it will yield them a little more short-term profit. Sadly, GOM has, censoring the interview, shown which one it wants to be.
Because publically saying "oh, uh, we kind of screwed up on this one sorry" and having an interview with Jinro saying "oh, uh, they kind of screwed up on this one" makes profit when they take out the interview?
GOM ALREADY HAS "informed their customers of possible flaws with the GSL". Yes, there was no reason for them to take out the interview, but this literally changes absolutely nothing. Instead of the information being pasted on their site and on an interview, it's just pasted on their site. No literate person will be harmed by this. It seems like you're just being obtuse.
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On January 22 2011 22:22 vyyye wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 22:14 ChickenLips wrote:On January 22 2011 21:38 vyyye wrote:On January 22 2011 21:32 ChickenLips wrote:On January 22 2011 20:05 vyyye wrote:On January 22 2011 19:59 whatever wrote:On January 22 2011 19:53 vyyye wrote:Hardly has anything to do with that, they didn't hide it as they publicly apologised. I don't quite get the purpose of this, it makes about as much sense as the outrage in this thread. Really, people? Does it in any way matter? Actually, by censoring it they are the ones making a big deal out of this. Hardly, they just removed an now unnecessary part of an interview. Yeah, they could've let it be but people already know of it. Who knows why they did it, who else but Gom? The ones being real silly isn't Gom, it's the ones accusing Gom of blocking all porn from ever reaching Australia. are you stupid? Just because GOMtv said they were working on it and are aware of what jinro said doesnt make it 'unnecessary' You cant censor shit very effectively on the internet, the comment section of that interview is already littered with links to the 'real' interview on youtube. GOM only shot themselves in the foot with this silly censor business. Are you fucking braindead? Does the above sentence do anything except make me look like an angsty teen? It really serves no purpose, aye? Anyway, it does make it unnecessary, Gom aren't in any way obliged to share all information they have with you and as they did cover this issue there's no reason for it to remain in the interview, other than the apparent hatred for censorship around. Obviously people aren't happy with it, I just believe they are being unreasonable. Because it really doesn't bloody matter. Yeah, you can't censor these kind of things easily and they obviously didn't do a great job. But considering that they even made a public announcement it's evident that they aren't trying to just "cover it up". I really don't get how people are reacting to this as if it was some huge scandal. They removed part of an interview and apologised for the issue elsewhere. So fucking what? wow the amount of clueless you were able to instill into your post is quite astounding. I'm no expert in law but I am 100% certain that GOM has to inform their customers of the possible flaws of their product (the GSL). Players being able to hear the commentators is a HUGE problem and threatens the entire credibility and value of the tournament. Afterall if I buy a car from Honda they better fucking tell me if the brakes have reliability issues. They have released a public statement, but censoring the interview shows that they dont want to be 100% upfront about it and I dislike that they have done the bare minimum to diffuse the situation and then want to sweep it under the carpet as fast as possible. If they hadn't made a public announcement the entire starcraft 2 community all around the world would be infuriated. What they are trying to do is essentially minimize the damages and keep a low profile about it, they want the least amount of people to know about it. Its not about the game, its about the attitude GOM is showing towards its customers. Theyre not being 100% honest even when everyone knows the truth and its a damn shame Clearly you aren't an expert at law, else you would know that Gom could have never showed the interview, censored the VOD of it and never offered an apology. You don't pay for the honor of Gom, you pay for the VODs they offer. Censoring interviews isn't illegal, sorry. "What they are trying to do is essentially minimize the damages and keep a low profile", well, what the fuck did you expect? It's a business after all. You're in for a really nasty surprise when you realize that 99% of all businesses work for money, and not for the greater good of X. Gom didn't owe you fuck all, be glad they were above completely burying it. They are being more honest than necessary, and the issue will be resolved. A lot of companies would simply censor the interview and never speak of it again. I'll just leave this here, as you seem to be more inclined to insult my person than to argue for your side of the coin.
This is the truth. Honestly, they could have probably just made no comment about it at all, and people would have most likely forgotten about it.
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They've already addressed it, so censoring it only draws more attention to it. It hurts them more to censor the interview than just leave it be I think.
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On January 23 2011 00:13 ChickenLips wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 22:22 vyyye wrote:On January 22 2011 22:14 ChickenLips wrote:On January 22 2011 21:38 vyyye wrote:On January 22 2011 21:32 ChickenLips wrote:On January 22 2011 20:05 vyyye wrote:On January 22 2011 19:59 whatever wrote:On January 22 2011 19:53 vyyye wrote:Hardly has anything to do with that, they didn't hide it as they publicly apologised. I don't quite get the purpose of this, it makes about as much sense as the outrage in this thread. Really, people? Does it in any way matter? Actually, by censoring it they are the ones making a big deal out of this. Hardly, they just removed an now unnecessary part of an interview. Yeah, they could've let it be but people already know of it. Who knows why they did it, who else but Gom? The ones being real silly isn't Gom, it's the ones accusing Gom of blocking all porn from ever reaching Australia. are you stupid? Just because GOMtv said they were working on it and are aware of what jinro said doesnt make it 'unnecessary' You cant censor shit very effectively on the internet, the comment section of that interview is already littered with links to the 'real' interview on youtube. GOM only shot themselves in the foot with this silly censor business. Are you fucking braindead? Does the above sentence do anything except make me look like an angsty teen? It really serves no purpose, aye? Anyway, it does make it unnecessary, Gom aren't in any way obliged to share all information they have with you and as they did cover this issue there's no reason for it to remain in the interview, other than the apparent hatred for censorship around. Obviously people aren't happy with it, I just believe they are being unreasonable. Because it really doesn't bloody matter. Yeah, you can't censor these kind of things easily and they obviously didn't do a great job. But considering that they even made a public announcement it's evident that they aren't trying to just "cover it up". I really don't get how people are reacting to this as if it was some huge scandal. They removed part of an interview and apologised for the issue elsewhere. So fucking what? wow the amount of clueless you were able to instill into your post is quite astounding. I'm no expert in law but I am 100% certain that GOM has to inform their customers of the possible flaws of their product (the GSL). Players being able to hear the commentators is a HUGE problem and threatens the entire credibility and value of the tournament. Afterall if I buy a car from Honda they better fucking tell me if the brakes have reliability issues. They have released a public statement, but censoring the interview shows that they dont want to be 100% upfront about it and I dislike that they have done the bare minimum to diffuse the situation and then want to sweep it under the carpet as fast as possible. If they hadn't made a public announcement the entire starcraft 2 community all around the world would be infuriated. What they are trying to do is essentially minimize the damages and keep a low profile about it, they want the least amount of people to know about it. Its not about the game, its about the attitude GOM is showing towards its customers. Theyre not being 100% honest even when everyone knows the truth and its a damn shame Clearly you aren't an expert at law, else you would know that Gom could have never showed the interview, censored the VOD of it and never offered an apology. You don't pay for the honor of Gom, you pay for the VODs they offer. Censoring interviews isn't illegal, sorry. "What they are trying to do is essentially minimize the damages and keep a low profile", well, what the fuck did you expect? It's a business after all. You're in for a really nasty surprise when you realize that 99% of all businesses work for money, and not for the greater good of X. Gom didn't owe you fuck all, be glad they were above completely burying it. They are being more honest than necessary, and the issue will be resolved. A lot of companies would simply censor the interview and never speak of it again. I'll just leave this here, as you seem to be more inclined to insult my person than to argue for your side of the coin. You do know that there is something called PR and reputation? I'm aware of the fact that companies want to make money and nothing else. After Jinro said that he heard the commentators the cat was out of the bag. GOM could've either been 100% upfront about it and not censor anything or done what they did. They cant completely bury it o_O thousands of people were watching, no company would try to completely bury it at that point because it would create a public outrage in the community. Different companies have different ways of handling things, there are those that embrace their customers and want to stand out with their transparency, then there are those that don't mind a little censorship in the hopes that it will yield them a little more short-term profit. Sadly, GOM has, censoring the interview, shown which one it wants to be.
Would you just stop talking? You clearly don't have any idea what you're talking about when it comes to business, law, or anything else. They've acknowledged the problem, apologized for it, and are already fixing it, yet you still whine like they're doing a watergate-esque cover-up.
On the other hand, you think that:
-it may be illegal to not disclose this sort of thing as much as possible (LOL? Are you serious bro?)
-all companies only care about profit and nothing else (nice conspiracy theory)
-the only possible solutions are 100% transparency and 100% (<3 the false dichotomy technique)
People calling this "censorship" and being outraged really need to stop being bandwagon jumping liberal conspiracy nuts.
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I can't believe people are saying that censoring is nessary to prevent future complaints. This is the internet. If someone made some thread telling us that Jinro heard some noise a month later, everyone would say, "They already fixed that, idiot," and everyone would move on.
This issue would have gone away completely if they didn't censor this interview. Now we have to dicuss this non-issue more. Terrible decision.
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On January 23 2011 00:31 PJA wrote:
People calling this "censorship" and being outraged really need to stop being bandwagon jumping liberal conspiracy nuts.
I don't see anyone calling this a conspiracy. I'm not sure I want to know how you got 'liberal' into this. But it is the definition of censorship, regardless of if you agree with it or not. It certainly wasn't the best thing for them to do if they wanted people to forget about it.
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On January 23 2011 00:26 Redmark wrote:Show nested quote +You do know that there is something called PR and reputation? I'm aware of the fact that companies want to make money and nothing else. After Jinro said that he heard the commentators the cat was out of the bag. GOM could've either been 100% upfront about it and not censor anything or done what they did. They cant completely bury it o_O thousands of people were watching, no company would try to completely bury it at that point because it would create a public outrage in the community.
Different companies have different ways of handling things, there are those that embrace their customers and want to stand out with their transparency, then there are those that don't mind a little censorship in the hopes that it will yield them a little more short-term profit. Sadly, GOM has, censoring the interview, shown which one it wants to be. Because publically saying "oh, uh, we kind of screwed up on this one sorry" and having an interview with Jinro saying "oh, uh, they kind of screwed up on this one" makes profit when they take out the interview? GOM ALREADY HAS "informed their customers of possible flaws with the GSL". Yes, there was no reason for them to take out the interview, but this literally changes absolutely nothing. Instead of the information being pasted on their site and on an interview, it's just pasted on their site. No literate person will be harmed by this. It seems like you're just being obtuse.
Please up your reading comprehension. I never said that what they did is illegal, i said not informing their customers of the flaws of their product would be illegal. Is that what they have done? No. They have done the public yada yada. The stuff in the interview is not a big deal, it's Jinro saying that "he heard the commentators, it actually hurt him, and in the end it didnt even matter", HOWEVER the fact that they are trying to hide it makes it so.
On January 23 2011 00:31 PJA wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2011 00:13 ChickenLips wrote:On January 22 2011 22:22 vyyye wrote:On January 22 2011 22:14 ChickenLips wrote:On January 22 2011 21:38 vyyye wrote:On January 22 2011 21:32 ChickenLips wrote:On January 22 2011 20:05 vyyye wrote:On January 22 2011 19:59 whatever wrote:On January 22 2011 19:53 vyyye wrote:Hardly has anything to do with that, they didn't hide it as they publicly apologised. I don't quite get the purpose of this, it makes about as much sense as the outrage in this thread. Really, people? Does it in any way matter? Actually, by censoring it they are the ones making a big deal out of this. Hardly, they just removed an now unnecessary part of an interview. Yeah, they could've let it be but people already know of it. Who knows why they did it, who else but Gom? The ones being real silly isn't Gom, it's the ones accusing Gom of blocking all porn from ever reaching Australia. are you stupid? Just because GOMtv said they were working on it and are aware of what jinro said doesnt make it 'unnecessary' You cant censor shit very effectively on the internet, the comment section of that interview is already littered with links to the 'real' interview on youtube. GOM only shot themselves in the foot with this silly censor business. Are you fucking braindead? Does the above sentence do anything except make me look like an angsty teen? It really serves no purpose, aye? Anyway, it does make it unnecessary, Gom aren't in any way obliged to share all information they have with you and as they did cover this issue there's no reason for it to remain in the interview, other than the apparent hatred for censorship around. Obviously people aren't happy with it, I just believe they are being unreasonable. Because it really doesn't bloody matter. Yeah, you can't censor these kind of things easily and they obviously didn't do a great job. But considering that they even made a public announcement it's evident that they aren't trying to just "cover it up". I really don't get how people are reacting to this as if it was some huge scandal. They removed part of an interview and apologised for the issue elsewhere. So fucking what? wow the amount of clueless you were able to instill into your post is quite astounding. I'm no expert in law but I am 100% certain that GOM has to inform their customers of the possible flaws of their product (the GSL). Players being able to hear the commentators is a HUGE problem and threatens the entire credibility and value of the tournament. Afterall if I buy a car from Honda they better fucking tell me if the brakes have reliability issues. They have released a public statement, but censoring the interview shows that they dont want to be 100% upfront about it and I dislike that they have done the bare minimum to diffuse the situation and then want to sweep it under the carpet as fast as possible. If they hadn't made a public announcement the entire starcraft 2 community all around the world would be infuriated. What they are trying to do is essentially minimize the damages and keep a low profile about it, they want the least amount of people to know about it. Its not about the game, its about the attitude GOM is showing towards its customers. Theyre not being 100% honest even when everyone knows the truth and its a damn shame Clearly you aren't an expert at law, else you would know that Gom could have never showed the interview, censored the VOD of it and never offered an apology. You don't pay for the honor of Gom, you pay for the VODs they offer. Censoring interviews isn't illegal, sorry. "What they are trying to do is essentially minimize the damages and keep a low profile", well, what the fuck did you expect? It's a business after all. You're in for a really nasty surprise when you realize that 99% of all businesses work for money, and not for the greater good of X. Gom didn't owe you fuck all, be glad they were above completely burying it. They are being more honest than necessary, and the issue will be resolved. A lot of companies would simply censor the interview and never speak of it again. I'll just leave this here, as you seem to be more inclined to insult my person than to argue for your side of the coin. You do know that there is something called PR and reputation? I'm aware of the fact that companies want to make money and nothing else. After Jinro said that he heard the commentators the cat was out of the bag. GOM could've either been 100% upfront about it and not censor anything or done what they did. They cant completely bury it o_O thousands of people were watching, no company would try to completely bury it at that point because it would create a public outrage in the community. Different companies have different ways of handling things, there are those that embrace their customers and want to stand out with their transparency, then there are those that don't mind a little censorship in the hopes that it will yield them a little more short-term profit. Sadly, GOM has, censoring the interview, shown which one it wants to be. On the other hand, you think that: -it may be illegal to not disclose this sort of thing as much as possible (LOL? Are you serious bro?)
read above
-all companies only care about profit and nothing else (nice conspiracy theory)
not all companies but it is the main objective of almost all of them and most certainly for GOM (which i dont blame them for, the world is what it is)
-the only possible solutions are 100% transparency and 100% (<3 the false dichotomy technique)
this is not the case but if the whole extent of the situation (i.e. the content of the interview) is already publicly available then not being 100% transparent about it is a questionable move. As I said before, the content of the video is pretty tame, but by censoring it they make it more than it is.
This explains it quite well:
The Streisand effect is a primarily online phenomenon in which an attempt to hide or remove a piece of information has the unintended consequence of perversely causing the information to be publicized more widely and to a greater extent than would have occurred if no contrary action had been attempted.
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The Streisand effect only exists because of douchebags like you, imo. Why do you think it's questionable to edit out part of an interview that Jinro basically rescinded later on, and is an issue they're already fixing?
EDIT: As for reading comprehension, when you say something like:
"I'm no expert in law but I am 100% certain that GOM has to inform their customers of the possible flaws of their product (the GSL). Players being able to hear the commentators is a HUGE problem and threatens the entire credibility and value of the tournament. Afterall if I buy a car from Honda they better fucking tell me if the brakes have reliability issues."
You're heavily implying that you think what they are doing is very near to breaking the law. If you really want to use such rhetoric, at least man up and admit that that's what you did, instead of later backing off and saying "oh I never said they're breaking the law, blah blah blah."
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Furthermore, "not informing their customers of the flaws of their product would be illegal" is probably a completely inaccurate statement.
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On January 22 2011 18:22 shindigs wrote:
I feel it really is a non-issue now that can be easily skewed into a scandal which the pro-scene really does not want (War3 map fixing/SC match fixing). Covering up is shady, but smart and understandable. Also it prevents future discussion about it since the interview is more accessible than the press release - it prevents discussions years later where people are like OMG DID YOU SEE THIS OLD INTERVIEW WHERE JINRO CHEATED!
It was addressed, it has been fixed, and Gom really wants it under the rug otherwise something very little might blow up to be something annoyingly big in the future.
Exactly, well put.
I don't see this as that big a deal, if anything it's a good thing it happened in that specific game because it really was a non-issue to the outcome. We don't need this interview floating around for the rest of forever that inevitably will be used by trolls to slander Jinro in every single live report thread henceforth. Plus, they released an official statement and are taking care of it. It's not like it's being ignored. Yeah it's shady lookin', but better than the alternative.
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On January 22 2011 18:22 shindigs wrote:
I feel it really is a non-issue now that can be easily skewed into a scandal which the pro-scene really does not want (War3 map fixing/SC match fixing). Covering up is shady, but smart and understandable. Also it prevents future discussion about it since the interview is more accessible than the press release - it prevents discussions years later where people are like OMG DID YOU SEE THIS OLD INTERVIEW WHERE JINRO CHEATED!
It was addressed, it has been fixed, and Gom really wants it under the rug otherwise something very little might blow up to be something annoyingly big in the future.
Agreed.
They already addressed the issue so it's not like they're trying to pretend it didn't happen.
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The censorship is pointless and is very counter productive to their image as totally open and addressing the issue. I think it would have been better to leave it up especially since it happened in the first place.
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Whoever thinks this could be illegal fails as a person. Joking! No but in all seriousness Gomtv.net have complete rights over their videos, that INCLUDES editing. They could even dub them in swahili draw fake moustaches on everyone and talk about our imba imba world. But apart from the fact that its completely legal and within their rights to do whatever they want. I personally think its fine for them to edit the video. its not some major conspiracy, from their point of view their probably thinking its gonna get bad press anyways so why do it to themselves? There are people who only watch the matches on their official website and don't use other websites like this one. Why would you go and inform people who don't need to know, wouldn't normally find out, and wouldn't be effected by not knowing? If they denied the issue completely and didn't fix it then I might be more inclined to complain.
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On January 22 2011 18:07 Rokk wrote:
They've already acknowledged the issue in an official statement. Sure, censoring his interview is kind of shady, but if they've acknowledged they have a problem and address it, then it's not really an issue. I wouldn't make too big of a deal about it until they don't fix anything. If they do, then don't worry about it.
That is the very reason why it is a big deal to me. Why censor the interview when you've already come out and made an official statement that there was a soundproofing issue? It makes no sense at all. They are doing censorship just for the sake of doing it. All it is doing is giving them a bad image. It's not hiding anything as they have already admitted to the issue!
EDIT: As the saying goes, "If you give them an inch, they take a mile." No reason to back down on censorship. Doing so leads to worse and worse things.
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They'll probably just start taping on a delay the editing everything in advance if you guys keep this up. ra ra ra evil cenosorship!!!111 They didn't really censor anything, seeing as it was already shown live, and they already admitted it.
Although I admit it was probably a bad move on their part. Although I would have no problem with the interview being edited, but at the same time provided a disclaimer (in English) explaining why it was edited).
Like below in the video: "Jinro's comments re: soundproofing have been removed. The issue has been fixed".
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Do you expect the interviews to still be up and available 5 years down the road (or more)? It would be more controversial for them to edit it at a later date, probably after the issue has been addressed, and try to sweep it under the rug then. GomTV acknowledged it, is addressing it, and simply removed the snippet of video right from the start.
Get over it.
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The soundproofing problem exited BW too. I dont know if this was posted before in this thread or not, but doesnt anyone remember Boxer vs Yellow games? Yellow had burrowed lurkers on hold position and Boxer was moving towards them with a m&m group without detection, then Boxers fans would go "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" and the marines and medics would go back...
This was obviously fixed, i dont know how it was possible to happen again now...
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On January 23 2011 02:23 StewKer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 18:07 Rokk wrote:
They've already acknowledged the issue in an official statement. Sure, censoring his interview is kind of shady, but if they've acknowledged they have a problem and address it, then it's not really an issue. I wouldn't make too big of a deal about it until they don't fix anything. If they do, then don't worry about it. That is the very reason why it is a big deal to me. Why censor the interview when you've already come out and made an official statement that there was a soundproofing issue? It makes no sense at all. They are doing censorship just for the sake of doing it. All it is doing is giving them a bad image. It's not hiding anything as they have already admitted to the issue! EDIT: As the saying goes, "If you give them an inch, they take a mile." No reason to back down on censorship. Doing so leads to worse and worse things.
The censorship was obviously intended for those who didn't watch the interview live. Look at it from gomtv.net's perspective. What looks better? Seeing Jinro giggle while saying how he heard something that gave him a warning that led to a victory OR a nice politically correct blurb at the bottom of the video that says: "Jinro's comments re: soundproofing have been removed. The issue has been fixed".
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So much for the booths being soundproof. He said he hears the music playing, and once their is a low point in that he can hear what the commentators say.
That doesn't really seem all that "sound-proof" to me. Unless I mis-understood what he had said.
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On January 23 2011 02:37 Ahuitzotl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2011 02:23 StewKer wrote:On January 22 2011 18:07 Rokk wrote:
They've already acknowledged the issue in an official statement. Sure, censoring his interview is kind of shady, but if they've acknowledged they have a problem and address it, then it's not really an issue. I wouldn't make too big of a deal about it until they don't fix anything. If they do, then don't worry about it. That is the very reason why it is a big deal to me. Why censor the interview when you've already come out and made an official statement that there was a soundproofing issue? It makes no sense at all. They are doing censorship just for the sake of doing it. All it is doing is giving them a bad image. It's not hiding anything as they have already admitted to the issue! EDIT: As the saying goes, "If you give them an inch, they take a mile." No reason to back down on censorship. Doing so leads to worse and worse things. The censorship was obviously intended for those who didn't watch the interview live. Look at it from gomtv.net's perspective. What looks better? Seeing Jinro giggle while saying how he heard something that gave him a warning that led to a victory OR a nice politically correct blurb at the bottom of the video that says: "Jinro's comments re: soundproofing have been removed. The issue has been fixed".
How the hell is that "politically correct"? I'm sorry, but the phrase politically correct is annoying and overused even when used "correctly", never mind when it's used like this.
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