EPTMorrow and Sjow Matchfixing? - Page 40
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metzGRR
Sweden86 Posts
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Danjoh
Sweden405 Posts
Achiving the exact same result. Except one of them doesn't have to pay the tournament entry fees this way. So it's even more profitable for them. Yet, this is considered ok? edit: On December 23 2010 00:52 NtG wrote: I was watching Morrow's stream at the time and Morrow said something like "Make sure it's ok, I don't want to cheat". I can't remember the exact words since I didn't know what they were talking about at the time (and thus didn't care that much), but I strongly remember "I don't want to cheat", so I don't think they were "caught". EDIT: Seeing vOdToasT's post, maybe it was SjoW who said it. At least one of them did  Yea, it was show, I was discussing the event on vent for some time, and when I decided to join the stream, my first comment on vent was "Someone named Jeffrey is whispering MorroW something about not wanting to cheat." To wich I got the response "Yea, Jeffrey is SjoW." | ||
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oXoCube
Canada197 Posts
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butchji
Germany1531 Posts
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On December 22 2010 22:18 TotalBiscuit wrote: I'm going to leave one post on this and one alone. This kind of bullshit harms the reputation of eSports and sets the cause of getting it taken seriously by sponsors, spectators and the world as a whole back. This same thing happened at the i41 finals. The two finalists agreed to split the pot, went random, played lazy games because there was no competitive drive there and made a mockery of the tournament. They did this for £5000, a larger prize than this laptop. The fact that there was not more of a stink thrown about it is ridiculous. There is a reason prizes are tiered, to ensure there is a strong incentive to play to the best of your ability in order to win the larger prize. If you are not willing to play in the spirit of the tournament, do not play at all. I personally find this behaviour extremely distasteful and harmful to the scene as a whole. The fact that people are siding with the players on this issue rather than the sponsors just goes to show how little people really understand about the synergy between sponsors and players, required to create a successful eSports scene. The behaviour of both players is deplorable, particularly in the language they used, it is embarrassing. It is good that one of them stepped out of the tournament but the fact that some people don't see the problem with this behaviour is mindboggling and shows a fairly clear bias towards the players, which has no rational basis. OP also needs this... | ||
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Tegin
United States840 Posts
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Sewi
Germany1697 Posts
On December 23 2010 00:54 butchji wrote: Why do you care? Because we care about esports and its development. If you dont care, dont post. | ||
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VoirDire
Sweden1923 Posts
On December 23 2010 00:49 Treemonkeys wrote: No they did not ask "the admins" they asked one admin who obviously didn't have the authority to allow this because they made one drop out. They logically asked the tournament manager. Rakaka.se then texted the owner of Inferno Online on his cell phone (Presumably, the message was something like this "omg we have breaking news, matchfixing, cheating, haxx!!") He then answered "no throw away games. If we suspect anyhing they will get banned for life". Rakaka then reports EXTRA! IO condemns their behavior like they've actually did something yet. The whole thing has been blown out of proportion by the sensationalist online newspaper rakaka.se. I'll quote one of my previous posts: On December 22 2010 22:12 VoirDire wrote: What really disappoints me though is rakaka.se, posting a large banner screaming: "Thrown games in the swedish SC2-elite" and then "BUSTED!" with big red capital letters. http://rakaka.se/images/746-busted_sc2_morrow_sjow_BANTHEM4LIFE.jpg "BANTHEM4LIFE.jpg", seriously? What happened to journalistic neutrality? The whole article reeks with spite. They talk about the hot-headed Morrow, and their plans to rig the tournament and also takes the chance of poking at the tournament admin Maven who approved the upcoming throw match. They apparently talked to Maven via battle.net (WoW), but they didn't give Sjow or MorroW any chance to give their side of the story. The news article was posted 20:41, I'm pretty sure one, if not both players were on battle.net by then. They did talk to the head of Dignitas ODEE though. Who said he couldn't comment until he heard from his players. Was that an attempt to give both parties a chance to comment and thereby smooth some of the extreme bias over? What the hell would he know about an internal swedish agreement? Indeed. Rakaka should post an official apology to both the slander against sjow and morrow and for the unprofessional journalism presented to their readers. Also, read Ipps post edited into the OP. | ||
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IamAnton
Canada335 Posts
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Zuprah
Sweden16 Posts
The tournament requires you to win the "nattgibb" 11 times to get access to the grand prize so there is not a 100% chance that the computer worth 6000$ will be handed out. So if MorroW and SjoW reaches the finals 11 times there is not a verry high chance of anyone winning 100% of the finals which means that the chance of a grand prize being handed out is verry small, meaning that there will not be much to split between the two players. However if MorroW decides to forfeit/play horrific all of the 11 finals the chance of SjoW getting the computer will go from verry small to certain. Shorter version: This is not something about placing first one time but winning many times to get the grandprize so cooperation yields more than the prefomance of one individual. This and the fact that matchfixing should never be tolerated in any sport, is why it should be treated not as cheating perhaps but abusing the system? I wouldn't call these guys douchbags just yet, atleast not untill the whole story emerges. | ||
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butchji
Germany1531 Posts
On December 23 2010 00:55 Sewi wrote: Because we care about esports and its development. If you dont care, dont post. It's not like it's GSL... | ||
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heishe
Germany2284 Posts
every poker player in here probably understands better why this is a really bad thing to do by morrow or sjow. I won't explain it in any depth though, since I need to pack my stuff now and leave in about 5 min. | ||
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Treemonkeys
United States2082 Posts
On December 23 2010 00:53 Danjoh wrote: Achiving the exact same result. Except one of them doesn't have to pay the tournament entry fees this way. So it's even more profitable for them. Yet, this is considered ok? No it is not the exact same result. There is one more spot in the tournament for someone who actually wants to compete. | ||
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Utinni
Canada1196 Posts
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Voronoff
United States302 Posts
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NehR
Sweden87 Posts
Stop feeding the drama trolls. | ||
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Sewi
Germany1697 Posts
Where do you put the boundary between "care" and "not care" tournaments? I have a lot of respect for "smaller" ventures who run tournaments and sponsor a pcrice pool of any kind. They do this for the community, for you, for me, for everyone who likes to play SC. Why do you think it is ok to shit them? Because they dont offer 86.000 cash? | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4733 Posts
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Tegin
United States840 Posts
That's like saying a preseason NFL game its okay to cheat but once its the Super Bowl its not okay. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8138 Posts
I'm not seeing how they got "caught" either..the admins they asked gave them an "answer". I really thought Team Liquid was a better community than this. | ||
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