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Dante08
Singapore4201 Posts
Their pre game conversation in the finals would be something like this: Morrow: Hey Sjow, make a supply barracks supply wall and don't scout. Use all your energy on mules Sjow: What for? Morrow: I'm going to baneling bust you all the way and give you half the prize money Sjow: Ok deal :D Audience: FUCK FUCK FUCK Sjow learn to scout ! | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
On December 22 2010 23:41 Ipp wrote: This is entirely blown out of proportion and incorrect. Do you honestly think a previous IEM winner is stupid enough to talk about match fixing while streaming? This news story comes from rakaka and as TLO stated in the TeamLiquid post regaurding this situation: “I wouldn’t take news that origins from rakaka too seriously thoe. They are basically the sun of e-sports so always read their posts with caution”. So what happened? The event is a set of 18 “LAN” tournaments that will not be streamed. If you win 11 out of the 18, you get a very nice computer. As MorroW and SjoW are the only 2 pros competing, they plan to get to the finals every time. As they are equal in skill level, it is unlikely for one them to go 11 and 18. So they discussed making a pact starting that one will always forfeit; why? Because if they unlock all the prizes both of them can get a 1st place prize pool and come out winners. They were caught talking about doing it, since then they talked to the admins to ask if it was ok. The admin said no, so one of them will drop out but they will still share the prize. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this. Is it a shame they are avoiding playing eachother so they can make more money? Yes but it’s because of the tournament setup, financially it is a no brainer. Still don’t understand? * it’s local LANs with not many spectators and not being streamed * they talked to admins, the leaked convo was them realizing they could both get a 1st place prize pool * they were going to forfeit, now one dropped out * there was never a fixed match I hope that settles this issue and if you are part of the media please verify before you post. Also shame on any site who just reposted Rakaka’s article, get some original content. In otherwords, Match Fixing? Don’t Worry, tahts BW. So they only went to the admins after they got caught talking about it, that makes everything ok. I mean they were only planning on throwing the matches, right? That's not against the spirit of competition at all, oh no, not at all. There was never a fixed match, you are right, cause they got caught talking about it!! Don't blame the tournament format, no one is forcing either of these players to go, if they can't win the fucking prize without cheating, too fucking bad, get more skill I guess? | ||
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busbarn
Sweden984 Posts
Funny thing is rakaka always get alot of shit from teams and players in (and outside) sweden because of their ability to always dig up stuff like this, but you all forget how important it is to have an independent(somewhat anyway) source of news, especially in a "world" where you look up to players like morrow and sjow. Who is going to make sure it's fair play? The media ofc. You can't just find out about a thing like this and not publish. | ||
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
No problem with this at all. | ||
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butchji
Germany1531 Posts
On December 23 2010 01:04 Tegin wrote: That's like saying a preseason NFL game its okay to cheat but once its the Super Bowl its not okay. "cheat" | ||
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cutler
Germany609 Posts
On December 23 2010 01:09 Piy wrote: Theres nothing wrong with this. If you don't want pro players cleaning out your tournaments then don't allow them. With this set up theres no other thing to do really. No problem with this at all. So you saying that this is a normal behaviour by pro players? I always thought that they like to compete... | ||
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IamAnton
Canada335 Posts
On December 23 2010 01:09 Piy wrote: Theres nothing wrong with this. If you don't want pro players cleaning out your tournaments then don't allow them. With this set up theres no other thing to do really. No problem with this at all. ofcourse theres something wrong with it.. its cheating.. it has nothing todo with pros cleaning out the division it has to do with there matches being fixed when they play against eachother. | ||
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Pinith
651 Posts
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hallihg
Iceland61 Posts
People who say that there is nothing wrong with this, match fixing, either because 1) it isnt banned in the rules 2) the fixing hadn't taken place 3) it happens in a small tournament 4) the setup of the tournament offers this are immoral and unethical. eSPORTS will never make it as a public SPORT because of people like you. This disgusts me and MorroW especially, a ESL winner, should quit Mouz and apologize. | ||
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cutler
Germany609 Posts
On December 23 2010 01:17 hallihg wrote: They went to the admins after they were caught planning this. People who say that there is nothing wrong with this, match fixing, either because 1) it isnt banned in the rules 2) the fixing hadn't taken place 3) it happens in a small tournament 4) the setup of the tournament offers this are immoral and unethical. eSPORTS will never make it as a public SPORT because you people like you. This disgusts me and MorroW especially, a ESL winner, should quit Mouz and apologize. Wow this is by far the best post in this Thread. | ||
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Sewi
Germany1697 Posts
On December 23 2010 01:16 Pinith wrote: If winning 11 out of the 18 finals is the only way to get the nice computer, this seems like a pretty logical conclusion two top players would come to. I'd say this is more a flaw in the tournament/prize setup than with the players No. Its part of the tournament that you have to be that good to win the computer. Like GSL ´, MLG etc would say, you only win money if you dont lose a single game. It would be stupid, but if you dont like it, dont play in it. Accept the rules/prices or dont play | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
Yeah good logic, and because of people like you it might never be. Foreign tournaments are taking off and getting bigger and better sponsors. If people are trying to "Abuse" the system then this will never work as respected companies will not sponsor such events. If you don't care about that happening then you obviously don't care about esports or the game and if that is true I don't see why you are posting here. | ||
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nRoot
Germany928 Posts
On December 23 2010 01:16 Pinith wrote: If winning 11 out of the 18 finals is the only way to get the nice computer, this seems like a pretty logical conclusion two top players would come to. I'd say this is more a flaw in the tournament/prize setup than with the players My first thought would be to train extra hard to make sure i could go 11-7 vs the other guy in the finals (that's what this special prize is all about btw) ... | ||
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
On December 23 2010 01:09 Piy wrote: Theres nothing wrong with this. If you don't want pro players cleaning out your tournaments then don't allow them. With this set up theres no other thing to do really. No problem with this at all. What's wrong with people like you? Seriously, if you don't like the rules, don't participate in the tournament, If you want the price, win it with your skill, not by fucking cheating. WTF this thread is hilarious, how can you possible support match fixing? And after reading sjows "statements" i'm starting to question if he has ever heard of sportsmanship, or what the hell he is thinking he's doing. Seriously hope they'll get banned from every tournament from now on, this is a huge blow and makes me furious. There are people willing to support the scene, make tournaments / leagues, offer nice prizes, and there are "pros" who just want to make easy cash? If i were a sponsor who were new to the scene and would consider sponsoring something, and read stuff like this, i would consider it twice if i should do it. And after reading this thread, i would seriously come to the conclusion, that i wouldn't ever sponsor anything, cause the community accepts, even endorse this bullshit. | ||
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Odoakar
Croatia1838 Posts
On December 22 2010 23:27 Crovea wrote: I personally don't blame them... it's a stupid tournament setup and it encourages this kind of "cheating". I could easily see myself doing the same thing in their spot. perhaps not while streaming tho. I can't believe there are people thinking like this, with this line of reasoning you could say the BW players cheated because their situation (small salaries, 12h work shifts...) encouraged cheating. The fact is if this went through, you would have players dropping games on purpose and making a mockery of the whole tournament, e-scene and their fans. It's not cheating, it's match fixing - the same thing we saw in BW case. I don't care if they are friends, or in the same team, and not wanting to block the other guy from getting the prize, whatever, you should always play 100% to win. Imagine HuK and Jinro playing finals of a big foreign tournament, and Jinro letting HuK win so he would get an invite into Code A. | ||
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VoirDire
Sweden1923 Posts
In the comment section of the news article on rakaka, Anton Budak, owner of Inferno Online, comments his decision about "No throwaway games, the slightest suspicion and they'll be banned for life" like his: it was a PR stunt :D I'm not sure what to make of that... | ||
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wintergt
Belgium1335 Posts
On December 23 2010 01:17 hallihg wrote: They went to the admins after they were caught planning this. People who say that there is nothing wrong with this, match fixing, either because 1) it isnt banned in the rules 2) the fixing hadn't taken place 3) it happens in a small tournament 4) the setup of the tournament offers this are immoral and unethical. eSPORTS will never make it as a public SPORT because you people like you. This disgusts me and MorroW especially, a ESL winner, should quit Mouz and apologize. No they went to the admin and asked if this was ok, and the admin (a friend of theirs) said it was ok. This was later overruled by the owner of the net café. | ||
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Aberu
United States968 Posts
On December 22 2010 14:59 charlie420247 wrote: this is a TERRIBLE TERRIBLE attitude to have towards cheating. cheating is cheating is cheating. What they were doing wasn't really cheating honestly. They know they could win every tournament, either one of them. You try to be a pro gamer, you make barely any money. The super smash guys got a "scandal" about the top two players (personally), being kicked out of MLG for a possible sandbagging event. It was just rumored, not even proven, and they still banned them from MLG Dallas. The fact is, all of the top players split their money with each other, because without each other, they wouldn't have made it to the top, that's how smash has worked. What they were doing wasn't cheating, they were just hoping that they could come up with a way (since they knew they would always be the top 2 at every tournament) that they wouldn't eliminate each other from getting the best prize. | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
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Spacemanspiff
United States116 Posts
A tournament is set up so there is a bonus prize if you win 11/18 but this prize is not given out if a player only wins 10/18 but still won the tournament. That seems like a poor idea for a prize since it encourages there only being 1 incredibly good player, but having 2 good players have close matches is discouraged. | ||
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