EPTOn December 04 2010 19:26 Woony wrote:
ICCUP for some reason refuses to make maps that would fit in SC2.
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ICCUP for some reason refuses to make maps that would fit in SC2.
What do you feel makes them unfit for SC2?
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Quotidian
Norway1937 Posts
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nalgene
Canada2153 Posts
On December 04 2010 22:57 Shinkugami wrote: Whoever is in charge of balancing SC2 should stop smoking crack/meth... they have two old white guys and one asian guy on their balancing team, but they mostly look at statistics more than anything if they would just add the DA+arbiter back, they wouldn't need to nerf the fungal growth... at least it'll take 3 pylons to block a zerg | ||
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Bleb
Croatia278 Posts
any since it's test realm you maybe won't ever see that... wtf? how can you make viable discussion? and why is every race whining about nerfs and ignoring buffs? ie zerg can't be contained with pylon-cannon that easily (pylon - forge - 3pylon - cannon = too big of an investment so early on) but whine about FG not hiting phoenixes any more? Most of you didn't even use FG in first place... and as for collos phoenix combo... corruptors counter them both... In case someone can prove they don't it's rather easy to buff corruptors have some faith in blizzard ffs | ||
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Teras
Great Britain103 Posts
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Kalpman
Sweden406 Posts
On December 04 2010 23:11 Mr_Kzimir wrote: I almost forgot about that XD Edit : There is a screen somewhere in this thread of a guy playing vs morrow who actually plays toss. Edit 2 : Found ![[image loading]](http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/7213/placementmatch.png) Omg hahahaha! Thats it Im changing to toss.. | ||
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Pharaun
Germany150 Posts
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UisTehSux
United States693 Posts
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ltortoise
633 Posts
On December 04 2010 23:24 Shinkugami wrote: BW certainly was balanced better than this mess. Also it has nothing to do with "time of balance" either; The overall SC1 balance was made little steps at a time while sc2 "balance changes" are complete overhauls changing the entire metagame EVERY DAMN TIME. Plus some of these changes like Fungal not affecting air are downright retarded. It should be clear to anyone not drowning in fanboyism that Blizz has no f*kin clue about what they're doing. This isn't even TRUE! How do you people even have the creativity to make this crap up? Starcraft had massive patches numerous times filled with large changes to dps, health, unit cost, range, abilities...etc See for yourself: http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/StarCraft_version_history Patches 1.04 and 1.08 in particular were HUUUGE. | ||
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MiraKul
Malaysia498 Posts
On December 04 2010 23:26 Bleb wrote: dear god why so many comments about something that you haven't even seen/tried out? any since it's test realm you maybe won't ever see that... wtf? how can you make viable discussion? and why is every race whining about nerfs and ignoring buffs? ie zerg can't be contained with pylon-cannon that easily (pylon - forge - 3pylon - cannon = too big of an investment so early on) but whine about FG not hiting phoenixes any more? Most of you didn't even use FG in first place... and as for collos phoenix combo... corruptors counter them both... In case someone can prove they don't it's rather easy to buff corruptors have some faith in blizzard ffs +1 Go and mass some games then only comment  | ||
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cocosoft
Sweden1068 Posts
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Ulthran.steve
Bulgaria14 Posts
Also banshee+vikings to kill any overseers!? also the hotkey change...yeah like it wasn't APM intensive enough...I see an army coming and I want to make lings but by the time I clicked Z 23 times I see the defeat screen -_- Ultralisk is a very small buff. It used to do damge from the center of enemy units...they nerfed it to the ground and made it from the center of the ultra...now its in front of it...a very minor change that I doubt I will even notice. | ||
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
Fixed an issue where Larva could produce units by holding down hotkeys HATE!!! NERDRAGE!!! OMFG!!! I am disgusted by this change. Reminds of the patch in beta when blizz removed wireframe casting. Its retarded to try and balance a game through the interface instead of the game mechanics. Also it is very painful to have core mechanics changed and having to relearn patterns that have to be automatized 100% to be successful at a high level. This kind of automatization takes a TON of games, so basically means any good Z player will takes his sweet time until he is back at the level he is right now. The infestor change doesnt bother me at all compared to the crappy interface nerf. Why not remove hotkey for spawn larva while ur at it??  | ||
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ahwala
Germany402 Posts
On December 04 2010 23:20 ltortoise wrote: Yes because Starcraft before Brood War was totally balanced... What is wrong with you?? He is just right. Almost every new patch makes things worse. What the shit is this new map for example? Isn't it time for some maps that are larger and allow for a higher reaction time for the defending player and thus encouraging for longer, more interesting games? Why the fuck buff Phoenixes while nerfing Infestors? Why the hell encourage Terran bio all-ins even more? Have you seen GSL or any other tournament-games lately? Isn't a vast majority of them just stupid gimmicky bullshit one- or two-base all-ins at best? Is this really supposed to be the successor of broodwar? | ||
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Shinkugami
England74 Posts
On December 04 2010 23:28 Pharaun wrote: you're all so funny, its the TEST SERVER not the real servers, who said this patch will apply 100% to the real servers? It's just some testing. The WoW test servers are proof enough that blizzard doesn't give a rats ass about overall balance and that most "test" game-breaking crap often end up implemented regardless... | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On December 04 2010 23:28 Pharaun wrote: you're all so funny, its the TEST SERVER not the real servers, who said this patch will apply 100% to the real servers? It's just some testing. I think the logic goes like this: OMFG, Blizzard makes such massive changes, if even half of it makes it to the live servers the game will be completely different and the balance we have reached atm (tilted one way or the other depending on the map) is screwed even more. | ||
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Grummler
Germany743 Posts
We get - chat channels - custom hotkeys - a public test server (there was a thread were a bunch of hateboys cried blood and tears because there is no public testserver - a shitload of bug fixes - a lot of really nice balance changes. (scv repair prioritiy, pylon wall in, ...) ... - and infestors that cant use fungal on air units anymore. While we dont even know how the fungal change will influence the balance, a lot of people go crazy about it and ignore everything else. I mean, 1.2.0 is a nice patch, take it easy. | ||
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Rflcrx
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
On December 04 2010 19:26 Woony wrote: ICCUP for some reason refuses to make maps that would fit in SC2. ................ ICCUP are the only ones so far who has tried to make TONS of maps for SC2 for competive play and tournaments, no idea what your talking about On December 04 2010 23:29 cocosoft wrote: If you know Blizzard, then you should know that they don't change back something they regret. (pointing at beta patches) they have changed something back before (Overseer abilities for excample) | ||
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Polygamy
Austria1114 Posts
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aquanda
United States477 Posts
On December 04 2010 16:34 spacemonkeyy wrote: Protoss player here. Have been wanting a buff for a long time, and for the most of the part I am happy. I think people are blowing the phoenix issue completely out of the water. This may result in 1-2 more phoenix than per usual generally. People tend to forget that even if units were instabuilt there is still a cap to how many of them you can produce (your resources) so it is not like the toss players are going to necessarily get that much more (perhaps a little faster and with less stargates). Seriously 1-2 more phoenix per ball is a non-issue, can only harrass and require a tech switch to win the game anyway. Plenty of counters to phoenix. PVP- good to see an anti-collosus unit that isn't a collosus- very happy PVT- cheaper obs and quicker hallucinate may allow non-robo openings vs terran (quick hallucinate to scout for banshees) although not convinced it will really fix the main issues which is that blizzard nerfed the hell out of battlecruisers/repears and now most terran go bio so then most toss go collosus. I am very glad the repair issue has been patched although I can't help but feel like they should have restored battlecruisers and nerfed the MMM ball. Time will tell PVZ- not sure what to make of this match-up. Currently I think it is fairly balanced as is which is why I am confused to why they are tinkering with it. I'm sure a lot of protoss players have been in the situation where they have 10 mutas fly into their base and they haven't got a stargate up and from that point on it is incredibly hard to keep up with production. Mutas are so powerful vs toss and very diverse in their usefulness and currently the muta-ling strategy does seem a little hard to stop. The issue is that phoenix are supposed to be the (sorry Day 9) hard counters to mutas. That is their main purpose in the game, and as it is you almost have to have your first few phoenix out before the mutas pop to really keep up with production. As for FG I saw gunea pig lose his whole phoenix army to 1 FG and have also seen vikings also similarly sniped. I think blizzard want to encourage corrupter (as anti air)/broodlord tech. Also when compared to EMP and Storm seems a lot more powerful, can't be dodged and you can't retreat. You must be platinum because no high lever player makes mutas vs toss if they want to win. The only reason they make a spire right now is to deal with a pack of pheonix (but not kill of course because there's no way to catch them lol) with corrupter or to deal with collosus with corrupter. Muta is so easily countered with sentry stalker (which every toss will be making all game anyway) muta is a guaranteed loss. Find me a top zerg beating a top toss with mass muta in the last 3 weeks and I'll apologize for assuming your ladder rank. User was warned for this post | ||
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