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Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
December 04 2010 13:55 GMT
#1821
Dudes, chill.
It was the same on PvZ after Roach 4 range.
Protoss tried to adapt as good as they could, throwing down stargates with void rays etc.

Let's see how it plays out.
wat
Applecakes
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia319 Posts
December 04 2010 13:55 GMT
#1822
On December 04 2010 22:53 Zalias wrote:
Ok, fungal doesn't hit air. I'm ok with that if storm doesn't hit air also...Other races has Aoe damage vs air and zerg doesn't.


If Terran can't have larvae, neither can Zerg!
andrewwiggin
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia435 Posts
December 04 2010 13:55 GMT
#1823
Hm.

I just realised something...

..If every protoss player from now does their best to lose more than usual in all their matchups, then we might actually be able to convince Blizzard to keep the one (potential) buff that protoss have gotten in a while..


I got to lose me some PvZs! =O
KingVietKong
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States170 Posts
December 04 2010 13:56 GMT
#1824
Don't really get the fungal growth change. Doesn't really matter to me much I didn't use it as AA much in the first place, but it just seems... unnecessary. What great imbalance did fungal growth create in air?

A lot of these changes seem like things that didn't really much matter. Flux vanes? Did someone just find a way to abuse the hell out of them? Honestly I'm glad it's gone though, always made me think of some "Mr. Nuclear-esque" purple/blue-glowing radioactive phallus.
Zalias
Profile Joined June 2010
Lithuania79 Posts
December 04 2010 13:57 GMT
#1825
On December 04 2010 22:55 Applecakes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 22:53 Zalias wrote:
Ok, fungal doesn't hit air. I'm ok with that if storm doesn't hit air also...Other races has Aoe damage vs air and zerg doesn't.


If Terran can't have larvae, neither can Zerg!

Ironic statements good when they are at right time. Fungal was the only thing, which was good and reasonable vs mass air of protoss or terran
Shinkugami
Profile Joined November 2010
England74 Posts
December 04 2010 13:57 GMT
#1826
Whoever is in charge of balancing SC2 should stop smoking crack/meth...
Rock on !
Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
December 04 2010 13:58 GMT
#1827
On December 04 2010 22:40 andrewwiggin wrote:

So...

Zerg have to deal with a mass of fast flying air units that are great at harassing masses of probes/drones/scvs.

.... wait a minute...





P.S f/edit: Zergs are the biggest whiners.. ever. The first patch where they don't get something they like, and suddenly, it's OMG PROTOSS AIR UNBEATABLE NOW OMG NERF NERF NERF!

I'm sick of zerg whining.

Yes, you have to use keys for production normally... just like every other race.

Yes, you have to protect yourself from air harrassment now... just like every other race.

Yes, you have to think strategically now about where you put your 'supply' units (aka overlords) and god forbid, protect them... just like every other race.


...Go cry yourselves to sleep with nightmares about my 'IMBA' phoenixes.




Everytime there is a patch, people are whining. It just doesn't matter what is patched or nerfed. When Terran got nerfed twice, so many Terrans started whine-threads. I am a Terran player and I didn't like Terran nerfes. But I accepted them and I'm fine with the game now.
After every patch the game changed. New strategies were invented and that will also happen after this patch. Before complaining you should wait a few weeks, see tournament results and try to think about new strategies and adaptions.
Just ahead of time, know your addiction's not a crime. It's just a smaller part of who you want to become in the end.
kedinik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States352 Posts
December 04 2010 13:58 GMT
#1828
I think void rays got shafted with the patch and I hope they reinstate Flux Vanes.

Like, protoss were just barely learning how to incorporate void rays as situational support units, but it will be so hard to keep them alive late game without the speed upgrade.
Spidinko
Profile Joined May 2010
Slovakia1174 Posts
December 04 2010 13:58 GMT
#1829
What's up with all those agressive comments towards zerg players. It's normal for players to be curious about the changes. I'm not the one to scream imba but saying "booohoo every other race has to deal with it" or "zerg late game is imba" is even worse. Stop bashing each other.

About the patch...many great features will be added so yeah that's cool. Infestor nerf is unfortunate. Overall I'm really looking forward to it. I find playing against pheonix heavy play annoying so I think I'm gonna have a hard time when the patch comes live. Hope they get PTR up on EU as well so we can test it as it looks like it's going to be up almost whole month.
andrewwiggin
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia435 Posts
December 04 2010 13:59 GMT
#1830
On December 04 2010 22:57 Shinkugami wrote:
Whoever is in charge of balancing SC2 should stop smoking crack/meth...


What.
Retgery
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1229 Posts
December 04 2010 13:59 GMT
#1831
Wait what? They're buffing protoss? First time for everything
Fall down 7 times, stand up 8.
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
December 04 2010 13:59 GMT
#1832
I'm happy chat channels are implemented, but what about the clan system?

Concerning the patch, its a bit early to tell. I'm not convinced by the fungal change, if they wanted to promote the void ray (if this is the official goal), that wasnt the way to do it. The key hold nerf for larva production is stupid.
andrewwiggin
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia435 Posts
December 04 2010 14:01 GMT
#1833
On December 04 2010 22:59 Retgery wrote:
Wait what? They're buffing protoss? First time for everything


LOL. It's a patch test. So technically, nothing's been 'buffed' for certain yet. And with all the complaining Blizzards going to hear from Zerg/Terran players, I doubt it's going to be introduced live...

=(
Mr_Kzimir
Profile Joined August 2010
France268 Posts
December 04 2010 14:01 GMT
#1834
On December 04 2010 22:25 ghostnuke1234 wrote:
Fixed this for you:

Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 22:20 Applecakes wrote:
Playing PvZ is going to be great now. I'm gunna spam my roaches and totally wreck the Protoss. While I'm doing this I'm going to build 5 roaches, 15 roaches and 10 roaches. When I get sick of autowin I might change to opening with a billion roaches then double expand and protect my bases with the 150 roaches I'll be able to produce while making all my mutas.

Wait, what's this "money" thing you're talking about? No get out. Zerg isn't capped by resources. I can build shit to counter everything!


Damn that quote was Hilarious
"Infantry , it's all about it"
ghostnuke1234
Profile Joined April 2010
164 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-04 14:06:04
December 04 2010 14:02 GMT
#1835
On December 04 2010 22:58 Spidinko wrote:
What's up with all those agressive comments towards zerg players.


Because Zerg has won GSL 1, GSL 2, and GOM TV All Stars - the three biggest SC2 tournaments to date, and yet they still QQ when it is apparent there are balance issues that Blizzard is addressing in this patch. Heck, the patch isn't even going live - it's only on a test server but the QQ is already deafening.
ltortoise
Profile Joined August 2010
633 Posts
December 04 2010 14:02 GMT
#1836
On December 04 2010 22:59 Roggay wrote:
I'm happy chat channels are implemented, but what about the clan system?

Concerning the patch, its a bit early to tell. I'm not convinced by the fungal change, if they wanted to promote the void ray (if this is the official goal), that wasnt the way to do it. The key hold nerf for larva production is stupid.


Why do people think it's JUST the void ray?

How were you supposed to mass ANY kind of air against Zerg once Infestors were in play?

As a Terran, the second I saw Infestors I knew I would be unable to produce the following units in any quantity without having them get insta-pwned:

Raven
Banshee
Viking

Infestors were without a doubt the best AA in the game.
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-04 14:05:37
December 04 2010 14:04 GMT
#1837
On December 04 2010 23:02 ltortoise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 22:59 Roggay wrote:
I'm happy chat channels are implemented, but what about the clan system?

Concerning the patch, its a bit early to tell. I'm not convinced by the fungal change, if they wanted to promote the void ray (if this is the official goal), that wasnt the way to do it. The key hold nerf for larva production is stupid.


Why do people think it's JUST the void ray?

How were you supposed to mass ANY kind of air against Zerg once Infestors were in play?

As a Terran, the second I saw Infestors I knew I would be unable to produce the following units in any quantity without having them get insta-pwned:

Raven
Banshee
Viking

Infestors were without a doubt the best AA in the game.


No, I said that because someone posted (I think Zelniq) that he had been told that blizzard nerfed fungal growth because they removed void ray speed. And it is a pitiful way to solve the problem.
Shinkugami
Profile Joined November 2010
England74 Posts
December 04 2010 14:04 GMT
#1838
You guys bashing on "zerg whiners" don't seem to get something very fundamental :

Zergs no longer have anything that can counter mass phoenixes/viking or even mutas for that matter.

Dropships are gonna have the time of their lives too...
Rock on !
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
December 04 2010 14:04 GMT
#1839
andrewwiggin Australia. November 28 2010 21:01. Posts 121 PM Profile Quote #
Its cost effectiveness/small things.

Stalkers aren't cost effective.
Zealots are CERTAINLY NOT cost effective (they do 0 damage to marines/marauders).
Sentries are 150 gas - what other 1.5 tier unit is 150 gas, and does almost probe-like damage? =/

Blizzard really needs to wake up. Really.


Don't be a hypocrit, looking at your post history you just subtley whine in every thread and now when it's zergs turn to whine again apparently they can't.
sAviOr...
Gulzt
Profile Joined August 2009
Netherlands275 Posts
December 04 2010 14:04 GMT
#1840
Instead of complaining go test the patch and send us (other region people) some screenshots! Make yourself useful.
The master league icon hasn't been posted yet, maybe the first people are already in it?
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