EPTImagine a map like Scrap, have fun trying to defend main and natural workers against a moving blob of mutas without FG.
Patch 1.2.0 on PTR - Page 90
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KaiserJohan
Sweden1808 Posts
Imagine a map like Scrap, have fun trying to defend main and natural workers against a moving blob of mutas without FG. | ||
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MrKermit
France3 Posts
now zvz is gonna be stupid again  | ||
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crappen
Norway1546 Posts
On December 04 2010 22:23 Endorsed wrote: Wait. Isn't that the most important and biggest Starcraft 2 tournament? Damn, zergs are having it rough. It is so unfair that you look at 2 extremely skilled players and kind of say that we are over the top and deserved to be "fixed". As of round of 8, you can see the representation is very good, and that protoss have started to use air much more with great success. I dont know why Blizzard made these changes at all, the game was very balanced at this point. They should atleast have waited another month or two. But we still have 1 month of testing on the test realm so many things can change. | ||
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cHicKeLoR
Germany559 Posts
but plunder as a new map.. sounds awesome.. but i fear it will be a total anti zerg map :D | ||
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Darhaja
United States108 Posts
On December 04 2010 22:29 shannn wrote: Now that I remember July's game. July somehow already showed some things for the Zerg. He went corruptors and Hydra/ling I think against MC with phoenix/sentry/stalkers (and collossi at end). MC won ofcourse by superior numbers of units but it did show how it would be when there are no infestor plays involved vs P air. That's because people in the GSL refue to use infestor's and in that game its was a few phoenixes.. and july had corruptors so why would he need infestors anyways, AND it was a freaking huge stalker ball for most of the game a splash of phoenixes for scouting purposes. Infestors are mainly used with ling bling muta so u can have a good cost effective exchange in the air war because mutas are freaking bad alone | ||
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Wayem
France455 Posts
On December 04 2010 22:20 Applecakes wrote: Playing PvZ is going to be great now. I'm gunna spam my phoenix and totally wreck the Zerg. While I'm doing this I'm going to build 5 colossi, 15 sentries and 10 void rays. When I get sick of autowin I might change to opening with a billion phoenix then double expand and protect my bases with the 150 gateway units I'll be able to produce while making all my phoenix. Wait, what's this "money" thing you're talking about? No get out. Protoss isn't capped by resources. I can build shit to counter everything! Man you're such a noob. I'm sorry but that's true... don't you know that the sandard is the 20 HT 30 carriers Mothership timing push on one base ? Protoss is so OP.. | ||
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kedinik
United States352 Posts
On December 04 2010 22:31 ltortoise wrote: I find this hard to believe. How long have you been testing? A single night? A few hours? And you've already decided that Zerg "cannot kill" the Ravens? I think Blizzard deserves a bit more resilience in testing than that. Hydras, queens, spore crawlers, mutas, corruptors. Try to win fights against mass air when those are your only anti air and PDD hard counters all of them. | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On December 04 2010 22:29 shannn wrote: Now that I remember July's game. July somehow already showed some things for the Zerg. He went corruptors and Hydra/ling I think against MC with phoenix/sentry/stalkers (and collossi at end). MC won ofcourse by superior numbers of units but it did show how it would be when there are no infestor plays involved vs P air. From what I saw he opened phoenix which July dealt with easily, but the point of it was to force July down a certain tech path and then just rape him with a billion stalkers. Fungal wouldn't really have done anything there. | ||
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EmilA
Denmark4618 Posts
• Autocast repair will now charge the player requesting autocast functionality. and the comment on the bunker change "This is only temporary for the PTR" thing for me? | ||
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ltortoise
633 Posts
On December 04 2010 22:34 kedinik wrote: Hydras, queens, spore crawlers, mutas, corruptors. Try to win fights against raven/banshee/viking when those are your only anti air and PDD hard counters all of them. Nothing is ever as simple as you're making it out to be. PDD stops 20 shots and 20 shots only. And plus SC2 is a game of TIMING more than anything. Maybe you could just go kill the Terran before he gets his cute units, or force him to use his spells defensive instead, etc. It gets super old reading these threads every time after a patch with people saying things like "OMG ____ STRATEGY HAS NO COUNTER NOW" and it's been literally like a single night of testing and you come to this conclusion. Sorry to say but you're probably wrong. | ||
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Almania
145 Posts
On December 04 2010 22:36 EmilA wrote: Can somebody explain • Autocast repair will now charge the player requesting autocast functionality. and the comment on the bunker change "This is only temporary for the PTR" thing for me? The first applies to team games. Consider a terran player with a bunch of SCVs on auto repair. If the protoss player moves his immortal over to them, the protoss player will be charged for the repairs. The second... I'm unsure. I think it just means it's even less set in stone than the other changes. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
whats the point i hope people go apeshit ong blizz, caus the rest of the patch is really good | ||
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andrewwiggin
Australia435 Posts
So... Zerg have to deal with a mass of fast flying air units that are great at harassing masses of probes/drones/scvs. .... wait a minute... P.S f/edit: Zergs are the biggest whiners.. ever. The first patch where they don't get something they like, and suddenly, it's OMG PROTOSS AIR UNBEATABLE NOW OMG NERF NERF NERF! I'm sick of zerg whining. Yes, you have to use keys for production normally... just like every other race. Yes, you have to protect yourself from air harrassment now... just like every other race. Yes, you have to think strategically now about where you put your 'supply' units (aka overlords) and god forbid, protect them... just like every other race. ...Go cry yourselves to sleep with nightmares about my 'IMBA' phoenixes. | ||
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Gulzt
Netherlands275 Posts
On December 04 2010 22:36 EmilA wrote: Can somebody explain • Autocast repair will now charge the player requesting autocast functionality. and the comment on the bunker change "This is only temporary for the PTR" thing for me? This is for 2v2 and other teamgames. You can share "unit control", so you can control the units of your allies. With this, one of the things you can do is put ally SCV's on auto-repair. Currently the owner of the SCV has to pay for the repair costs. This has changed. The player who choose the auto-repair pays for the repair costs in the new patch. Bunker Change is a mistake, it was left in this build and they noticed too late [source?]. Instead of delaying this Public beta they choose to leave it in. It will not be in the official patch. | ||
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beridoxy
France54 Posts
And no cooldown on mules or chronoboost. | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On December 04 2010 22:40 andrewwiggin wrote: So... Zerg have to deal with a mass of fast flying air units that are great at harassing masses of probes/drones/scvs. .... wait a minute... P.S f/edit: Zergs are the biggest whiners.. ever. The first patch where they don't get something they like, and suddenly, it's OMG PROTOSS AIR UNBEATABLE NOW OMG NERF NERF NERF! I'm sick of zerg whining. Yes, you have to use keys for production normally... just like every other race. Yes, you have to protect yourself from air harrassment now... just like every other race. Yes, you have to think strategically now about where you put your 'supply' units (aka overlords) and god forbid, protect them... just like every other race. ...Go cry yourselves to sleep with nightmares about my 'IMBA' phoenixes. ...say, you're whining that zergs are whining? cool. | ||
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MilesTeg
France1271 Posts
The rest seems great! | ||
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kirbynator
Canada503 Posts
On December 04 2010 22:40 andrewwiggin wrote: So... Zerg have to deal with a mass of fast flying air units that are great at harassing masses of probes/drones/scvs. .... wait a minute... P.S f/edit: Zergs are the biggest whiners.. ever. The first patch where they don't get something they like, and suddenly, it's OMG PROTOSS AIR UNBEATABLE NOW OMG NERF NERF NERF! I'm sick of zerg whining. Yes, you have to use keys for production normally... just like every other race. Yes, you have to protect yourself from air harrassment now... just like every other race. Yes, you have to think strategically now about where you put your 'supply' units (aka overlords) and god forbid, protect them... just like every other race. ...Go cry yourselves to sleep with nightmares about my 'IMBA' phoenixes. you're so dillusionnal it's getting to the point of being cute | ||
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andrewwiggin
Australia435 Posts
On December 04 2010 22:42 zhurai wrote: ...say, you're whining that zergs are whining? cool. I play zerg sometimes, It's bringing out the whiner in me. | ||
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andrewwiggin
Australia435 Posts
On December 04 2010 22:42 kirbynator wrote: you're so dillusionnal it's getting to the point of being cute Dillusionnal? Mind writing your own dictionary while you're at it? | ||
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