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Applecakes
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia319 Posts
December 04 2010 13:20 GMT
#1761
Playing PvZ is going to be great now. I'm gunna spam my phoenix and totally wreck the Zerg. While I'm doing this I'm going to build 5 colossi, 15 sentries and 10 void rays. When I get sick of autowin I might change to opening with a billion phoenix then double expand and protect my bases with the 150 gateway units I'll be able to produce while making all my phoenix.

Wait, what's this "money" thing you're talking about? No get out. Protoss isn't capped by resources. I can build shit to counter everything!
Endorsed
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1221 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-04 13:22:25
December 04 2010 13:22 GMT
#1762
3. If terran invests less in m&m they can invest in units that.. i dunno, might win them them a game that goes longer than 10 minutes?


Lol. You REALLY think terrans haven't experimented with anything else? Dude, battle cruisers are TRASH. Stalkers are cost effective against them, yeah lol. Thors are great to have with your MMM unit composition. But they get destroyed by charge zealots. They are basically big tanks so storm is less effective. Also people have tried going blue flame hellions, but they failed.


Vindubs
Profile Joined May 2010
United States110 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-04 13:22:56
December 04 2010 13:22 GMT
#1763
On December 04 2010 10:59 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 10:58 FinestHour wrote:
On December 04 2010 10:56 bonedriven wrote:
I think Infestor will become more useless?


How did a buff make the unit more useless? Feel free to elaborate.


i think u missed the "fungal doesnt hit air"


anyways i love how zergs are IMMEDIATELY QQing. zergs have had it soooooo rough, right? zergs never win anything!



ya except the first 2 GSLs. lol le sigh
Stephano,Sase,Naniwa HWAITING!
Endorsed
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1221 Posts
December 04 2010 13:23 GMT
#1764
On December 04 2010 22:22 Vindubs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 10:59 travis wrote:
On December 04 2010 10:58 FinestHour wrote:
On December 04 2010 10:56 bonedriven wrote:
I think Infestor will become more useless?


How did a buff make the unit more useless? Feel free to elaborate.


i think u missed the "fungal doesnt hit air"


anyways i love how zergs are IMMEDIATELY QQing. zergs have had it soooooo rough, right? zergs never win anything!



ya except the first 2 GSLs.


Wait. Isn't that the most important and biggest Starcraft 2 tournament? Damn, zergs are having it rough.
Lucius2
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany548 Posts
December 04 2010 13:23 GMT
#1765
i fuckin do not understand why ppl even now always build hydras vs phx. everyone is taling about hydras

ever heard of corruptors? they also counter collosus i heard
chasfrank
Profile Joined March 2010
Gambia59 Posts
December 04 2010 13:24 GMT
#1766
LOL did you even play the game? Raven has hunter seeker missile, what's exactly made vs. huge balls of units. Not to mention terran has thor who is made to fight huge balls of mutas.


Seeker Missiles cost considerably more to get, cost considerably more to cast and are considerably worse. On top of that, they can be avoided. How can you even compare these spells?
douglashv
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Venezuela73 Posts
December 04 2010 13:24 GMT
#1767
On December 04 2010 22:09 Gulzt wrote:
@ douglashv
awesome! Is he a "master yet"? If so, can you post the icon?? It's not published yet anywhere.


It was only his third game...
Just Be!
ghostnuke1234
Profile Joined April 2010
164 Posts
December 04 2010 13:25 GMT
#1768
On December 04 2010 22:20 Applecakes wrote:
Playing PvZ is going to be great now. I'm gunna spam my phoenix and totally wreck the Zerg. While I'm doing this I'm going to build 5 colossi, 15 sentries and 10 void rays. When I get sick of autowin I might change to opening with a billion phoenix then double expand and protect my bases with the 150 gateway units I'll be able to produce while making all my phoenix.

Wait, what's this "money" thing you're talking about? No get out. Protoss isn't capped by resources. I can build shit to counter everything!


Fixed this for you:

On December 04 2010 22:20 Applecakes wrote:
Playing PvZ is going to be great now. I'm gunna spam my roaches and totally wreck the Protoss. While I'm doing this I'm going to build 5 roaches, 15 roaches and 10 roaches. When I get sick of autowin I might change to opening with a billion roaches then double expand and protect my bases with the 150 roaches I'll be able to produce while making all my mutas.

Wait, what's this "money" thing you're talking about? No get out. Zerg isn't capped by resources. I can build shit to counter everything!
ltortoise
Profile Joined August 2010
633 Posts
December 04 2010 13:25 GMT
#1769
I'm glad that Raven balls will now be viable against lategame Zergs who make Infestors.

Before it was like walking a tightrope where if you let 1 good fungal get cast on you, it could cost you literally over a thousand gas. Kind of absurd.
QofQfromtehQ
Profile Joined October 2010
29 Posts
December 04 2010 13:26 GMT
#1770
Zerg is sad because they dont win EVERY single tournament with just holding down one key in lategame and protecting themselves with op fungal growth spam when the toss or T is trying to leave his base. poor zergs out there.
Applecakes
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia319 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-04 13:27:49
December 04 2010 13:26 GMT
#1771
On December 04 2010 22:25 ghostnuke1234 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 22:20 Applecakes wrote:
Playing PvZ is going to be great now. I'm gunna spam my phoenix and totally wreck the Zerg. While I'm doing this I'm going to build 5 colossi, 15 sentries and 10 void rays. When I get sick of autowin I might change to opening with a billion phoenix then double expand and protect my bases with the 150 gateway units I'll be able to produce while making all my phoenix.

Wait, what's this "money" thing you're talking about? No get out. Protoss isn't capped by resources. I can build shit to counter everything!


Fixed this for you:

Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 22:20 Applecakes wrote:
Playing PvZ is going to be great now. I'm gunna spam my roaches and totally wreck the Protoss. While I'm doing this I'm going to build 5 roaches, 15 roaches and 10 roaches. When I get sick of autowin I might change to opening with a billion roaches then double expand and protect my bases with the 150 roaches I'll be able to produce while making all my mutas.

Wait, what's this "money" thing you're talking about? No get out. Zerg isn't capped by resources. I can build shit to counter everything!


Indeed

Sadly everyone is conceptualising all these changes in some kind of weird and wonderful game where units cost nothing.
ghostnuke1234
Profile Joined April 2010
164 Posts
December 04 2010 13:26 GMT
#1772
On December 04 2010 22:22 Vindubs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 10:59 travis wrote:
On December 04 2010 10:58 FinestHour wrote:
On December 04 2010 10:56 bonedriven wrote:
I think Infestor will become more useless?


How did a buff make the unit more useless? Feel free to elaborate.


i think u missed the "fungal doesnt hit air"


anyways i love how zergs are IMMEDIATELY QQing. zergs have had it soooooo rough, right? zergs never win anything!



ya except the first 2 GSLs. lol le sigh


And GOM All-Star, LOL. 2 GSLs and GOM All-Star - that's the 3 most prestigious SC2 tournaments since release, LOL.
Darhaja
Profile Joined September 2010
United States108 Posts
December 04 2010 13:27 GMT
#1773
On December 04 2010 22:22 Vindubs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 10:59 travis wrote:
On December 04 2010 10:58 FinestHour wrote:
On December 04 2010 10:56 bonedriven wrote:
I think Infestor will become more useless?


How did a buff make the unit more useless? Feel free to elaborate.


i think u missed the "fungal doesnt hit air"


anyways i love how zergs are IMMEDIATELY QQing. zergs have had it soooooo rough, right? zergs never win anything!



ya except the first 2 GSLs. lol le sigh


Yeah and 3 out of 4 in the top 4 was terrans BOTH seasons gtfo with that zergs won 2 GSL BS, terrans are by far the best race atm. Oh yeah you should include all of the other tourneys besides the GSL.. look at the stats, mainly terrans to, and the top 8 of all of those tourneys.. Protoss is still keeping up there just isn't a lot of competative protoss players atm honestly.
kedinik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States352 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-04 13:29:28
December 04 2010 13:28 GMT
#1774
On December 04 2010 22:25 ltortoise wrote:
I'm glad that Raven balls will now be viable against lategame Zergs who make Infestors.

Before it was like walking a tightrope where if you let 1 good fungal get cast on you, it could cost you literally over a thousand gas. Kind of absurd.


They're not just viable; they're literally unkillable, along with all their viking and banshee buddies.

Go ahead, try it on the test server. All air units all the time, zerg can't touch it without fungal.

No joke, PDD hard counters everything else they have.
shannn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2891 Posts
December 04 2010 13:29 GMT
#1775
Now that I remember July's game. July somehow already showed some things for the Zerg. He went corruptors and Hydra/ling I think against MC with phoenix/sentry/stalkers (and collossi at end). MC won ofcourse by superior numbers of units but it did show how it would be when there are no infestor plays involved vs P air.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6321864 Epic post.
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
December 04 2010 13:30 GMT
#1776
On December 04 2010 22:27 Darhaja wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 22:22 Vindubs wrote:
On December 04 2010 10:59 travis wrote:
On December 04 2010 10:58 FinestHour wrote:
On December 04 2010 10:56 bonedriven wrote:
I think Infestor will become more useless?


How did a buff make the unit more useless? Feel free to elaborate.


i think u missed the "fungal doesnt hit air"


anyways i love how zergs are IMMEDIATELY QQing. zergs have had it soooooo rough, right? zergs never win anything!



ya except the first 2 GSLs. lol le sigh


Yeah and 3 out of 4 in the top 4 was terrans BOTH seasons gtfo with that zergs won 2 GSL BS, terrans are by far the best race atm. Oh yeah you should include all of the other tourneys besides the GSL.. look at the stats, mainly terrans to, and the top 8 of all of those tourneys.. Protoss is still keeping up there just isn't a lot of competative protoss players atm honestly.

yeah good excuse protosses sucks so that's why there's not many in the top lololol
theKalash
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany15 Posts
December 04 2010 13:30 GMT
#1777
- Fixed an issue where Larva could produce units by holding down hotkeys.

Wait? Does that mean I can't hold down a Key to mass produce a Unit? That would suck.
ltortoise
Profile Joined August 2010
633 Posts
December 04 2010 13:31 GMT
#1778
On December 04 2010 22:28 kedinik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 22:25 ltortoise wrote:
I'm glad that Raven balls will now be viable against lategame Zergs who make Infestors.

Before it was like walking a tightrope where if you let 1 good fungal get cast on you, it could cost you literally over a thousand gas. Kind of absurd.


They're not just viable; they're literally unkillable, along with all their viking and banshee buddies.

Go ahead, try it on the test server. All air units all the time, zerg can't touch it without fungal.

No joke, PDD hard counters everything else they have.


I find this hard to believe. How long have you been testing? A single night? A few hours? And you've already decided that Zerg "cannot kill" the Ravens?

I think Blizzard deserves a bit more resilience in testing than that.
kedinik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States352 Posts
December 04 2010 13:31 GMT
#1779
On December 04 2010 22:30 Fayth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 22:27 Darhaja wrote:
On December 04 2010 22:22 Vindubs wrote:
On December 04 2010 10:59 travis wrote:
On December 04 2010 10:58 FinestHour wrote:
On December 04 2010 10:56 bonedriven wrote:
I think Infestor will become more useless?


How did a buff make the unit more useless? Feel free to elaborate.


i think u missed the "fungal doesnt hit air"


anyways i love how zergs are IMMEDIATELY QQing. zergs have had it soooooo rough, right? zergs never win anything!



ya except the first 2 GSLs. lol le sigh


Yeah and 3 out of 4 in the top 4 was terrans BOTH seasons gtfo with that zergs won 2 GSL BS, terrans are by far the best race atm. Oh yeah you should include all of the other tourneys besides the GSL.. look at the stats, mainly terrans to, and the top 8 of all of those tourneys.. Protoss is still keeping up there just isn't a lot of competative protoss players atm honestly.

yeah good excuse protosses sucks so that's why there's not many in the top lololol


Man, did you see Choya play?

He's pretty much the best protoss around and he usually all-ins off 1 base, sometimes off 2 if he's feeling crazy.
cocosoft
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1068 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-04 13:34:09
December 04 2010 13:32 GMT
#1780
People that blame Zerg players for whining are retards.
Seriously, how is PvZ(phoenix, and they even got buffed) and ZvZ(one goes mutas) going to be?
Zerg basically got the worst anti-air of all three races... And now nerfing a key spell is going to be hell.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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