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Almania
145 Posts
Would help Ravens. Would help ZvZ. Would buff phoenixes and bring more corruptors into ZvP. Problem solved. On December 04 2010 21:15 Sewi wrote: The same applies to abilities. Shift click to cast an ability multiple times No, to do the same as holding down the button is now "ctrl click caster", "stop", and then "shift click". Shift clicking without doing the first two actions is quite different. | ||
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N0cturnal
United Kingdom40 Posts
I also think cheap observers and halucination buff will improve PvP a lot. Scouting will be far easier and more viable with less gas cost. | ||
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Kazzoo
France368 Posts
Glad they made this change. | ||
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ghostnuke1234
164 Posts
On December 04 2010 21:24 Silidons wrote: They think mutas are so OP now that they can't use FG on them, well how the hell did they think we felt this entire time? It's seems very odd to me that they act like they don't even have a unit called the Corruptor, and then whine about making hydras while completely rape warpgate units and say that a 2 base toss can mass phoenix, gateway units, AND colossus!!! LOL Yup, definitely! Now Z players realize how strong Mutas are in their own matchup. Imagine how T and P felt about Mutas all this long? | ||
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ensis
Germany340 Posts
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MGHova
Canada274 Posts
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SedativeDev
Slovenia316 Posts
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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
So the patch would likely to be implemented in a week or 2 ? Besides that. Is the PTR only available on SEA/NA servers? | ||
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DiZasteR
Netherlands84 Posts
On December 04 2010 21:16 lolaloc wrote: Try remaxing while you're losing units in a battle. It's better than simply making units after the battle. How will it be possible hitting thesame button 30-50 times DURING a battle while you are trying to microand actually win it. | ||
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ltortoise
633 Posts
• Fixed an issue with harvesting units bypassing force fields. So does this mean Protosses are going to forcefield my mineral line a lot more? | ||
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smileyyy
Germany1816 Posts
On December 04 2010 21:24 Silidons wrote: I agree 100% (original quote is what I love the most) and all Zergs are QQing about that shit especially in ZvZ because now they have to deal with it like us Toss and Terran do, as I said before, frantically running from base to base cursing at them! They think mutas are so OP now that they can't use FG on them, well how the hell did they think we felt this entire time? It's seems very odd to me that they act like they don't even have a unit called the Corruptor, and then whine about making hydras which completely rape warpgate units and say that a 2 base toss can mass phoenix, gateway units, AND colossus!!! LOL I wonder doesnt your head hurts when you write such stuff ? I mean I get a headache when I read such stuff but what agony must your head have felt when it had came up with it. *facepalm* | ||
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HuHEN
United Kingdom514 Posts
On December 04 2010 21:23 fleeze wrote: this is just wrong. there is no viable zerg air counter now against z and p. zvz will be mass muta because once the mutas reach critical mass they will beat hydras without fungal growth. also you will have map control. the only counter to mutas being corrupters now. zvp will become mass phoenix. the protoss has no reason not to phoenix and force hydras or corrupters and then build either colossi (vs hydra) or just pure ground (vs corruptor). zvt it's not that game breaking. though you will need mutas now when facing dropship play. and the mass marine raven play some people in here have brought up. GUess youre just going to have to deal with phoenix the way we had to deal with mutas, with units, not 1 spell. Its not like phoenix are that strong, the only reason toss players were getting them was to have some viable way to deal with mutas, now that huge committment wont be completely thrown in your face by one spell. | ||
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ALPINA
3791 Posts
On December 04 2010 21:26 levelnoobz wrote: Has anybody heard of a game called Brood War when you couldn't even select two buildings at the same time? Seriously, even 50 larvae worth of army aint gonna be that big of a deal. Glad they made this change. If you played BW you should know that you can select all larva and press just one time and all units start building. | ||
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clusen
Germany8702 Posts
On December 04 2010 21:26 ghostnuke1234 wrote: Yup, definitely! Now Z players realize how strong Mutas are in their own matchup. Imagine how T and P felt about Mutas all this long? Give Zerg a groundunit with huge splash vs air, Blink for Hydras, cheap Turrets, a fast and cost-effective unit that can shoot up or an airfighter that can kite Mutas to death and we would not complain. Zerg doesn't have any of those. | ||
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Stratchka
Austria165 Posts
I can see the reason for the decreased phoenix build time, up until now protoss had to anticipate zerg going mass mutalisks in order to get to reasonable phoenix numbers, it also generally improves the stargate tech, which I definitely approve of :-)! I can't see anything good coming from the fungal growth nerf. Zerg will need to go mutalisks in ZvT to stop drops and infestors will be weaker in ZvZ, making the matchup less interesting. It will be quite interesting what it does to the ZvP matchup (with phoenixes being pretty much uncounterable in the hands of a good player). The decreased bunker build time is very strange...it allows unprepared terrans to defend more easily and makes bunker rushing/pushing much stronger...why would anybody want that? Cheeper observers is a great buff to protoss overall! Anyways, I would really like to play it, lots of interesting smaller changes, unfortunately it's not for Europe :-( | ||
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ghostnuke1234
164 Posts
On December 04 2010 21:28 SedativeDev wrote: OMG Everytime some changes are made to zergs race all the zerg players are whining like hardcore. This is unbelievable. I think that this patch is pretty good over all. Yup, I agree. I think Z players need to play it out and see what happens. After winning GSL 1, GSL 2, and GOM All-Stars - the three biggest SC2 tournaments to date, what more do they want? | ||
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fleeze
Germany895 Posts
On December 04 2010 21:30 HuHEN wrote: GUess youre just going to have to deal with phoenix the way we had to deal with mutas, with units, not 1 spell. Its not like phoenix are that strong, the only reason toss players were getting them was to have some viable way to deal with mutas, now that huge committment wont be completely thrown in your face by one spell. the reason P goes phoenix is to force hydras and crush them with colossi... zerg not making mutas was just a nice side effect | ||
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DImported
Australia149 Posts
On December 04 2010 21:28 SedativeDev wrote: OMG Everytime some changes are made to zergs race all the zerg players are whining like hardcore. This is unbelievable. I think that this patch is pretty good over all. These aren't just slight changes. These are very big. Changing the way zerg produce units is going to take away precious time, especially for a race that relies on creating a huge amount of units instantly. The infestor change is overkill. No fungal medivacs, phoenix and mutas is a huge disadvantage for zerg. | ||
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Sewi
Germany1697 Posts
On December 04 2010 21:29 DiZasteR wrote: How will it be possible hitting thesame button 30-50 times DURING a battle while you are trying to microand actually win it. I dont see why this is a problem´. I play SC2 for 4 month now and I never used "holding down a button". I just dont think it is that usefull. I want to know exactly how many units of which type I make. Not just hold down a button until I get a msg like "more supply needed" or "not enough minerals" or "no more larva" etc. I really cannot imagine any good player using this at all | ||
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ALPINA
3791 Posts
On December 04 2010 21:30 HuHEN wrote: GUess youre just going to have to deal with phoenix the way we had to deal with mutas, with units, not 1 spell. Its not like phoenix are that strong, the only reason toss players were getting them was to have some viable way to deal with mutas, now that huge committment wont be completely thrown in your face by one spell. That's not true. Vs. mutas you can go phoenixes and you rape them. What should zerg do now when you mass phoenix? Corruptors? Even if I can make enough of them, they are useless after I killed phoenixes, while phoenixes are far from useless when there are no mutas on the field. | ||
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