EPT-- Infestor
Fungal Growth no longer affects air units.
WTF -_-
Patch 1.2.0 on PTR - Page 72
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M!SHA
44 Posts
-- Infestor Fungal Growth no longer affects air units. WTF -_- | ||
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Existor
Russian Federation4295 Posts
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Arckan
243 Posts
On December 04 2010 18:11 des0lar wrote: Can I play on the PTR from Europe? From what I've read, no. It appears to be NA-only. See the quote below: Q: Who can participate on the Test Region? A: For the current phase of PTR, we've selected players with these criteria: * The player has had an active StarCraft II North America game account before 11/11/10. * The player's account is not a guest pass account, and is not suspended or banned. | ||
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andrewwiggin
Australia435 Posts
Do you have any idea how quickly 6 pheonix's can wipe out a saturated base and take a couple hits and retreat? I've tested it, and I've dealt with it in ladder. Pheonix's can take a hit from spores while they take out 5-6 drones in a few seconds. What the problem is, is that the time it takes to get a good amount of phoenix's is so short that your economy will never be able to kick in. not only that but protoss is also investing in heavy zealots. It's insanely difficult to defend both and this is coming from experience. You can't even veto maps, so you're pretty screwed if you get delta quadrant or scrap station Where exactly are you placing your spores? =/ And quick reaction time should save you from losing 5-6 drones. 3 maybe - but for a phoenix or two, isnt that worth it? (And where are your queens in all of this?) PS ITS A TEST PATCH. people, seriously. test it out. for more than a few seconds. And let Blizzard do its thing. oh. and stop the goddamn whining. Seriously. | ||
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Tyree
1508 Posts
Buffs are great, a Toss might now have 2-3 Obs out around the map and Phoenix's just might change everything now | ||
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DNB
Finland995 Posts
"SC2 Public Test server is not available right now. Please check http://www.battle.net/sc2/game/ptr/ for more information." Is it not in Europe? | ||
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DreamOen
Spain1400 Posts
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Arckan
243 Posts
On December 04 2010 18:14 andrewwiggin wrote: How fast do you think a spore kills a phoenix? The poster you quoted was perfectly accurate in his assessment. You aren't arguing an opinion at this point, please go and test it yourself if you insist on this being the case. 6+ Phoenix can kill several drones and a queen before a single one falls if you have a three-point spore setup.Where exactly are you placing your spores? =/ And quick reaction time should save you from losing 5-6 drones. 3 maybe - but for a phoenix or two, isnt that worth it? (And where are your queens in all of this?) PS ITS A TEST PATCH. people, seriously. test it out. for more than a few seconds. And let Blizzard do its thing. oh. and stop the goddamn whining. Seriously. | ||
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
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Avril_Lavigne
United States446 Posts
On December 04 2010 18:14 andrewwiggin wrote: Where exactly are you placing your spores? =/ And quick reaction time should save you from losing 5-6 drones. 3 maybe - but for a phoenix or two, isnt that worth it? (And where are your queens in all of this?) PS ITS A TEST PATCH. people, seriously. test it out. for more than a few seconds. And let Blizzard do its thing. oh. and stop the goddamn whining. Seriously. I placed them in the center of my mineral lines and by reaction time how would you react to pheonix's? run my drones? By the time I have about 3 queens, and this is also delaying lair and what not, if I do get lair then I wont have an economy to support hydras. Protoss doesn't lose pheonix's but they can get about 5 so easily and pick off a queen quickly and retreat. Once you lose a queen, they reinforce with 1-2 more phoenix making it even harder to stop. I know it's a test patch and this is my opinion about the phoenix change coming from experience. If you haven't even tried it yet then I don't see where your credibility comes from. I'm not whining, I'm saying it's difficult to stop. Test it first then reply. | ||
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Ghazwan
Netherlands444 Posts
 One race gets nerfed. That race's players mass whine on forums, while the other two races' players tell them to give it some time (possibly with a happy grin on their face). Only thing I am really concerned about is the state of ZvZ if the fungal change makes it live on the real servers. It will be either a long muta+ling+bling war or a one-base roach timing attack. | ||
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Lennon
United Kingdom2275 Posts
Buffing bunkers when no one considered them to be underpowered and we're already seeing too many all-ins. The larva macro "fix" when no one considered it to be a bug or making Zerg macro too easy. Buffing Phoenixes and Void Rays which are already popular usable units while doing nothing to increase the popularity of the never used Carriers. | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
Many of the changes are not really that great and it feels like they are just panic-adjusting everything at the same time. Obvioulsy this will screw up the balancing totally and result in some awesome screw-ups and boring pushover games until people learn to adapt. Oh and having a PTR for NA only with such huge changes is giving the NA players a head start to adapt obviously ... | ||
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Dingobloo
Australia1903 Posts
On December 04 2010 18:14 Tyree wrote: I still dont see how this fixes the early game PvT, where Protoss has to play perfect to just stay alive? Buffs are great, a Toss might now have 2-3 Obs out around the map and Phoenix's just might change everything now Hallucination coming into effect faster is another one of those changes that would let you delay your robotics tech if it doesn't scout a starport with a techlab so, that's something worth testing. That said was anyone really worried about the research time instead of the mineral/gas cost and the huge sentry energy cost? On December 04 2010 18:18 Fantistic wrote: Get it together, Blizzard. Buffing bunkers when no one considered them to be underpowered and we're already seeing too many all-ins. The larva macro "fix" when no one considered it to be a bug or making Zerg macro too easy. Buffing Phoenixes and Void Rays which are already popular usable units while doing nothing to increase the popularity of the never used Carriers. Bunker is listed as a temporary change and is likely already reverted. Larva macro fix is because it's reliant on your keyboard repeat speed and so players who knew that had an advantage over those who didn't. They only buffed void rays vs massive but they nerfed the upgrade that kept them relevant late game, hopefully opening the way for carriers. | ||
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nehl
Germany270 Posts
fungal is maby the biggest change. especially in zvz, where mutas become a viable strat again. but will be hard vs toss phoenix builds. we will see chat channels though  me like^^ | ||
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andrewwiggin
Australia435 Posts
How fast do you think a spore kills a phoenix? The poster you quoted was perfectly accurate in his assessment. You aren't arguing an opinion at this point, please go and test it yourself if you insist on this being the case. 6+ Phoenix can kill several drones and a queen before a single one falls if you have a three-point spore setup. Then build more than 3 spores if you suspect heavy phoenix play, and have more than 1 queen at your main (like most zerg)? Seriously. Nubs be nubbing. | ||
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FenneK
France1231 Posts
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
On December 04 2010 17:28 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Dunno why nobody uses stargate units outside Korea, but phoenix are ridic broken on scrap station already. Just now I watched HuK against some Korean terran. HuK built like 8-9 phoenixes and gateway units. Terran destroyed rocks, meantime he lost two vikings and two medivacs for free. Brought his all scvs and stimrolled HuK like with no chance. already had 3-4 turrets in his base. How the fuck phoenixes are ridic? I think Terran allin is ridic. And this is not only case, remember bitbybit at r16? very bad player with OP strategy? | ||
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Avril_Lavigne
United States446 Posts
On December 04 2010 18:16 Arckan wrote: How fast do you think a spore kills a phoenix? The poster you quoted was perfectly accurate in his assessment. You aren't arguing an opinion at this point, please go and test it yourself if you insist on this being the case. 6+ Phoenix can kill several drones and a queen before a single one falls if you have a three-point spore setup. If i Honestly invested in 3 spores for each base, that's 6 spores, ruining my economy. Dude I've tested this in customs, and ladder. I think you should test it before you argue against me first. And zerg losing 4-5 drones while protoss loses 1 pheonix, who do you think gets the better trade? seriously. -.- | ||
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