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theherder2
United States538 Posts
On December 04 2010 17:18 Almania wrote: Only if you aim to keep your nexus energy high. However if you use it like you should, 17.5s works out to be quite a bit less than 33s. well if I'm using it as i'm should, (meaning i need some saved up) i can bust out 2 phoenixes in 35 seconds. in 33 seconds you can hatch 8 mutas at once. | ||
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kedinik
United States352 Posts
On December 04 2010 17:17 TypeFake wrote: How does it make the game shittier if all you need to do is tap a button on your keyboard a few times? Pushing a button 5 times a second is nothing for a gamer. Like I said, not a big deal but it's an intentional downgrade of the user interface and that's stupid. | ||
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Almania
145 Posts
On December 04 2010 17:21 Wahoa wrote: What about the Zerg players who get repetitive strain injury symptoms? I'm sure there are people out there who may even be forced to switch races just to avoid the damage to their bodies. 5 times a second? 40 banelings = 40 presses. That's a few seconds of button mashing which achieves nothing other than making the player look like they're having a siezure. | ||
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
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debasers
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
damn that makes me sad. Probe harass is gonna be that much gimped by that and all the freaking newbies (sorry, but I gotta say it) who keep selecting all their workers to attack my harassing probe is now gonna win each and every time, cause I won't be able to slide the worker through. Pff! Retarded change. - Otherwise, a lot of great changes, especially to the UI and functions of Battle Net! - Why they made fungal growth not effect air though is a mystery that's gonna remove a lot of pimp anti-medivac plays and make drops that much harder to deal with. | ||
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Lennon
United Kingdom2275 Posts
Medivac drops are going to be even stronger. | ||
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Brutus
Netherlands284 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On December 04 2010 15:55 travis wrote: i agree about the rest but if phoenix is so powerful then why do i never see it used in pvt (and not even very much in pvz... more lately though.) just serious question Dunno why nobody uses stargate units outside Korea, but phoenix are ridic broken on scrap station already. | ||
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spacemonkeyy
Australia477 Posts
On December 04 2010 17:27 MockHamill wrote: Most of these changes are Great but why is not Protoss late game addressed? I am really surprised that the High Templar Amulet is not nerfed, it would make TvP late game more even. Why so terran can use Bioball from start to finish, buff their mech, nerf thier bio. Keep storm as it is. | ||
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Nemireck
Canada1875 Posts
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On December 04 2010 15:40 Liquid`Jinro wrote: There are a lot of good things in this patch, but there are three huge problems to me.... Fungal Growth This is to my mind the absolutely biggest change - fungal doesnt see a ton of use as a staple part of current ZvT, but I have always thought the potential was there, and now its just not. This is basically saying "make mutalisks or die to drops", which just isnt right. In addition, this is going to make broodlords SOOOO much worse - you will never catch defending vikings now unless you have, you guessed it, mass mutas. Also, ZvZ is back to mutas. Lol. Bunker build time Seriously =[? Its nice on the defense, but on the attack, do you really want more allin? Phoenix ..... The phoenix is ridiculously powerful already, are you fucking kidding me mang. Zerg and Terran users all over the world be crying. Coming from Jinro, this must mean something. I think Blizzard got this patch lay out way before recent GSL matches. Good thing is this is a PTR, which give time for Blizzard to change the patch before its actually live worldwide | ||
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
On December 04 2010 17:28 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Dunno why nobody uses stargate units outside Korea, but phoenix are ridic broken on scrap station already. Phoenix are the new mutas? | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
 Also, why the infestor anti-air nerf? I've never heard any complaints about it. How to deal with phoenix/muta/medivac harass now? Autocast repair will now charge the player requesting autocast functionality. I don't understand what this means. Does having an SCV on auto-repair constantly cost minerals, even if it isn't repairing? | ||
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Tippany
United States765 Posts
On December 04 2010 17:18 Almania wrote: Only if you aim to keep your nexus energy high. However if you use it like you should, 17.5s works out to be quite a bit less than 33s. I don't think the math works that way. 50% boost does not equate to 1/2 the time, but 1/3. | ||
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Mojeca
United States46 Posts
Dunno why nobody uses stargate units outside Korea, but phoenix are ridic broken on scrap station already. Right, cus protoss have such an easy time on scrap station. They didnt get any better either, protoss simply have the option of a higher phx composition. They still cost the same, and do the same. | ||
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Pinski
United States126 Posts
On December 04 2010 17:23 theherder2 wrote: well if I'm using it as i'm should, (meaning i need some saved up) i can bust out 2 phoenixes in 35 seconds. in 33 seconds you can hatch 8 mutas at once. Actually you only get 2 Phoenix from 1 Stargate with full Chronoboost out in 46.66 seconds. Chronoboost improves efficiency by 50%, it doesn't make things work 100% faster. So it only cuts times down by a third, not a half. | ||
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lol12tree
Canada88 Posts
On December 04 2010 15:40 Liquid`Jinro wrote: There are a lot of good things in this patch, but there are three huge problems to me.... Fungal Growth This is to my mind the absolutely biggest change - fungal doesnt see a ton of use as a staple part of current ZvT, but I have always thought the potential was there, and now its just not. This is basically saying "make mutalisks or die to drops", which just isnt right. In addition, this is going to make broodlords SOOOO much worse - you will never catch defending vikings now unless you have, you guessed it, mass mutas. Also, ZvZ is back to mutas. Lol. Bunker build time Seriously =[? Its nice on the defense, but on the attack, do you really want more allin? Phoenix ..... The phoenix is ridiculously powerful already, are you fucking kidding me mang. Zerg and Terran users all over the world be crying. pheonix is ridic over powered? i guess that explains why inControl Kiwikaki Chief HuK InCa Sangho sSKS didn't make it into the GSL because they didn't use phoenixs right? Obviously you understand how protosses work better than those players. Oh and when was the last time we had a pro tournament level match where we saw phoenix absolutely rape the crap out of the enemy? hm... back in the HDH when Nony first popularized it? Yeah.. phoenix OP my ass. Imo phoenixs were fine the way they were (as a 2k toss), this new buff is interesting but it may be important in the highest levels of play. | ||
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andrewwiggin
Australia435 Posts
Dunno why nobody uses stargate units outside Korea, but phoenix are ridic broken on scrap station already. Lol. Missile turrets? =/ | ||
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Tippany
United States765 Posts
On December 04 2010 17:28 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Dunno why nobody uses stargate units outside Korea, but phoenix are ridic broken on scrap station already. Jinro, the man in the RO8!!!!! Congrats! On topic though, against Zerg it's not difficult for them to simply knock down your front door with roaches if you're too invested in Phoenixes. And if you want to actually harass with them, you need to invest in 4. I don't have experience with it vs Terran though. | ||
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