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On December 04 2010 15:37 cHaNg-sTa wrote:
Now looking more closely at it, I don't understand what they're doing to the Infestor. Not only do Zergs already have limited casters, they're making it even more worthless. I hate comparing across the three races, but let's just take a quick look at the main casters
Ghost
150 minerals
150 gas
Cloak
Snipe
EMP
Nuke
Templar
50 minerals
150 gas
Feedback
Storm
2 morph into Archon
Infestor
100 minerals
150 gas
Infested Terran
Fungal Growth
Neural Parasite
GIANT TARGET OMG WTF FIVE TIMES LARGER THAN EITHER OF THE ABOVE. MIGHT AS WEAR A PLEASE KILL ME SIGN.
Infestors are the only caster that don't have a direct attacking function (besides crappy infested terran). No one uses Neural Parasite, and Fungal Growth got a nerf. People only use Infested Terran as an energy dump before dying, or at the very best, combined with FG to take down dropships and the like. Yes, sometimes you can throw IT's into a mineral line, but that almost never happens.
EDIT: changed cost
burrow move + infest terrans are pretty much awesome.
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anyone placed into diamond? Im wondering with the introduction of the master league whether you can place there now, also i want to know if the icons have changed to indicated top diamond/low diamond like they said at blizzcon
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On December 04 2010 15:46 motus wrote:
So now that flux vanes is gone, the only upgrade available in fleet beacon is interceptor speed? Maybe we can get +max interceptor upgrade with a nerf to interceptor damage? Or maybe a phoenix energy upgrade?
So... you want two upgrades to make the carrier viable which is already a very underused unit? O_o
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Infestors are the only caster that don't have a direct attacking function (besides crappy infested terran).
Morphing into an Archon is not a direct attack. It's about as indirect as it gets: the unit stops being a High Templar. Permanently.
No one uses Neural Parasite, and Fungal Growth got a nerf.
Who cares if it "got a nerf?" What matters is the answer to this question: Is Fungal Growth effective?
It is no longer effective against air units, but it retains its utility vs. ground. And ground units, like Marines and Marauders, are still susceptible to FG.
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On December 04 2010 15:42 theqat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 15:41 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 04 2010 15:33 Daray wrote:
Why do they use wc3 maps? They're terrible for sc2 what?Which Wc3 map are you talking about? Plunder Isle
screen shot?
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grr why cant i log in? keeps saying i dont have the registered game? and i logged onto battle net site and no option there either.
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You also have to devote a lot to templar tech, while infesters are on the way to unlocking hive.
When have you ever seen archons actually do some damage? I'm not sure i know what the attack animation looks like.
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On December 04 2010 15:17 Tump wrote:Undocumented? New 1v1 map: Plunder Isle + Show Spoiler +
Is that map really just 2 mains, 2 naturals, and 2 expos? Based on the architecture, it looks like zerg will never be able to have any more than 3 bases, which means late game (if it ever gets there on that map) will be 3 base zerg vs 3 base p/t, and obviously that's not a good situation for z...
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On December 04 2010 15:49 Suffo wrote:
grr why cant i log in? keeps saying i dont have the registered game? and i logged onto battle net site and no option there either.
if you changed the email of your account then people havent' been able to use the service.
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Not sure how I feel about the no longer being able to bunker/pylon block the bottom of your opponents ramp. I felt these strats, however a bit cheesy were viable and useful.
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On December 04 2010 15:47 theherder2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 15:37 cHaNg-sTa wrote:
Now looking more closely at it, I don't understand what they're doing to the Infestor. Not only do Zergs already have limited casters, they're making it even more worthless. I hate comparing across the three races, but let's just take a quick look at the main casters
Ghost
150 minerals
150 gas
Cloak
Snipe
EMP
Nuke
Templar
50 minerals
150 gas
Feedback
Storm
2 morph into Archon
Infestor
100 minerals
150 gas
Infested Terran
Fungal Growth
Neural Parasite
GIANT TARGET OMG WTF FIVE TIMES LARGER THAN EITHER OF THE ABOVE. MIGHT AS WEAR A PLEASE KILL ME SIGN.
Infestors are the only caster that don't have a direct attacking function (besides crappy infested terran). No one uses Neural Parasite, and Fungal Growth got a nerf. People only use Infested Terran as an energy dump before dying, or at the very best, combined with FG to take down dropships and the like. Yes, sometimes you can throw IT's into a mineral line, but that almost never happens.
EDIT: changed cost burrow move + infest terrans are pretty much awesome.
templars don't have a direct attacking function...
neither do ravens..
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i feel like if they're going to buff phoenix time and nerf fungals, they need to do more to prevent phoenix harrass.. like increase the energy required to graviton beam from 50 < 100 or more. Once a lot of phoenixes are made, 50 energy is like nothing to pick up tons of drones or army.
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On December 04 2010 15:51 pirates wrote:
Not sure how I feel about the no longer being able to bunker/pylon block the bottom of your opponents ramp. I felt these strats, however a bit cheesy were viable and useful.
All in Blizzard's continuos effort to kill cheese. They've been doing it since the beta (Anyone remember the forge health decrease and build time increase?) and continue to this day with the change to blocking ramps and the depot before barracks change.
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On December 04 2010 15:51 pirates wrote:
Not sure how I feel about the no longer being able to bunker/pylon block the bottom of your opponents ramp. I felt these strats, however a bit cheesy were viable and useful.
still can, just need 3 2x2 buildings instead of 2
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making 30 baenlings
before pressing e- takes approxi 1.5 sec
after press e 30 times eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee takes approx 6~7 sec
what if this difference builds up???
macro z gonna be so much hard to do
there have been lots of stupid patch
but this is by far the stupiest fucking crap ever
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There is no ramp or small choke point to the main on plunder isle. There is a backdoor destructable rocks to the main and the entrance to the main is 15 building blocks on the grid. So it takes three barracks and a bunker to wall off.
I sincerely doubt this map will used in the ladder ever.
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Infestor Change is asinine. Absolutely asinine. Was it really so broken when FG hit air? I think not.
Now FG is weaker and NP is still a joke. I guess they think IT isn't simply a gimmick and is the be-all and end-all spell for Infestors?
Yeah, a bit of hyperbole from me there but come on... wtf are they thinking? It's like they're turning the game into moron-mode.
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On December 04 2010 15:40 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
There are a lot of good things in this patch, but there are three huge problems to me....
Fungal Growth
This is to my mind the absolutely biggest change - fungal doesnt see a ton of use as a staple part of current ZvT, but I have always thought the potential was there, and now its just not. This is basically saying "make mutalisks or die to drops", which just isnt right.
In addition, this is going to make broodlords SOOOO much worse - you will never catch defending vikings now unless you have, you guessed it, mass mutas.
Also, ZvZ is back to mutas. Lol.
Bunker build time
Seriously =[? Its nice on the defense, but on the attack, do you really want more allin?
Phoenix
..... The phoenix is ridiculously powerful already, are you fucking kidding me mang. Zerg and Terran users all over the world be crying.
i agree about the rest but if phoenix is so powerful then why do i never see it used in pvt (and not even very much in pvz... more lately though.)
just serious question
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