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On November 18 2010 13:34 Reason.SC2 wrote:
I think I remember why I told myself to stop posting on this forum. sigh
Because his post made no sense to you?
He meant hes holding shift
Pressing v
Holding shift
Clicking on hatch
Hitting backspace
Clicking on next hatch
Holding shift
So he doesn't have to keep hitting the inject larvae key. He can hit it once and just hold shift down and click hatches...
He didn't say he was making a macro, he said those were the keys you would normally use if you are going to inject larvae via the "backspace" method, which they are... If you know what the shift button does in-game...
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I have CTRL and SHIFT mapped to the thumb buttons on my mouse and I find that really does make a difference in my ability to manage and use my control groups (as in I dont have to drop hand hand to the lower corner of the keyboard). But is is also a practice thing, if you dont do it and you try it, it feels shit, if your familiar with it you are lost without it.
As to setting it up (which a few people have asked) for Logitech the setup is in the profile management application that is integral to the mouse's driver, its running in the system tray all the time by default if you use a Logitech mouse/keyboard
[edit - re post below: hours and hours? what the fuck are you babbling on about? the mouse is the one i've had for a couple of years, it cost about £20 (thats around $30 at the moment I think) and it took a couple of minutes to set the keys, and while its a personel preference thing, if you think it doesnt make a difference, your flat out wrong]
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I think it's funny that you would rather spend hours and hours wasting your time on a negligible hardware advantage than practice improving your skills in general.
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On November 18 2010 13:22 Reason.SC2 wrote:Show nested quote +I don't feel that this is fair because it is based on hardware. I also have a feeling that this isn't, but I can't completely confirm it. Being able to play the game at all is based on hardware. Most people don't have computers. Therefore, playing any computer game is unfair because it is based on hardware. (??????)
what kind of reasoning is that..? i think he meant that not everyone who can play starcraft has the disposable income to spend on spiffy/high end gaming peripherals, i.e. mice/keyboards with macros. So, this would automatically open the door to having the ability to gain maybe a slight advantage, just because a player has more money to spend on something like a mouse with macro keys.
for those who just want macros because it makes their gaming lives easier, it reminds me of how some players cry imbalance, but only do so because they don't want to work for a win.
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What about the people who can afford a better keyboard that is more etgonomic or practical in use or a higher quality mouse that is more precise and accurate? That argument can go on for eternity....
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On November 18 2010 13:13 XXGeneration wrote:
I don't feel that this is fair because it is based on hardware. I also have a feeling that this isn't, but I can't completely confirm it.
My mouse got onboard memory, and all macros and settings works without software install  so you can't count on that.
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Not shure about starcraft, but in most RTS games, it is not allowed.
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Blizzard has stated they will be allowing custom keys in the near future. As of now anything that isn't one of their set keys isn't legal. You are remapping their settings which they have made.
But seriously, how many ppl are going to be playing in some serious tournament for real $$$? Who cares as long as you're not banned.
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On November 18 2010 13:15 pedduck wrote:
I think at these tournament you can use ur own mouse but you can't install anything a pc. So this should mean you can not set macro with your mouse.
Unless your mouse has flash memory to store profiles/macros  . As far as I know, Blizzard has a means of detecting actions to the number of physical key presses from the hardware so macros in short aren't allowed if it spams a number of commands in succession.
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This has been talked about to death
1 to 1 is A-OKAY
Macros are not. Macro meaning anything that requires more than one button push.
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I use shift and ctrl as the side buttons for my mouse. I find it reduces carpal/ repetitive stress injuries.
Single key rebinds are acceptable in any e-sport.
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lol i played some pro quake1 in 1999, my configs were so changed and were customized to my own will.. If i can't even bind keys to what I want in 2010, get your brain a check-up... I played quake with forward on my mouse while most people would have forward bound to W, this did not change anything to anyone.. fewls saying you can't bind a key to another key are fewls that don't know the game scene
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If you ask me, it's kinda shitty that you can't change the configuration of the key setup.. i mean, really, all games made nowadays give you the full right to change the keyboard setup to what ever you like.. For me, I just start to get pains in my little finger, for stretching it at the shift button area.. so I am deffinetly looking forward to the changes
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Pros don't remap hotkeys because it does not provide any real advantage. In fact its harder to hit buttons with multiple hands in the correct sequence when you're typing fast. For example, try binding the letter "E" to your mouse button, then typing out a sentence. Did it help you type faster? Didnt think so.
Hahahahaha, this must be a troll ye?
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At MLG Dallas you were allowed to install whatever drivers you needed on the computer, like razer mouse drivers. Mapping one of your mouse buttons to be shift is perfectly fine via their software, so long as multiple commands are not strung into one button (for example, you can't bind mouse 3 to shift + v, only shift or v). I believe the only type of macro changes to your setup that are illegal are multiple commands on one key or button.
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The reason pros mostly don't use things like the side buttons on the mouse is probably the same reason they use the standard hotkeys when grid is so much better. They played Broodwar for years where standard was the only hotkey setup and they had only basic mice.
Why change what has been working for you for years?
For myself who didn't play Broodwar much I switched to grid as soon as I found out about it and I use the side buttons on my Razor DeathAdder for 9 and 0.
Whatever setup you use should fit you. Doesn't matter what other people do.
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I also think you've confused remapping a hotkey with setting up a macro. Why on earth would you be pressing shift-backspace to larva inject int he first place. Have you heard of hotkeys? I think I remember why I told myself to stop posting on this forum. sigh
In the Day9 daily with Dario Day9 described the hit hotkey with all queens assigned and hitting shift backspace to quickly larvae inject at every hatch. So it's probably not as stupid as you seem to think.
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Seems the consensus is that its ok.
This makes me relieved, as I have CTRL and backspace set to two buttons on my mouse, so I can zip back to my base quick and set ctrl groups super easily.
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I use mouse4 button to talk on skype while I play 2v2, haxxx.
If you ask me, I think it should be time to "advance" in the gaming industry and learn to take advantage of the right hand more. There used to be times when I played Quake 2 and used numpad to smash team_say buttons to comunicate with the team while my left hand keeps doing "footwork", but now it all has become very different.
Of course programming the keys to do something that computer does for your to gain serious unfair advantage, should be considered as cheating because it should still be human against human all the way.
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