EPTHotkeys binded to the mouse, allowed or not? - Page 2
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Knutzi
Norway664 Posts
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Azzur
Australia6259 Posts
What is not fair as some has pointed out is setting up macros on the mouse (i.e. simulating multiple key-presses with 1 button). Why doesn't the pros do it? If you look at their equipment, it's pretty basic because they probably found the optimal ones to use. I'm sure they feel that binding buttons to their mouse is beneficial, they would be doing it. I myself have a 5-button mouse. I use them all for WoW but don't feel that it's beneficial for me in SC2. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19226 Posts
Starcraft and starcraft 2 are so much easier with just the usag eof a keyboard. Its like the one guy said about typing a word but having "e" binded to the mouse. Its pointless. Tell ur friend he can take it to the tournament cause he will most def lose. shift+backspace = wtf. Just hotkey the hatchery and the queen. It takes less then two seconds to set those hotkeys and then ur golden for the rest of the game. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
PS if it is legal, first thing I would do is switch it to F8 | ||
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Chronoboosted
United States59 Posts
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
On November 18 2010 13:34 Reason.SC2 wrote: Pros don't remap hotkeys because it does not provide any real advantage. In fact its harder to hit buttons with multiple hands in the correct sequence when you're typing fast. For example, try binding the letter "E" to your mouse button, then typing out a sentence. Did it help you type faster? Didnt think so. That's absolutely nonsensical. Unless you're my grandmother, you do use both hands to hit buttons when typing. The reason it would be slower if you bound "E" to your mouse is because you have years of muscle memory to overcome. A more apt scenario would be "do you type faster with just your left hand, or with both hands if the right side of your keyboard is bound to mouse buttons. With enough training it's incontrovertibly faster to type with two hands. Binding backspace to the mouse thumb button would be a 100% improvement for larva injection. Hit bind for all queens, thumb button, V, left click, thumb button, V, left click. | ||
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
On November 18 2010 13:51 0mgVitaminE wrote: I hope you aren't serious. Anything above the normal key layout + 2 mouse buttons can be considered extra, something that not all people who own the game have access to. Right Clicking is an unfair advantage for PC users. | ||
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KilderZek
India19 Posts
And as a person who used the mouse for certain hotkeys, I can flat out tell you that if you want to be anywhere near as good as you really want then there is no way you should bind hotkeys to the mouse. If you are using the mouse for anything other than ordering your units, then that is another distraction that you don't want. Your keyboard hand should always do the hotkeying and your mouse hand should always do the moving. If they are not, then there is something wrong with your fundamentals. And believe me I used the side buttons on the mouse for a certain period before realizing how wrong I was and my macro actually improved because of that. Granted I do play Protoss but the same rule applies. | ||
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dvide
United Kingdom287 Posts
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Anestetikas
Lithuania7 Posts
Other thing i don't like that its so easy to write macro to inject all your hatcheries at once... Im happy its not so wide spread, because nowadays gamers tend to buy keyboards and mice from logitech or razer with advanced macro software that it can make micro like 1 click. For example the running marine micro, that macro is like 13 lines long, and you just need to click once to a specified direction and your marines will run while shooting, just like BoxeR micro... I'm just happy i never seen it used online. | ||
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qazadex
Australia473 Posts
On November 18 2010 15:31 dvide wrote: This will become irrelevant once SC2 supports custom hotkeys anyway. But I don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing for the game as a sport. It takes away from the skill of being dexterous in some ways, such as the above example of binding '0' and '9' to your mouse buttons. And backspace could also go on tilde or capslock or something, making the backspace trick really simple. But saying that, there is technically nothing stopping a hardware manufacturer from creating a custom keyboard either with everything you'd need within easy reach. Would that be legal in a tournament currently, even if rebinding isn't? I'm fairly sure SC2 should be a measure of skill, not how large your hands are. It's not a problem for me to hit the 9 and 0 keys, but for people that don't have abnormally large hands there is no reason why people should be punished for having smaller hands. | ||
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simme123
Sweden810 Posts
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ZomgTossRush
United States1041 Posts
On November 18 2010 15:26 KilderZek wrote: I don't think remapping hotkeys will be allowed at tournaments. For eg, To remap keys to the side buttons on the Deathadder or the MX518, you need the S/W or Setpoint which you will never be able to install in any major tournament where they use their computers. And as a person who used the mouse for certain hotkeys, I can flat out tell you that if you want to be anywhere near as good as you really want then there is no way you should bind hotkeys to the mouse. If you are using the mouse for anything other than ordering your units, then that is another distraction that you don't want. Your keyboard hand should always do the hotkeying and your mouse hand should always do the moving. If they are not, then there is something wrong with your fundamentals. And believe me I used the side buttons on the mouse for a certain period before realizing how wrong I was and my macro actually improved because of that. Granted I do play Protoss but the same rule applies. That is a pretty bold statement. Why would using your extra thumbs hinder your overall speed? I'll agree that it takes quite a bit of time to get used to, but in the end if you could use multiple fingers for more actions how is this poor fundamentals? | ||
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KilderZek
India19 Posts
On November 18 2010 18:06 ZomgTossRush wrote: That is a pretty bold statement. Why would using your extra thumbs hinder your overall speed? I'll agree that it takes quite a bit of time to get used to, but in the end if you could use multiple fingers for more actions how is this poor fundamentals? It has more to do with mapping the brain to do specific functions than anything else. At the highest levels of play (which is most definitely not where I am at), your brain is programmed to press the hotekys using the left hand and move the mouse and order your units as quickly as you want using the right. I use the Claw grip and as such my dexterity to move the mouse involves my pinky and thumb. If I am using both of those to press the side buttons on the mouse instead of moving the mouse, then I am definitely not doing something properly. Which leads me to the basic point of my post - Unless you use macros on mouse keys which is definitely illegal in any tournament, there is nothing to gain in assigning a single keystroke to a thumb button in the mouse. I used to use 0 and 9 as Nexus and Gateways when I started out and assign them to the thumb buttons of the MX 518. I forced myself to relearn that because I thought it was bad to do something like that for fundamental RTS gameplay. Now I use 0 and 9 as Observers and can easily check them by hitting 0 and 9. I thought they were far to reach but I forced myself to be able to hit 0 and 9 and then come back to keys 1 - 7 and macro or whatever. That is fundamental RTS gameplay and I don't think you should need a mouse to pull it off properly. | ||
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jelle
Denmark88 Posts
I would love to change shift as being my groupings key.. maybe change it to the "tilde" key ( The key to the left of "1") is that possible? | ||
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Existor
Russian Federation4295 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/3868/69800717.jpg) ^ with my thumb I can multi-inject larva very easy to multiple harcheries, and use scroll wheel for select group with queens or hatcheries Yes, you can remapp ONE hotkey to another ONE hotkey. More, than ONE is bannable, because it's macros and not allowed | ||
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jelle
Denmark88 Posts
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Cade
Canada1420 Posts
On November 18 2010 20:43 Existor wrote: ^ with my thumb I can multi-inject larva very easy to multiple harcheries, and use scroll wheel for select group with queens or hatcheries Yes, you can remapp ONE hotkey to another ONE hotkey. More, than ONE is bannable, because it's macros and not allowed Yup, this. I posted this a page back also. And to the person thinking about setting up their G11 for macro's, this can get you banned by blizzard and is not legal at any LAN's or anything else. In fact many people were banned not too long ago for doing exactly this. | ||
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Cade
Canada1420 Posts
On November 18 2010 20:51 jelle wrote: Okay, but how do i do this remapping? It doesn't seem to be anything you can do via the in game control menu? Do I need somekind of 3rd party software or am I just doing something wrong? It's done in your mouse software/drivers. | ||
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