• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 05:51
CEST 11:51
KST 18:51
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy4Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview27
Community News
Classic & herO RO8 Interviews: "I think it’s time to teach [Rogue] a lesson."1Rogue & GuMiho RO8 interviews: "Lifting that trophy would be a testament to all I’ve had to overcome over the years and how far I’ve come on this journey.3Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2)12BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack2Weekly Cups (June 2-8): herO doubles down1
StarCraft 2
General
Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2) Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho Classic & herO RO8 Interviews: "I think it’s time to teach [Rogue] a lesson." Rogue & GuMiho RO8 interviews: "Lifting that trophy would be a testament to all I’ve had to overcome over the years and how far I’ve come on this journey. I have an extra ticket to the GSL Ro4/finals
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Ro8 - Group A [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Ro8 - Group B
Strategy
[G] Darkgrid Layout Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Recent recommended BW games BW General Discussion FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 4
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread
Fan Clubs
Maru Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread NHL Playoffs 2024 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 27502 users

iCCup Maps? - Page 4

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 All
Quasimoto3000
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States471 Posts
December 01 2010 17:44 GMT
#61
On December 02 2010 02:40 BlasiuS wrote:
The problem with blizz focusing on small maps is that they force aggression, discourage static defense, and have disadvantages for zerg.

Zerg needs open area to flank & surround, some maps don't permit that.

Steppes and Delta Quad (non-cross position) forces you to pre-make defense, because you can't make crawlers as a reaction to seeing your opponent leave his nat. Bunkers and photon cannons can build fast enough, it's only zerg that has this problem, with spine crawlers having a 50s build time.

Maps with too many chokes also put zerg at a major disadvantage, against both protoss & terran. Protoss only need to use a small # of force fields to completely block off the zerg army, or split it in half. Meanwhile it's impossible to beat tanks in chokes if you can't attack from another direction or surround. Why do you think Incineration Zone and Kulas Ravine were removed from the map pool? Too many chokes. Jungle Basin is a perfect example of a map with too many chokes and no open area.


As a terran player, I get confused when I hear this about zerg, but only because Ive been seeing so much kyrix zenith type play on ladder which is of course, very aggressive and works quite well on small maps.

Cant speak for zvp though.
Every sunday a nun lays from my gunplay
Parsimony
Profile Joined July 2010
16 Posts
December 01 2010 19:15 GMT
#62
I use to play on the iCCUP maps, unfortunately Blizzard maps are more convenient recently for me since I don't have a lot of time to play SC2.
ZomgTossRush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1041 Posts
December 01 2010 19:24 GMT
#63
Iccup maps are hugely overrated.

People are tricked into thinking that just because they were semi balanced or established in the proleague that they somehow are magically balanced in this completely different game.

yes they are awesome and nostalgic, but i wouldn't even dare consider using most of them in competitive play.
Coaching for 1v1 and Team games at Gosucoaching.com
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 19:31:29
December 01 2010 19:30 GMT
#64
On December 02 2010 04:24 ZomgTossRush wrote:
Iccup maps are hugely overrated.

People are tricked into thinking that just because they were semi balanced or established in the proleague that they somehow are magically balanced in this completely different game.

yes they are awesome and nostalgic, but i wouldn't even dare consider using most of them in competitive play.


You should look again at our maps. 20 or so are original maps, only 6 are remakes, and we rarely use them anymore at that. If your going to hate, make sure you have all the details. Remakes just gave us a starting point to figure things out. We haven't even done a remake in like two months now....
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
IamAnton
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada335 Posts
December 01 2010 19:39 GMT
#65
for a game thats still being figured out i'de be more cautious at the maps put out if i'm Blizzard. I don't get why people are compliaining so much for a game thats not even been out 6 months. Give the game some time before we just start flooding the game with map after map. I personally would rather see balance as Blizzards main focus not making maps for the sake of change every month.

that being said i still prefer the old iccup maps that were remade for sc2 as opposed to the new ones. I especially like the maps with the additions of gold minerals and xelnaga towers.
"Man created God in his own image." - Ludwig Feuerbach
KillerPlague
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1386 Posts
December 01 2010 19:40 GMT
#66
i only practice ladder maps. when iccup maps make it to the ladder i will be practicing on them as well =]
Side 1: Why no dominant players with 90% win ratio Side 2: Nerf Side 1
Prev 1 2 3 4 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
SOOP
09:00
SOOPer7s #46
sOs vs PercivalLIVE!
sooper7s
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech81
trigger 18
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 4300
Horang2 1830
Bisu 702
BeSt 224
Leta 175
Zeus 171
Barracks 111
Shinee 43
ToSsGirL 42
NaDa 31
[ Show more ]
ajuk12(nOOB) 23
Noble 9
HiyA 3
Dota 2
XcaliburYe456
XaKoH 323
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0289
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor171
Other Games
singsing1251
Happy330
Fuzer 204
Trikslyr15
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream4789
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream4260
Other Games
gamesdonequick436
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 17
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 55
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2112
League of Legends
• Stunt758
Upcoming Events
CranKy Ducklings
10m
WardiTV Invitational
1h 10m
ByuN vs MaNa
MaxPax vs Solar
Reynor vs Creator
Gerald vs Spirit
Cheesadelphia
5h 10m
CSO Cup
7h 10m
BSL: ProLeague
8h 10m
Hawk vs UltrA
Sziky vs spx
TerrOr vs JDConan
GSL Code S
22h 10m
Rogue vs herO
Classic vs GuMiho
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d
WardiTV Qualifier
1d 6h
BSL: ProLeague
1d 8h
Bonyth vs Dewalt
Cross vs Doodle
MadiNho vs Dragon
Replay Cast
1d 14h
[ Show More ]
Wardi Open
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Cure vs Percival
ByuN vs Spirit
RSL Revival
4 days
herO vs sOs
Zoun vs Clem
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Serral vs SHIN
Solar vs Cham
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Reynor vs Scarlett
ShoWTimE vs Classic
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
BGE Stara Zagora 2025
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
2025 GSL S2
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
BLAST Open Fall 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.