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baph
Profile Joined April 2010
Poland30 Posts
October 21 2010 09:25 GMT
#21
I do agree theyre underused. I think blizzards intention was to make them usable in TvZ as an opposing spellcaster to Infestor, but for now theyre not used because they are so damn slow hence being killed by muta in no time and their spells kinda do not compensate for this. But lets hope we're all wrong and one day some korean player introduces whole new approach and Raven will be usable again.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-21 09:29:42
October 21 2010 09:29 GMT
#22
On October 21 2010 18:25 baph wrote:
I do agree theyre underused. I think blizzards intention was to make them usable in TvZ as an opposing spellcaster to Infestor, but for now theyre not used because they are so damn slow hence being killed by muta in no time and their spells kinda do not compensate for this. But lets hope we're all wrong and one day some korean player introduces whole new approach and Raven will be usable again.

If you want to use Ravens vs mutas you have to use the PDD. They are great vs mutas actually.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
doubled
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden111 Posts
October 21 2010 09:35 GMT
#23
Increasing their speed to the same as a medivac (from 2.25 to 2.5) would be a nice change, makes them slightly more mobile and easier to keep with your army.


On a related note, does a HSM hitting air units do splash damage to ground units as well? Or only air targets, and vice versa.
Kazang
Profile Joined August 2010
578 Posts
October 21 2010 09:40 GMT
#24
PDD stops all of zerg's anti-air, everything except infested terrans.
Think about that.
baph
Profile Joined April 2010
Poland30 Posts
October 21 2010 09:51 GMT
#25
On October 21 2010 18:29 Boblion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2010 18:25 baph wrote:
I do agree theyre underused. I think blizzards intention was to make them usable in TvZ as an opposing spellcaster to Infestor, but for now theyre not used because they are so damn slow hence being killed by muta in no time and their spells kinda do not compensate for this. But lets hope we're all wrong and one day some korean player introduces whole new approach and Raven will be usable again.

If you want to use Ravens vs mutas you have to use the PDD. They are great vs mutas actually.


I tried it few times, it's good when youre attacking since zerg can't just go away out of PDD area, yet I still think Ravens are not cost effective enough or maybe they havent been discovered enough.
GrazerRinge
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
999 Posts
October 21 2010 10:06 GMT
#26
I get raven when i can afford it besides macro.

Especially PDD helps vs muta, stalkers and marauder(!), it can be deadly when it is used in correct time and place.
"Successful people don't talk much. They listen and take action."
SovSov
Profile Joined September 2010
United States755 Posts
October 21 2010 10:37 GMT
#27
On October 21 2010 18:13 Snowfield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2010 17:09 SovSov wrote:
Metagame metagame metagame.

They're already getting popular in TvT if you've been watching more recent matches.


Metagame has nothing to do with it.

And yes, they are very good in TvT, mainly viking fights and marauder fights

Yes it does. The fact that Ravens are becoming more popular in TvT alone shows this. Unit potential and compositions have yet to be discovered or popularized.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
October 21 2010 10:40 GMT
#28
qxc vs idra game 2? That GSL game with the marine/raven/banshee? Raven's just haven't gotten much of a chance yet, they've got amazing abilities. Medivacs as healers are underrated, for in combat healing, usually the healing they do is much worse than having an extra marauder, unless units are targetting them. Although they're great when you are easily winning the fight, because you lose almost nothing, in fights with things like banelings they become really ineffective. They are good for out of combat healing and drops, but you don't need THAT many medivacs.
GQz
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia168 Posts
October 21 2010 11:07 GMT
#29
Usually a raven is used for mobile detection, though with scan, many terrans opt to just skip ravens. However, its detection and ability to cast PDD is just such a tide-turner in battles.
Snowfield
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1289 Posts
October 21 2010 11:11 GMT
#30
On October 21 2010 19:37 SovSov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2010 18:13 Snowfield wrote:
On October 21 2010 17:09 SovSov wrote:
Metagame metagame metagame.

They're already getting popular in TvT if you've been watching more recent matches.


Metagame has nothing to do with it.

And yes, they are very good in TvT, mainly viking fights and marauder fights

Yes it does. The fact that Ravens are becoming more popular in TvT alone shows this. Unit potential and compositions have yet to be discovered or popularized.


Metagame: you are using it wrong
Ghad
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway2551 Posts
October 21 2010 11:22 GMT
#31
It blows my mind how underused ravens are for clearing creep. Instead of sacrificing a 300 mineral MULE to scan for creep tumors, you can use a 100m 200 gas Raven to detect them all day long.

Also, are really 100/200 so incredibly expensive for a raven? An infestor is only 50 gas cheaper.
forgottendreams: One underage girl, two drunk guys, one gogo dancer and starcraft 2. Apparently just another day in Europe.
SovSov
Profile Joined September 2010
United States755 Posts
October 21 2010 11:26 GMT
#32
On October 21 2010 20:11 Snowfield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2010 19:37 SovSov wrote:
On October 21 2010 18:13 Snowfield wrote:
On October 21 2010 17:09 SovSov wrote:
Metagame metagame metagame.

They're already getting popular in TvT if you've been watching more recent matches.


Metagame has nothing to do with it.

And yes, they are very good in TvT, mainly viking fights and marauder fights

Yes it does. The fact that Ravens are becoming more popular in TvT alone shows this. Unit potential and compositions have yet to be discovered or popularized.


Metagame: you are using it wrong

How is that not a result of metagame? Marauder/viking fights became popular, Ravens are used as a result to help it.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
October 21 2010 11:28 GMT
#33
On October 21 2010 20:26 SovSov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2010 20:11 Snowfield wrote:
On October 21 2010 19:37 SovSov wrote:
On October 21 2010 18:13 Snowfield wrote:
On October 21 2010 17:09 SovSov wrote:
Metagame metagame metagame.

They're already getting popular in TvT if you've been watching more recent matches.


Metagame has nothing to do with it.

And yes, they are very good in TvT, mainly viking fights and marauder fights

Yes it does. The fact that Ravens are becoming more popular in TvT alone shows this. Unit potential and compositions have yet to be discovered or popularized.


Metagame: you are using it wrong

How is that not a result of metagame? Marauder/viking fights became popular, Ravens are used as a result to help it.

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=130447
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
SovSov
Profile Joined September 2010
United States755 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-21 11:32:45
October 21 2010 11:30 GMT
#34
On October 21 2010 20:28 Boblion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2010 20:26 SovSov wrote:
On October 21 2010 20:11 Snowfield wrote:
On October 21 2010 19:37 SovSov wrote:
On October 21 2010 18:13 Snowfield wrote:
On October 21 2010 17:09 SovSov wrote:
Metagame metagame metagame.

They're already getting popular in TvT if you've been watching more recent matches.


Metagame has nothing to do with it.

And yes, they are very good in TvT, mainly viking fights and marauder fights

Yes it does. The fact that Ravens are becoming more popular in TvT alone shows this. Unit potential and compositions have yet to be discovered or popularized.


Metagame: you are using it wrong

How is that not a result of metagame? Marauder/viking fights became popular, Ravens are used as a result to help it.

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=130447

Ok, I misused the term (it's meaning is different in games like DotA/HoN, even if "incorrect"). How does that make anything of what I said any less valid?
Madkipz
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Norway1643 Posts
October 21 2010 11:31 GMT
#35
Hunter seeker missile is very much worth its cost as can be seen in the idra vs QXC game on xel naga caverns from MLG DC. YES you can run away from it but not if you want to save your expansion lol xD.
"Mudkip"
tacrats
Profile Joined July 2010
476 Posts
October 21 2010 11:31 GMT
#36
On October 21 2010 18:35 doubled wrote:
Increasing their speed to the same as a medivac (from 2.25 to 2.5) would be a nice change, makes them slightly more mobile and easier to keep with your army.


On a related note, does a HSM hitting air units do splash damage to ground units as well? Or only air targets, and vice versa.


why does every terran player want all of their units to have the same speed so you can just clump them 24/7?

seriously. micro your army better plz like the other races

ps - ravens are awesome, people just havent learned how to use them
NikonTC
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom418 Posts
October 21 2010 11:51 GMT
#37
On October 21 2010 20:31 tacrats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2010 18:35 doubled wrote:
Increasing their speed to the same as a medivac (from 2.25 to 2.5) would be a nice change, makes them slightly more mobile and easier to keep with your army.


On a related note, does a HSM hitting air units do splash damage to ground units as well? Or only air targets, and vice versa.


why does every terran player want all of their units to have the same speed so you can just clump them 24/7?

seriously. micro your army better plz like the other races

ps - ravens are awesome, people just havent learned how to use them


because terran has the slowest and least mobile force out of the three races. flanking and getting advantagous positioning is already a major pain in the ass.
"IdrA crushes the marine push, absolutely demolishes this 2 rax play. Would not be suprised to see a GG from IdrA at any moment" Day[9]
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
October 21 2010 11:52 GMT
#38
On October 21 2010 20:30 SovSov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2010 20:28 Boblion wrote:
On October 21 2010 20:26 SovSov wrote:
On October 21 2010 20:11 Snowfield wrote:
On October 21 2010 19:37 SovSov wrote:
On October 21 2010 18:13 Snowfield wrote:
On October 21 2010 17:09 SovSov wrote:
Metagame metagame metagame.

They're already getting popular in TvT if you've been watching more recent matches.


Metagame has nothing to do with it.

And yes, they are very good in TvT, mainly viking fights and marauder fights

Yes it does. The fact that Ravens are becoming more popular in TvT alone shows this. Unit potential and compositions have yet to be discovered or popularized.


Metagame: you are using it wrong

How is that not a result of metagame? Marauder/viking fights became popular, Ravens are used as a result to help it.

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=130447

Ok, I misused the term (it's meaning is different in games like DotA/HoN, even if "incorrect"). How does that make anything of what I said any less valid?

I have said that ravens are bad ?
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Zalfor
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States1035 Posts
October 21 2010 12:03 GMT
#39
people didnt use science vessel for the longest time.

give the raven some time
555, kthxbai
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
October 21 2010 12:07 GMT
#40
I always make ravens in TvT. They spot banshees and PDD is great against marauders and game-deciding in viking wars.
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