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Zeroes
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1102 Posts
September 23 2010 17:28 GMT
#61
this makes me sad hopefully blizz makes some meaty changes soon
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Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
September 23 2010 17:29 GMT
#62
Why does it take this for people to realise the obvious?

I really hope Blizzard rush through some additional changes fast so that we can see July, Cool, Check etc...playing Zerg. For the good of the game.
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Unfortunately for Blizzard this game is already taken far too serious for there to be imbalances. They can't afford to make tiny patches in the face of large imbalance, they need to get their act together fast and finish the process they started in beta.
They did a good job of making TvT, PvP and ZvZ all really interesting. But after the roach nerf didn't follow up with the necessary Zerg changes.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
Carl_Sagan
Profile Joined March 2010
United States226 Posts
September 23 2010 17:29 GMT
#63
Nail in the coffin for me. Blizzard needs to act very soon if the recent changes do not open up more options for zerg. A terran said it best (I forget which?): "It takes me about 150 apm to do a couple of drops, and my opponent 500 apm to stop them adequately."

Someone either needs to discover a new way to play zerg, or the race needs to be retooled.
Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
September 23 2010 17:29 GMT
#64
Blizzard will move at whatever pace they seem fit. If you aren't happy with the game then don't play it or switch races, it might speed Blizz up a bit if there is a coordinated effort. Honestly though I would take what "pro's"(especially in the GSL where A LOT of money is involved) say with a grain of salt. They have skin in the game and neutrality is not at the forefront of their mind.

Yes Terran have an advantage, how much of advantage and what changes to lessen it is where the issue lies. If you don't have patience you might as well drop SC2 and not come back for a couple of years because it's a loooong way out before things fully balance themselves.
alot = a lot (TWO WORDS)
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
September 23 2010 17:29 GMT
#65
On September 24 2010 02:25 superbabosheki wrote:
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On September 24 2010 02:14 travis wrote:
who can blame him blizzard clearly is either bad at balancing the game or just doesn't care very much about making it good for top level competition

i guess they just don't mind taking 2 years to balance the game when people are trying to play it for a living


That's stupid. Nobody should be playing SC for a living, maybe as an experience or something, but those who try to make a living off it deserve to get screwd. It's just a game.


I dunno - those bw pros making over 100k+ a year for playing a game probably think they can live off it.
Yargh
Triscuit
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States722 Posts
September 23 2010 17:29 GMT
#66
On September 24 2010 02:25 superbabosheki wrote:
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On September 24 2010 02:14 travis wrote:
who can blame him blizzard clearly is either bad at balancing the game or just doesn't care very much about making it good for top level competition

i guess they just don't mind taking 2 years to balance the game when people are trying to play it for a living


That's stupid. Nobody should be playing SC for a living, maybe as an experience or something, but those who try to make a living off it deserve to get screwd. It's just a game.


I guess those that play professional sports for a living are idiots too, because those are just games.

If people enjoy watching it, there's money to be made. We've seen that people do enjoy watching SC2, for the most part. So it's not a ridiculous idea to base your income off of it if you can.
mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
September 23 2010 17:30 GMT
#67
On September 24 2010 02:25 superbabosheki wrote:
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On September 24 2010 02:14 travis wrote:
who can blame him blizzard clearly is either bad at balancing the game or just doesn't care very much about making it good for top level competition

i guess they just don't mind taking 2 years to balance the game when people are trying to play it for a living


That's stupid. Nobody should be playing SC for a living, maybe as an experience or something, but those who try to make a living off it deserve to get screwd. It's just a game.


do you understand the forum you're posting on?
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atombombforpeace
Profile Joined December 2008
United States408 Posts
September 23 2010 17:30 GMT
#68
Actually, I think this would be a good step towards sc2 becoming more balanced. The way I see it, if everyone plays terran, than the matchups would always be 100 percent fair. The only problem is not everyone has switched to terran yet, something I believe Blizzard is strongly working towards.
proxY_
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1561 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 17:31:24
September 23 2010 17:30 GMT
#69
On September 24 2010 02:23 Grettin wrote:
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On September 24 2010 02:19 proxY_ wrote:
We've seen Dimaga and idrA both vent like this before, until one of them actually switches it doesn't mean anything.


But now there is 85k USD on the table. Changes pretty much everything. Especially when we are talking about Cool or July, one of the top favorites to win GSL.


I agree that they should switch, it surprises me that we haven't had a really high profile zerg player switch yet (though the game is still only like 2 months old).
snowdrift
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France2061 Posts
September 23 2010 17:31 GMT
#70
On September 24 2010 02:14 travis wrote:
who can blame him blizzard clearly is either bad at balancing the game or just doesn't care very much about making it good for top level competition

i guess they just don't mind taking 2 years to balance the game when people are trying to play it for a living


Thinking cynically, I can imagine them seeing this as creating an incentive for people to buy the expansion -- "Heart of the Swarm, finally Zerg is playable!"
NaDa. Our Lord and sAviOr shall return. Learn to nydus you scrub
Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
September 23 2010 17:31 GMT
#71
its too bad Spine crawlers dont totally destroy terran like they do toss.. Medivac healing makes the difference.. but I still think spines need a nerf =/ You see every zerg nowadays (in GSL anyways) just get 40 spine crawlers and pure muta in ZvP, makes the matchup really lame.

Of course, with the zealot nerf also.. Terran has another leg up in TvP too.. Its like blizzard WANTS terran to dominate everything 100% with patch changes like that.
Canada Gaming ~~ The-Feared
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
September 23 2010 17:31 GMT
#72
Cool doesn't know how to use infestors to stop dropships?
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33309 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 17:32:14
September 23 2010 17:31 GMT
#73
kind of off the point of the main post...

But I love that SC II is in its early phases where players will actually post their feelings on the major community sites, instead of having their images groomed and controlled by their corporate handlers like once BW got big -_-
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
September 23 2010 17:32 GMT
#74
On September 24 2010 02:28 KristianJS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 02:25 superbabosheki wrote:
On September 24 2010 02:14 travis wrote:
who can blame him blizzard clearly is either bad at balancing the game or just doesn't care very much about making it good for top level competition

i guess they just don't mind taking 2 years to balance the game when people are trying to play it for a living


That's stupid. Nobody should be playing SC for a living, maybe as an experience or something, but those who try to make a living off it deserve to get screwd. It's just a game.



Is this some kind of a bad joke?


Reading such a comment on TL.net of all places makes me head hurt lol.

Anyways sad to see they might switch, but also good for them if it means they win more. It doesn't matter what race he plays, Cool/Fruitseller will still be a badass worth watching.
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SoL[9]
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Portugal1370 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 17:32:39
September 23 2010 17:32 GMT
#75
On September 24 2010 02:25 superbabosheki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 02:14 travis wrote:
who can blame him blizzard clearly is either bad at balancing the game or just doesn't care very much about making it good for top level competition

i guess they just don't mind taking 2 years to balance the game when people are trying to play it for a living


That's stupid. Nobody should be playing SC for a living, maybe as an experience or something, but those who try to make a living off it deserve to get screwd. It's just a game.


Some one crush your dream to be pro gamer? ^^
Well haters gonna hate.

Julyzerg playing Terran? NOO!!!
I hope blizzard start recruit "progamers" to make this game balance.
I Can Fly...
Nu11
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada167 Posts
September 23 2010 17:32 GMT
#76
In the current state, I seriously wonder why anyone would donate money to competitive play.

The game does not have a competitive integrity.

The imbalance for T is far, far beyond a simple unit or build time.

The entire race, and pretty much everything about it's mechanics and play style is unfair.

When you start a game vs. T, you're already behind and it's a constant battle to get ahead. Even if you take out a base, even if you survive harassment, even if you counter his army perfectly, you're still behind.

Only when you completely decimate your opponent or he slips drastically do you have any chance whatsoever of winning.

On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
September 23 2010 17:32 GMT
#77
This game is turning into WC3 where Undead isn't viable at all for making a competitive living .

The patch blizzard just released isn't bad per se, but should of come out over a month ago when they announced it.
ava34
Profile Joined March 2010
United Kingdom153 Posts
September 23 2010 17:33 GMT
#78
The problem for Blizz is that at this stage it's hard to tell whether supposed "imbalances" are genuine race weaknesses/strengthes, or the result of the game being so young and not all strategies explored.

Something is wrong with T and Z.... but it's hard to tell exactly what. That's why Blizzard is so conservative with their patches.
Fadetowhite
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)302 Posts
September 23 2010 17:33 GMT
#79
so treu it hurts
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Deadlyfish
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1980 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 17:35:07
September 23 2010 17:33 GMT
#80
Everyone is in such a hurry to balance the game perfectly, these things take time.

Broodwar was also super imbalanced in the beginning, every single game is. You cant just expect a 2 month old game to be perfectly balanced. But blizzard is moving in the right direction. Slowly maybe, but still.

Or do people honestly think that zerg is not going to change in the next 10 years? or even ½ a year?

Just stop complaining, play whichever race you want and enjoy the game, the game will be balanced eventually. Maybe in a few months Zerg will dominate.

Every single online game i've ever played in my entire life has been unbalanced for the first few months until they sorted it out.

Name a game that hasnt been unbalanced for the first few months.
If wishes were horses we'd be eating steak right now.
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