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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 17:24:19
September 23 2010 17:23 GMT
#41
On September 24 2010 02:19 proxY_ wrote:
We've seen Dimaga and idrA both vent like this before, until one of them actually switches it doesn't mean anything.


But now there is 85k USD on the table. Changes pretty much everything. Especially when we are talking about Cool or July, one of the top favorites to win GSL.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
SeeDLiNg
Profile Joined January 2010
United States690 Posts
September 23 2010 17:23 GMT
#42
I'm sticking with zerg in hopes that one day we get a unit worth spawning before tier 3
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
September 23 2010 17:23 GMT
#43
On September 24 2010 02:20 Linden wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 02:15 Endorsed wrote:
Fuck if it's this bad, why do I keep losing to zergs It seems to me a soon as zerg hits 3 bases it's so frking hard to win


the game is balanced for the average player. (even some top diamond) Its only in the pro scene where imbalance is really seen


it's not remotely balanced for top diamond

and its definitely not only the pro scene where imbalance is seen

WHY ARE YOU TALKING OUT OF YOUR ASS
SlyinZ
Profile Joined August 2010
France199 Posts
September 23 2010 17:24 GMT
#44
This news makes me a emo zerg, i really hope any zerg will win any tourney.
So we will get massive buffs :l
No seriously dont give up cool !
Toadily
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States837 Posts
September 23 2010 17:24 GMT
#45
can't say i'm surprised at all, i'm not sure if roaches back to 1 supply would even break even at this point
ProV1
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States980 Posts
September 23 2010 17:25 GMT
#46
=(. I hope this imbalance gets balanced soon. T and P only being played isn't fun to watch.
Odds
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada1188 Posts
September 23 2010 17:25 GMT
#47
On September 24 2010 02:14 travis wrote:
who can blame him blizzard clearly is either bad at balancing the game or just doesn't care very much about making it good for top level competition

i guess they just don't mind taking 2 years to balance the game when people are trying to play it for a living

I can't help feeling the same way. Wanting to take a slow and cautious approach is all well and good, but I can't imagine any balance changes that could possibly make things worse. So what if they release a major patch with a lot of significant changes and, shock and horror, Zerg is a little bit imbalanced and they need to backtrack a bit?

Who cares? I'd rather have 3 playable races. The way see it:

Right now, there is a major problem that begs major fixes.
Why not leave the minor, pitiful changes (like in 1.1) until the balance is actually close- and only minor changes are needed?

I really don't understand Blizzard's intense fear of somehow making Zerg 'too strong'. Is it somehow worse than having either of the other races far too strong- as is currently the case with Terran?
Odds.633, AM. Plat level currently. Would love more practice partners, add me, let's play!
shindigs
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4795 Posts
September 23 2010 17:25 GMT
#48
Wow I had no idea how severe the zerg situation was, even in Korea. Now I might consider switching races if it only gets ridiculously harder.
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koppik
Profile Joined April 2010
United States676 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 17:27:56
September 23 2010 17:25 GMT
#49
On September 24 2010 02:23 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 02:20 Linden wrote:
On September 24 2010 02:15 Endorsed wrote:
Fuck if it's this bad, why do I keep losing to zergs It seems to me a soon as zerg hits 3 bases it's so frking hard to win


the game is balanced for the average player. (even some top diamond) Its only in the pro scene where imbalance is really seen


it's not remotely balanced for top diamond

and its definitely not only the pro scene where imbalance is seen

WHY ARE YOU TALKING OUT OF YOUR ASS
It's not just the pro scene, but from the numbers, you can really only see the imbalance in like the top-ish area of diamond. For diamond as a whole, terran isn't that strong from the numbers.

Like, Cool is complaining about Terrans who can control three dropships threatening drops constantly while simultaneously expanding across the map. That isn't going to be an issue for most people.
Parametric
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1261 Posts
September 23 2010 17:25 GMT
#50
On September 24 2010 02:15 Endorsed wrote:
Fuck if it's this bad, why do I keep losing to zergs It seems to me a soon as zerg hits 3 bases it's so frking hard to win




At high skill levels people can do multiple drops while macroing. This is very hard for zerg to deal with especially when terran bio can wtfpwn hatcheries really fast without zerg being able to defend all their expos at once.

At levels (when I was playing 2 weeks ago lol) of mid - low diamond I can just sack an expo and macro know that the person killing my stuff doesn't have the multitasking skills to keep up solid macro with his attack.

Also lower level people have trouble dealing with hive tech, higher level people abuse zerg so that when they hit hive tech they can't afford their broodlords and ultras in the quantities that they need to win.

Zerg is at a solid disadvantage when it comes to holding chokes compared to the other races, in BW I could hold my expos with 3 lurkers + a defiler, no such thing in SC2 for zerg while toss got FF and siege tanks are siege tanks. Zerg harass feels lacking compared to the other races too, another BW example is 12 cracklings + defiler vs expo aka giant middle finger to cannons and any static D.

Crispy Bacon craving overload.
Deleted User 47542
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1484 Posts
September 23 2010 17:25 GMT
#51
On September 24 2010 02:14 travis wrote:
who can blame him blizzard clearly is either bad at balancing the game or just doesn't care very much about making it good for top level competition

i guess they just don't mind taking 2 years to balance the game when people are trying to play it for a living


That's stupid. Nobody should be playing SC for a living, maybe as an experience or something, but those who try to make a living off it deserve to get screwd. It's just a game.
Misanthrope
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States924 Posts
September 23 2010 17:26 GMT
#52
I'm going to stick with Zerg. At their level, it may or may not actually be this difficult, at mine, I have a positive win ratio. I got promoted to diamond from plat by going on a 7 game win streak vs terran. Saaay whaaaaaaat?
Resolve to perform what you ought. Perform without fail what you resolve. - Benjamin Franklin
LuciferSC
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada535 Posts
September 23 2010 17:26 GMT
#53
On September 24 2010 02:20 TheFinalWord wrote:
"If I maintain my muta number, I can't win." I wonder what this means?

Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 02:20 Wr3k wrote:
On September 24 2010 02:15 Endorsed wrote:
Fuck if it's this bad, why do I keep losing to zergs It seems to me a soon as zerg hits 3 bases it's so frking hard to win



Probably because the zergs you are playing would be 200 points above you if the game was balanced?


this makes no sense. He still should be beating zergs lower or equal in skill to him.


I believe Cool meant that if he's to consistantly produce mutalisk to maintain its number, then he's not gonna have enough of roach/hydra to win decisive battles.
Come get some
Ghad
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway2551 Posts
September 23 2010 17:26 GMT
#54
The only reason i stay with zerg another month is that i simply cannot believe that blizzard is going to let this go on for much longer. I am pot committed with nearly half a year of practice on the table, but I swear there are limits to how much i can take before i fold my cards.
forgottendreams: One underage girl, two drunk guys, one gogo dancer and starcraft 2. Apparently just another day in Europe.
KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
September 23 2010 17:27 GMT
#55
Blizzard better be taking note of this and working overtime to save the swarm from extinction

I mean geez, Julyzerg going Terran would be fucking terrible D:
You need to be 100% behind someone before you can stab them in the back
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
September 23 2010 17:27 GMT
#56
On September 24 2010 02:25 superbabosheki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 02:14 travis wrote:
who can blame him blizzard clearly is either bad at balancing the game or just doesn't care very much about making it good for top level competition

i guess they just don't mind taking 2 years to balance the game when people are trying to play it for a living


That's stupid. Nobody should be playing SC for a living, maybe as an experience or something, but those who try to make a living off it deserve to get screwd. It's just a game.

this deserves a swift ban
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
September 23 2010 17:28 GMT
#57
On September 24 2010 02:25 superbabosheki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 02:14 travis wrote:
who can blame him blizzard clearly is either bad at balancing the game or just doesn't care very much about making it good for top level competition

i guess they just don't mind taking 2 years to balance the game when people are trying to play it for a living


That's stupid. Nobody should be playing SC for a living, maybe as an experience or something, but those who try to make a living off it deserve to get screwd. It's just a game.


blizzard theirselves said they wanted to support professional e-sports

so... your opinion doesn't really matter
KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
September 23 2010 17:28 GMT
#58
On September 24 2010 02:25 superbabosheki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 02:14 travis wrote:
who can blame him blizzard clearly is either bad at balancing the game or just doesn't care very much about making it good for top level competition

i guess they just don't mind taking 2 years to balance the game when people are trying to play it for a living


That's stupid. Nobody should be playing SC for a living, maybe as an experience or something, but those who try to make a living off it deserve to get screwd. It's just a game.



Is this some kind of a bad joke?
You need to be 100% behind someone before you can stab them in the back
smore
Profile Joined February 2010
United States156 Posts
September 23 2010 17:28 GMT
#59
i wish more zerg made it to the RO16 of the GSL just to see how "effective" the patch was one balance in TvZ on the top, top level.

and i also hope that more top zergs dont change to terran for GSL2 for the same reason.

hopefully some new zerg heroes will rise up and show us how the game is to be played.
LuciferSC
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada535 Posts
September 23 2010 17:28 GMT
#60
On September 24 2010 02:25 superbabosheki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 02:14 travis wrote:
who can blame him blizzard clearly is either bad at balancing the game or just doesn't care very much about making it good for top level competition

i guess they just don't mind taking 2 years to balance the game when people are trying to play it for a living


That's stupid. Nobody should be playing SC for a living, maybe as an experience or something, but those who try to make a living off it deserve to get screwd. It's just a game.



You are being ignorant and foolish.
Times are changing,and many progamers in Korea are and have been making incomes way above average for a long time now.
Come get some
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