• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 18:03
CEST 00:03
KST 07:03
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments0[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence7Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon9[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent10Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups4WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments1SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia8Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues29LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments3
StarCraft 2
General
#1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy SpeCial on The Tasteless Podcast Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 491 Night Drive Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around
Brood War
General
ASL20 General Discussion [ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence Diplomacy, Cosmonarchy Edition BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group D [ASL20] Ro16 Group C [Megathread] Daily Proleagues SC4ALL $1,500 Open Bracket LAN
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Borderlands 3
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Big Programming Thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Personality of a Spender…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1221 users

Fruitseller (Cool) may change his race in GSL #2 - Page 3

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 87 88 89 Next
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 17:24:19
September 23 2010 17:23 GMT
#41
On September 24 2010 02:19 proxY_ wrote:
We've seen Dimaga and idrA both vent like this before, until one of them actually switches it doesn't mean anything.


But now there is 85k USD on the table. Changes pretty much everything. Especially when we are talking about Cool or July, one of the top favorites to win GSL.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
SeeDLiNg
Profile Joined January 2010
United States690 Posts
September 23 2010 17:23 GMT
#42
I'm sticking with zerg in hopes that one day we get a unit worth spawning before tier 3
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
September 23 2010 17:23 GMT
#43
On September 24 2010 02:20 Linden wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 02:15 Endorsed wrote:
Fuck if it's this bad, why do I keep losing to zergs It seems to me a soon as zerg hits 3 bases it's so frking hard to win


the game is balanced for the average player. (even some top diamond) Its only in the pro scene where imbalance is really seen


it's not remotely balanced for top diamond

and its definitely not only the pro scene where imbalance is seen

WHY ARE YOU TALKING OUT OF YOUR ASS
SlyinZ
Profile Joined August 2010
France199 Posts
September 23 2010 17:24 GMT
#44
This news makes me a emo zerg, i really hope any zerg will win any tourney.
So we will get massive buffs :l
No seriously dont give up cool !
Toadily
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States837 Posts
September 23 2010 17:24 GMT
#45
can't say i'm surprised at all, i'm not sure if roaches back to 1 supply would even break even at this point
ProV1
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States980 Posts
September 23 2010 17:25 GMT
#46
=(. I hope this imbalance gets balanced soon. T and P only being played isn't fun to watch.
Odds
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada1188 Posts
September 23 2010 17:25 GMT
#47
On September 24 2010 02:14 travis wrote:
who can blame him blizzard clearly is either bad at balancing the game or just doesn't care very much about making it good for top level competition

i guess they just don't mind taking 2 years to balance the game when people are trying to play it for a living

I can't help feeling the same way. Wanting to take a slow and cautious approach is all well and good, but I can't imagine any balance changes that could possibly make things worse. So what if they release a major patch with a lot of significant changes and, shock and horror, Zerg is a little bit imbalanced and they need to backtrack a bit?

Who cares? I'd rather have 3 playable races. The way see it:

Right now, there is a major problem that begs major fixes.
Why not leave the minor, pitiful changes (like in 1.1) until the balance is actually close- and only minor changes are needed?

I really don't understand Blizzard's intense fear of somehow making Zerg 'too strong'. Is it somehow worse than having either of the other races far too strong- as is currently the case with Terran?
Odds.633, AM. Plat level currently. Would love more practice partners, add me, let's play!
shindigs
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4795 Posts
September 23 2010 17:25 GMT
#48
Wow I had no idea how severe the zerg situation was, even in Korea. Now I might consider switching races if it only gets ridiculously harder.
Photographer@shindags || twitch.tv/shindigs
koppik
Profile Joined April 2010
United States676 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 17:27:56
September 23 2010 17:25 GMT
#49
On September 24 2010 02:23 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 02:20 Linden wrote:
On September 24 2010 02:15 Endorsed wrote:
Fuck if it's this bad, why do I keep losing to zergs It seems to me a soon as zerg hits 3 bases it's so frking hard to win


the game is balanced for the average player. (even some top diamond) Its only in the pro scene where imbalance is really seen


it's not remotely balanced for top diamond

and its definitely not only the pro scene where imbalance is seen

WHY ARE YOU TALKING OUT OF YOUR ASS
It's not just the pro scene, but from the numbers, you can really only see the imbalance in like the top-ish area of diamond. For diamond as a whole, terran isn't that strong from the numbers.

Like, Cool is complaining about Terrans who can control three dropships threatening drops constantly while simultaneously expanding across the map. That isn't going to be an issue for most people.
Parametric
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1261 Posts
September 23 2010 17:25 GMT
#50
On September 24 2010 02:15 Endorsed wrote:
Fuck if it's this bad, why do I keep losing to zergs It seems to me a soon as zerg hits 3 bases it's so frking hard to win




At high skill levels people can do multiple drops while macroing. This is very hard for zerg to deal with especially when terran bio can wtfpwn hatcheries really fast without zerg being able to defend all their expos at once.

At levels (when I was playing 2 weeks ago lol) of mid - low diamond I can just sack an expo and macro know that the person killing my stuff doesn't have the multitasking skills to keep up solid macro with his attack.

Also lower level people have trouble dealing with hive tech, higher level people abuse zerg so that when they hit hive tech they can't afford their broodlords and ultras in the quantities that they need to win.

Zerg is at a solid disadvantage when it comes to holding chokes compared to the other races, in BW I could hold my expos with 3 lurkers + a defiler, no such thing in SC2 for zerg while toss got FF and siege tanks are siege tanks. Zerg harass feels lacking compared to the other races too, another BW example is 12 cracklings + defiler vs expo aka giant middle finger to cannons and any static D.

Crispy Bacon craving overload.
Deleted User 47542
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1484 Posts
September 23 2010 17:25 GMT
#51
On September 24 2010 02:14 travis wrote:
who can blame him blizzard clearly is either bad at balancing the game or just doesn't care very much about making it good for top level competition

i guess they just don't mind taking 2 years to balance the game when people are trying to play it for a living


That's stupid. Nobody should be playing SC for a living, maybe as an experience or something, but those who try to make a living off it deserve to get screwd. It's just a game.
Misanthrope
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States924 Posts
September 23 2010 17:26 GMT
#52
I'm going to stick with Zerg. At their level, it may or may not actually be this difficult, at mine, I have a positive win ratio. I got promoted to diamond from plat by going on a 7 game win streak vs terran. Saaay whaaaaaaat?
Resolve to perform what you ought. Perform without fail what you resolve. - Benjamin Franklin
LuciferSC
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada535 Posts
September 23 2010 17:26 GMT
#53
On September 24 2010 02:20 TheFinalWord wrote:
"If I maintain my muta number, I can't win." I wonder what this means?

Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 02:20 Wr3k wrote:
On September 24 2010 02:15 Endorsed wrote:
Fuck if it's this bad, why do I keep losing to zergs It seems to me a soon as zerg hits 3 bases it's so frking hard to win



Probably because the zergs you are playing would be 200 points above you if the game was balanced?


this makes no sense. He still should be beating zergs lower or equal in skill to him.


I believe Cool meant that if he's to consistantly produce mutalisk to maintain its number, then he's not gonna have enough of roach/hydra to win decisive battles.
Come get some
Ghad
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway2551 Posts
September 23 2010 17:26 GMT
#54
The only reason i stay with zerg another month is that i simply cannot believe that blizzard is going to let this go on for much longer. I am pot committed with nearly half a year of practice on the table, but I swear there are limits to how much i can take before i fold my cards.
forgottendreams: One underage girl, two drunk guys, one gogo dancer and starcraft 2. Apparently just another day in Europe.
KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
September 23 2010 17:27 GMT
#55
Blizzard better be taking note of this and working overtime to save the swarm from extinction

I mean geez, Julyzerg going Terran would be fucking terrible D:
You need to be 100% behind someone before you can stab them in the back
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
September 23 2010 17:27 GMT
#56
On September 24 2010 02:25 superbabosheki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 02:14 travis wrote:
who can blame him blizzard clearly is either bad at balancing the game or just doesn't care very much about making it good for top level competition

i guess they just don't mind taking 2 years to balance the game when people are trying to play it for a living


That's stupid. Nobody should be playing SC for a living, maybe as an experience or something, but those who try to make a living off it deserve to get screwd. It's just a game.

this deserves a swift ban
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
September 23 2010 17:28 GMT
#57
On September 24 2010 02:25 superbabosheki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 02:14 travis wrote:
who can blame him blizzard clearly is either bad at balancing the game or just doesn't care very much about making it good for top level competition

i guess they just don't mind taking 2 years to balance the game when people are trying to play it for a living


That's stupid. Nobody should be playing SC for a living, maybe as an experience or something, but those who try to make a living off it deserve to get screwd. It's just a game.


blizzard theirselves said they wanted to support professional e-sports

so... your opinion doesn't really matter
KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
September 23 2010 17:28 GMT
#58
On September 24 2010 02:25 superbabosheki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 02:14 travis wrote:
who can blame him blizzard clearly is either bad at balancing the game or just doesn't care very much about making it good for top level competition

i guess they just don't mind taking 2 years to balance the game when people are trying to play it for a living


That's stupid. Nobody should be playing SC for a living, maybe as an experience or something, but those who try to make a living off it deserve to get screwd. It's just a game.



Is this some kind of a bad joke?
You need to be 100% behind someone before you can stab them in the back
smore
Profile Joined February 2010
United States156 Posts
September 23 2010 17:28 GMT
#59
i wish more zerg made it to the RO16 of the GSL just to see how "effective" the patch was one balance in TvZ on the top, top level.

and i also hope that more top zergs dont change to terran for GSL2 for the same reason.

hopefully some new zerg heroes will rise up and show us how the game is to be played.
LuciferSC
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada535 Posts
September 23 2010 17:28 GMT
#60
On September 24 2010 02:25 superbabosheki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 02:14 travis wrote:
who can blame him blizzard clearly is either bad at balancing the game or just doesn't care very much about making it good for top level competition

i guess they just don't mind taking 2 years to balance the game when people are trying to play it for a living


That's stupid. Nobody should be playing SC for a living, maybe as an experience or something, but those who try to make a living off it deserve to get screwd. It's just a game.



You are being ignorant and foolish.
Times are changing,and many progamers in Korea are and have been making incomes way above average for a long time now.
Come get some
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 87 88 89 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 57m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SpeCial 201
ProTech79
Lillekanin 5
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 499
Artosis 102
Backho 67
ggaemo 11
NaDa 9
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K356
Super Smash Bros
PPMD58
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu452
Other Games
summit1g7045
Grubby3850
FrodaN1068
shahzam392
ToD228
C9.Mang0121
NeuroSwarm96
Sick55
ViBE48
Trikslyr43
Nathanias27
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta43
• StrangeGG 25
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 33
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22060
League of Legends
• TFBlade771
Other Games
• Scarra1000
• imaqtpie964
• Shiphtur277
Upcoming Events
OSC
57m
PiGosaur Monday
1h 57m
LiuLi Cup
12h 57m
OSC
20h 57m
RSL Revival
1d 11h
Maru vs Reynor
Cure vs TriGGeR
The PondCast
1d 14h
RSL Revival
2 days
Zoun vs Classic
Korean StarCraft League
3 days
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
[ Show More ]
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Online Event
4 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-09-10
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL World Championship of Poland 2025
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL 21 Team A
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
EC S1
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.