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Agh
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States986 Posts
September 23 2010 17:39 GMT
#101
Really as much as I support it I wish somebody would just step up and do it. Tired of seeing it constantly brought up, yet nobody is actually going through with it.
I may appear to be an emotionless sarcastic pos, but just like an onion when you pull off more and more layers you find the exact same thing everytime and you start crying
Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
September 23 2010 17:40 GMT
#102
Blizzard balance as usual.
There's no S in KT. :P
Cloak
Profile Joined October 2009
United States816 Posts
September 23 2010 17:40 GMT
#103
Come on guys, cheap, uber Dragoons with stim and healing isn't so bad in a Scourgeless environment. Spread your Queens out, duh. Why not give Terran a more powerful Dark Swarm while we're at it. They need it against all those, uhh, Roaches, ya Roaches.
The more you know, the less you understand.
torq
Profile Joined September 2010
United States44 Posts
September 23 2010 17:40 GMT
#104
On September 24 2010 02:29 Carl_Sagan wrote:
Nail in the coffin for me. Blizzard needs to act very soon if the recent changes do not open up more options for zerg. A terran said it best (I forget which?): "It takes me about 150 apm to do a couple of drops, and my opponent 500 apm to stop them adequately."

Someone either needs to discover a new way to play zerg, or the race needs to be retooled.


that is exactly the problem, its not that the zerg units are weaker or less versatile necessarily, the way I (being a low diamond noob random player) see it, the amount of effort it takes to play zerg well is just absurd:

for terran? it requires essentially no extra APM besides production and combat(please dont tell me mule calldowns), protoss? a little extra work with chonoboost but nothing i can't deal with.

and then I get zerg, I have to be constantly aware of larva injection, creep spreading, overlord spreading, overlord crapping over the map, more bases and hence more marco to deal with, the amount of work you need to put in it's just ridiculous.
Metalwing
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Turkey1038 Posts
September 23 2010 17:41 GMT
#105
If Zenio and Cool switch races, and Check changes too, I swear I'll never watch gsl again.
#1 CheckPrime fan // Terrans gonna Terran
proxY_
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1561 Posts
September 23 2010 17:41 GMT
#106
SC2 had one of the longest and largest open betas that we've seen in an RTS, solely to address and work on balance and to give the game validity when they immediately rolled out the 85k tournaments. Not to mention how long the game was in development. If your game only has 3 races and one of the races is by and large seen as non-viable after all that then something went seriously wrong somewhere.
HowardRoark
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
1146 Posts
September 23 2010 17:41 GMT
#107
The main issue that caused this travesty of a game is that Activision-(Blizzard) released the game far too early. It should have been in beta until the game was finished, but since they announced a date for release they could not postpone it - AND the reason why Blizzard were such a good company before was that they COULD postpone a release. But... with Activision in, they simply is not the same company it used to be when Bill Roper et al created SC1.

The dev team of Activision-(Blizzard) are not the same anymore, they consist of War3 devs and some lead designers hailing from C&C. From the beginning it was obvious that Zerg was flawed, and they should have reacted then, now it is too late.

A side note though, is that funnily enough the only matches worth watching are the ones with Zerg in it. TvP is just too bland that I have stopped watching them, so perhaps, perhaps, could it be that the only Starcraft-esque race actually is Zerg and that the other 2 races are flawed? Protoss is too simple to play even for casuals, while Terran design took all the wrong turns with reapers, marauders and hellions. These 3 units somehow feel incredibly wrong for a sequal to the THE Game.

Perhaps, since PvT is unwatchable, that Zerg are the only true race in the sequel to SC1?
"It is really good to get the double observatory if you want to get the speed and sight range for the observer simultaneously. It's a little bit of an advanced tactic, and by advanced, I mean really fucking bad."
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
September 23 2010 17:41 GMT
#108
On September 24 2010 02:35 JinDesu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 02:31 PrinceXizor wrote:
Cool doesn't know how to use infestors to stop dropships?


Probably pretty hard to get your infestors into multiple positions and then expect to fg them at the right time - especially if the terran is that good


No, i honestly beleive that he just hasn't practiced with it at all. because if i can do it against top diamond 100% of the time then he can do it vs pros 100% of the time. it's really easy, the hardest is vs speed warp prisms, those things are so fast and small. but still it takes like a few hours of practice to get comfortable enough with doing it.

There is no way cool would complain specifically about drops if he could use infestors very well and got them soon enough.
knL
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany400 Posts
September 23 2010 17:42 GMT
#109
uuuuhhh really interesting discussion never seen that before...
theqat
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States2856 Posts
September 23 2010 17:42 GMT
#110
On September 24 2010 02:39 Deadlyfish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 02:36 theqat wrote:
On September 24 2010 02:33 Deadlyfish wrote:
Everyone is in such a hurry to balance the game perfectly, these things take time.

Broodwar was also super imbalanced in the beginning, every single game is. You cant just expect a 2 month old game to be perfectly balanced. But blizzard is moving in the right direction. Slowly maybe, but still.

Or do people honestly think that zerg is not going to change in the next 10 years? or even ½ a year?

Just stop complaining, play whichever race you want and enjoy the game, the game will be balanced eventually. Maybe in a few months Zerg will dominate.


The players complaining in the OP are trying to make a living purely off the game and it is unquestionably Blizzard's fault that they can't do so with the race they initially chose. If you're going to thrust your game into $85k tournaments right off the bat, it had better at least approach balanced, but I think we all know Blizz failed at that pretty hard. Now we can only hope they shift into a higher gear for the next patch.



Do you think blizzard cares if some Koreans cant make money off of their game? No, and neither do I.

People expect blizzard to balance out a massive online game within a few months, when new strategies are showing up every day. It's a really hard thing to do, and it takes time.

But seriously, name a game that was balanced right from the beginning. Any online game.


No online game has ever been balanced from the beginning, but between beta and two months post-release, they could have done a lot more by now. The evidence is right there in their faces, from the disturbingly low quantity of Zerg players to tournament results to every third thread on TL. They're not being proactive enough.
Augury
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States758 Posts
September 23 2010 17:42 GMT
#111
I wouldn't expect Zerg to really be a top contender or at the very least a complete race until HotS. Balance changes aren't going to fix the Zerg issue, it's going to need to be something larger.

People also need to relax, this same thing happened in Wc3. Top players will always be top players, there's no reason to freak out with every patch. All it takes is one Zerg that can switch things around for the race, not to mention the 'top players' are going to change a lot in the following year.
Punkstar
Profile Joined July 2010
Slovakia522 Posts
September 23 2010 17:43 GMT
#112
On September 24 2010 02:34 TBO wrote:
I'd really like to see Cool's Terran vs TLO's Zerg.

I think Cool stated that he would demolish any zerg in the world while offracing. i get it was kinda overreacting / frustration but i think TLo would not stand a chance..
When in doubt, just drone up.
Illusion.
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States348 Posts
September 23 2010 17:44 GMT
#113
i think this is where Blizzard brings back scourge?
STORK FOR LIFE.
Nachtigaller
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany36 Posts
September 23 2010 17:44 GMT
#114
have you ever played world of warcraft?
for those of you who dont:
with the addon wrath of the lichking they introduced a new class, the death knight.
It was so unbelievably overpowered that it could 3-4 shot any other class in pvp, was nearly unkillable and had huge control over the match.
It took them 6 month to fix them even if they always said that "they are aware of the issue".
I dont expect them to tune zerg up in the near future.
Wissen ist Nacht
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
September 23 2010 17:45 GMT
#115

On September 24 2010 02:39 Deadlyfish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 02:36 theqat wrote:
On September 24 2010 02:33 Deadlyfish wrote:
Everyone is in such a hurry to balance the game perfectly, these things take time.

Broodwar was also super imbalanced in the beginning, every single game is. You cant just expect a 2 month old game to be perfectly balanced. But blizzard is moving in the right direction. Slowly maybe, but still.

Or do people honestly think that zerg is not going to change in the next 10 years? or even ½ a year?

Just stop complaining, play whichever race you want and enjoy the game, the game will be balanced eventually. Maybe in a few months Zerg will dominate.


The players complaining in the OP are trying to make a living purely off the game and it is unquestionably Blizzard's fault that they can't do so with the race they initially chose. If you're going to thrust your game into $85k tournaments right off the bat, it had better at least approach balanced, but I think we all know Blizz failed at that pretty hard. Now we can only hope they shift into a higher gear for the next patch.



Do you think blizzard cares if some Koreans cant make money off of their game? No, and neither do I.

People expect blizzard to balance out a massive online game within a few months, when new strategies are showing up every day. It's a really hard thing to do, and it takes time.

But seriously, name a game that was balanced right from the beginning. Any online game.

Well supposedly they do, or why are they shitting on KESPA and working with GOM instead?
And also no, fuck that, they were quick on the trigger during beta why stop now.
This shit makes no sense.
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
Zaphid
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1860 Posts
September 23 2010 17:45 GMT
#116
In the last podcast, which was recorded pre 1.1, Artosis said that if the only changes to zerg are those in the situation report, it's going to get even worse and I guess he was right.
I will never ever play Mech against Protoss. - MVP
Misanthrope
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States924 Posts
September 23 2010 17:45 GMT
#117
Is this post 1.1?
Resolve to perform what you ought. Perform without fail what you resolve. - Benjamin Franklin
Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 17:45:52
September 23 2010 17:45 GMT
#118
Now its getting serious a patch which barely helps and top koreans going crazy, but still nothing pisses me off as low diamond and lower ranks crying like its auto loss for them.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
September 23 2010 17:45 GMT
#119
On September 24 2010 02:43 Punkstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 02:34 TBO wrote:
I'd really like to see Cool's Terran vs TLO's Zerg.

I think Cool stated that he would demolish any zerg in the world while offracing. i get it was kinda overreacting / frustration but i think TLo would not stand a chance..

Cool = Saving private ryan in TvZ
TLO = Forrest Gump in ZvT

Both great, but only one of them stays in your mind a long time after you watch it. and TLO plays random, you never know what he's gonna get.
Konsume
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada466 Posts
September 23 2010 17:45 GMT
#120
Bah it's ok.... I got into Poker and Civilization 5 just went out!

<== playing SC2 casualy right now since it just feels bad to play the game. Hell I play SC:BW more than I play SC2 right now :D
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
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