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DorN
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany90 Posts
September 05 2010 16:07 GMT
#41
No Stream => No Premium Viewers => No Money for the ESL => No Pricemoney => No Cup

Have fun with the Ban Morrow.
Kalkom
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany15 Posts
September 05 2010 16:08 GMT
#42
The basic idea of running a tournament with a prize pool is you offer prize money and
in return you get content to show to your viewers.

So if ESL organizes a tournament they want to show it to their viewers and if MorroW refuses to let them do so, the ban is reasonable.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
September 05 2010 16:10 GMT
#43
On September 06 2010 01:07 GenoZStriker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 01:05 youngminii wrote:
Don't defend him just because you're a fanboy. Sure, I like Morrow, I think he's usually very manner, however this was a 100% dickish move on his part and anyone trying to defend his actions needs to reevaluate how they view things.

That said, I do find it strange coming from Morrow, he's usually not dickish at all.

What's more dickish? Obs refusing to not leave the game when they are lagging or MorroW refusing the laggers to join in and go with a small numbers of obs (including the official streamer ESL)

That's a good deal of utter bullshit you just pulled out from your ass.

User was warned for this post
lalala
SoL[9]
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Portugal1370 Posts
September 05 2010 16:10 GMT
#44
Ya i agreed with the rule that player need to let the streamers cast their game. But not like ESL do...They have 21526534645 observers in one game come on that is stupid is like my english...
3/4 streams is fine.

I remember watching Morrow vs Dimaga. Morrow say to them to leave and ofc nobody leaves.
In first game Morrow blame lag to for losing a few reapers and in 3 game probably a more serious problem 1 caster lag the game when Dimaga was doing a crucial attack. He fail and loss the game. So ESL should have 3/4 officials streamers per game.
I Can Fly...
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-05 16:12:58
September 05 2010 16:11 GMT
#45
This is an issue I ran into on a smaller scale while casting the i40 tournament. A player refused to be cast due to 'nerves'. Thing is he didn't have the right to say no, it was in the terms and conditions of his i40 ticket that he consented to being filmed and photographed for promotional purposes, including his gaming, plus the tournament very clearly stated that it would be broadcast. As a result he stopped me from doing my job, pissed off 3,500 viewers at the time and held up the entire event. Oh and then he came down after the final with 5 of his drunken mates berating me for calling his behaviour moronic on the stream. GG.

In this case, having multiple spectators is dumb, really dumb. It's the reason I don't allow anyone else to spectate SHOUTcraft matches, because it's a disservice to the players. Bnet blows chunks, is that the charming American phrase? Yes I believe so and multiple in-game spectators can really screw things up.

However, players have to realise that ESPORTS is bigger than them, much bigger. In order for it to thrive it has to be watched, because if it's not watched, then sponsors don't care about it and won't inject money into it which ultimately means you, as a good player, don't get paid. Thousands of spectators > you. When you play competitively, when you play with money on the line, you accept the strings to which that money is attached, ie. the sponsors must be sufficient promotion to justify their investment. If you do not accept that, then please do not get involved in ESPORTS.

In this case, MorroW had a point and honestly, loads of people spectating competitive games via BNet is dumb as shit and should not be happening at all. BNet can't handle it, which ultimately is Blizzards fault but we are stuck with what we've got for the time being and we have to adapt to that environment. That said, he also broke tournament rules and deserves to be punished under those rules. It seems to me that if all of these spectators were streamers, they should perhaps organise amongst themselves which games will be cast (unless it's 1 at a time, which I assume during qualifiers it probably isn't) and not dogpile the high-profile players games just because it'll get them extra views. This can and will be a problem in future and casters need to take at least some responsibility for that. As someone has mentioned earlier, ESL should perhaps vet and limit who gets to cast what, rather than simply allowing it to be a free for all for anyone with a Ustream channel.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
AmaZing
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Nepal299 Posts
September 05 2010 16:13 GMT
#46
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 06 2010 01:04 genai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 01:01 AmaZing wrote:
but seriously if a fucking player does not want you in the freaking game, he doesnt want you in the FREAKING GAME! So bm these ppl. I know BigT wasnt at fault and i didnt think he was at fault the last time either but WOW wtf. because a caster "WANTED TO JOIN", STFU and join one of the other 31 games... ffs


If a player doesnt want obs in the freaking game... then dont join the tournament where you need to have (rules) said tournaments obs in the game... stfu and join 10 other tournaments!


If the player complains of LAG stfu and tell those streamers to fuck off.. BM is BM either way.
ಠ_ಠ
piegasm
Profile Joined August 2010
United States266 Posts
September 05 2010 16:14 GMT
#47
On September 06 2010 01:10 SoL[9] wrote:
Ya i agreed with the rule that player need to let the streamers cast their game. But not like ESL do...They have 21526534645 observers in one game come on that is stupid is like my english...
3/4 streams is fine.

I remember watching Morrow vs Dimaga. Morrow say to them to leave and ofc nobody leaves.
In first game Morrow blame lag to for losing a few reapers and in 3 game probably a more serious problem 1 caster lag the game when Dimaga was doing a crucial attack. He fail and loss the game. So ESL should have 3/4 officials streamers per game.


BNet needs the ability to set a lobby to invite only. It's absolutely absurd than anyone can join a game on a friend without knowing if they're welcome or not. Even if you enable the ability to join on a friend, the lobby host should get a pop-up that says "X wishes to join the lobby. Accept? Y/N".
knL
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany400 Posts
September 05 2010 16:14 GMT
#48
I think the main problem is the totaly ****ed up observer count. Esl should provide 1 german (cause they are german) and 1-2 featured international Streams and done. Those laggy obs and friends just make the tournament more difficult.
Kerotan89
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom51 Posts
September 05 2010 16:14 GMT
#49
I really think this is stupid, and I think most of the casters out there forcing themselves into games are morons.

If the tournament says they want casters in the game, they should get there own official fricking caster to do it, not get the whole game full with 10 other people all live streaming one game.

One person observing, then have casters restream the game and do commentary without flooding the game and causing potential lag, slowdowns.
Rawr
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
September 05 2010 16:17 GMT
#50
it was the final and take is the official streamer. its just retarded to not let him join...have fun with the ban.
FTD
Fadetowhite
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)302 Posts
September 05 2010 16:17 GMT
#51
cause having 10 different streamers is needed right.

it just laggs the game and breaks the players concentration
메신저
Mateo0
Profile Joined August 2010
France112 Posts
September 05 2010 16:18 GMT
#52
BigT strikes again. Why would a private message(even streamed, streamers are not supposed to stream chats I guess) taken into consideration ...
m4553 always in my heart.
jeddus
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States832 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-05 16:19:02
September 05 2010 16:18 GMT
#53
Cast the replays.
TSL baby, TSL. \m/

Or, if you want to attempt live..

Start with a streamer...
Keep the players in optimal conditions.

If lag occurs, save replays, turn them into the tournament admins for delayed broadcast.
sex appeal
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
September 05 2010 16:19 GMT
#54
but all of you dont get it that there is exactly !1! offical stream. its not about freaking 10 obs slowing the game down but not letting the OFFICIAL stream in........
FTD
Dekker
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany169 Posts
September 05 2010 16:20 GMT
#55
On September 06 2010 01:14 Kerotan89 wrote:
I really think this is stupid, and I think most of the casters out there forcing themselves into games are morons.


As said before, its a rule. But it shows something Blizzard should realy consider changing:
The "follow"-feature for all custom games was the most imprudent one ever. It would have been a better approach by Blizzard to develop something along the line of waaaghtv. Maybe for the second featurepatch?
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
September 05 2010 16:20 GMT
#56
Only one streamer should be needed. It's not fair to players when their performance has to suffer because of observers.
rip passion
jeddus
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States832 Posts
September 05 2010 16:21 GMT
#57
On September 06 2010 01:19 TRAP[yoo] wrote:
but all of you dont get it that there is exactly !1! offical stream. its not about freaking 10 obs slowing the game down but not letting the OFFICIAL stream in........


If the official stream results in lag, then this needs to be voiced to the admin.

Then do as follows:

Save replays, turn them into the caster, let the official cast do a slightly delayed broadcast.

The difference is, what, 30 minutes?
sex appeal
Zealotdriver
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1557 Posts
September 05 2010 16:21 GMT
#58
On September 06 2010 00:56 RifleCow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 00:44 HolydaKing wrote:
From what i remember he didn't let TaKe join (or did he just start the game without him?) and after that he said the following stuff to BigT: http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/2017/morrowfail.jpg

That being said, there's probably more about it!

Edit: Apparently he just started the game even though he knew Take (ESL TV) wanted to join!


Shouldn't of
posted that picture man, you got him banned for 2 additional weeks because of it.


This is wrong. You shouldn't have used the word "of" in place of "have."

Also, this is another reminder to watch what you say on battle.net and online in general. Everything is logged and in this case streamed.

That said, I agree with the ban. Tournaments aren't about playing the game. The whole point of a Tournament is to have spectators watch the game being played. The event is not for the players, it is for the spectators.
Turn off the radio
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
September 05 2010 16:22 GMT
#59
On September 06 2010 01:10 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 01:07 GenoZStriker wrote:
On September 06 2010 01:05 youngminii wrote:
Don't defend him just because you're a fanboy. Sure, I like Morrow, I think he's usually very manner, however this was a 100% dickish move on his part and anyone trying to defend his actions needs to reevaluate how they view things.

That said, I do find it strange coming from Morrow, he's usually not dickish at all.

What's more dickish? Obs refusing to not leave the game when they are lagging or MorroW refusing the laggers to join in and go with a small numbers of obs (including the official streamer ESL)

That's a good deal of utter bullshit you just pulled out from your ass.


He kept it at your level.
DorN
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany90 Posts
September 05 2010 16:22 GMT
#60
On September 06 2010 01 Fadetowhite wrote:
cause having 10 different streamers is needed right.

it just laggs the game and breaks the players concentration


There is just one official Streamer and that is Take.
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