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On September 07 2010 03:59 TheDna wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 14:33 grobo wrote:On September 06 2010 11:55 TheDna wrote:
Very bad move by Morrow. The ban for should be way longer so he would actually learn his lesson there. Big diva move that should be punished hard. 2 wins(2weeks = 2games) at eps is prolly like 100bucks, he just won a big tournament and wont care alot.
He was told that the rules would be changed next week.. He still goes ahead and decides to be a diva about it and insta starts a final game. There was no reason for that behavior whatsoever.
I think alot of ppl will change their opinion about morrow, he already came across quite arrogant in some of the early beta interviews and just confirmed my initial thoughts about him. If anything a lot of people probably changed their opinion of morrow for the better after this, what he did was just fine. 14 casters... i thought the OP was just being hyperbole to get his point across but when i found out it was actually true i nearly choked, 14 casters is fucking ridiculous. Oh and Diva? hahaha He didnt have to let 14 casters in lol. This thread is so full of crap its not even funny anymore...
Than you get real winners like BigT who go and cry to the admins so hard that they penalize the person.
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On September 07 2010 03:59 TheDna wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 14:33 grobo wrote:On September 06 2010 11:55 TheDna wrote:
Very bad move by Morrow. The ban for should be way longer so he would actually learn his lesson there. Big diva move that should be punished hard. 2 wins(2weeks = 2games) at eps is prolly like 100bucks, he just won a big tournament and wont care alot.
He was told that the rules would be changed next week.. He still goes ahead and decides to be a diva about it and insta starts a final game. There was no reason for that behavior whatsoever.
I think alot of ppl will change their opinion about morrow, he already came across quite arrogant in some of the early beta interviews and just confirmed my initial thoughts about him. If anything a lot of people probably changed their opinion of morrow for the better after this, what he did was just fine. 14 casters... i thought the OP was just being hyperbole to get his point across but when i found out it was actually true i nearly choked, 14 casters is fucking ridiculous. Oh and Diva? hahaha He didnt have to let 14 casters in lol. This thread is so full of crap its not even funny anymore...
I watched when Morrow was playing dimaga, and in that game there most definitely was 14 casters.
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On September 07 2010 04:07 coddan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 03:59 TheDna wrote:On September 06 2010 14:33 grobo wrote:On September 06 2010 11:55 TheDna wrote:
Very bad move by Morrow. The ban for should be way longer so he would actually learn his lesson there. Big diva move that should be punished hard. 2 wins(2weeks = 2games) at eps is prolly like 100bucks, he just won a big tournament and wont care alot.
He was told that the rules would be changed next week.. He still goes ahead and decides to be a diva about it and insta starts a final game. There was no reason for that behavior whatsoever.
I think alot of ppl will change their opinion about morrow, he already came across quite arrogant in some of the early beta interviews and just confirmed my initial thoughts about him. If anything a lot of people probably changed their opinion of morrow for the better after this, what he did was just fine. 14 casters... i thought the OP was just being hyperbole to get his point across but when i found out it was actually true i nearly choked, 14 casters is fucking ridiculous. Oh and Diva? hahaha He didnt have to let 14 casters in lol. This thread is so full of crap its not even funny anymore... I watched when Morrow was playing dimaga, and in that game there most definitely was 14 casters.
Yea but he wasnt forced to have 14 casters in his games. That would be ridiculous.
But he didnt even have Take, the official cast, in one of the final games..
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On September 07 2010 04:12 TheDna wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 04:07 coddan wrote:On September 07 2010 03:59 TheDna wrote:On September 06 2010 14:33 grobo wrote:On September 06 2010 11:55 TheDna wrote:
Very bad move by Morrow. The ban for should be way longer so he would actually learn his lesson there. Big diva move that should be punished hard. 2 wins(2weeks = 2games) at eps is prolly like 100bucks, he just won a big tournament and wont care alot.
He was told that the rules would be changed next week.. He still goes ahead and decides to be a diva about it and insta starts a final game. There was no reason for that behavior whatsoever.
I think alot of ppl will change their opinion about morrow, he already came across quite arrogant in some of the early beta interviews and just confirmed my initial thoughts about him. If anything a lot of people probably changed their opinion of morrow for the better after this, what he did was just fine. 14 casters... i thought the OP was just being hyperbole to get his point across but when i found out it was actually true i nearly choked, 14 casters is fucking ridiculous. Oh and Diva? hahaha He didnt have to let 14 casters in lol. This thread is so full of crap its not even funny anymore... I watched when Morrow was playing dimaga, and in that game there most definitely was 14 casters. Yea but he wasnt forced to have 14 casters in his games. That would be ridiculous. But he didnt even have Take, the official cast, in one of the final games..
This is what caused the problem.
Either way I hope ESL EU learns from this and stops with their caster free for all. It's a really stupid idea.
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ESL just keeps getting more bad publicity. If this keeps up I think they're going to have to do something about their rules.
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On September 07 2010 03:37 Zeon0 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 12:22 IdrA wrote:On September 06 2010 11:46 deL wrote:On September 06 2010 10:01 uzrOne wrote:
It should really be up to the players wheter or not there should be streamers, this is some retarded shit.. I disagree, without spectators and fans the tourney wouldn't even be running. However, I think if lag is a problem they should reduce it to just the 'official' streamers and others can find a different game. Also I think if there is lag even the official streamers should man up and make the call to cover a different game because no one is going to enjoy watching a laggy game anyway. you dont have to stream LIVE to stream. the integrity of the tournaments (lag and cheating off the streams as well as things like bigt telling players what their opponents did in past matches), and avoiding drama bullshit like this, is far more important than a 15-30 minute delay. if you dont want to be spoiled dont watch the chat and dont go to websites until you're finished watching. simple as that. just say that players must submit their replays immediately after the match, and then you broadcast whichever ones you want whenever you want, you can do replays of famous players immediately after their matches and itll be essentially the same as watching the tournament live, or you can pick and choose the best matches for a different kind of entertainment value. its actually better in every single way. sports has to be live. imagine a delayed super bowl or soccer world cup, that would just be ridiculous.
Imagine if watching on TV caused the players to lag out? Just as bad of analogy.
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On September 07 2010 04:25 Pufftrees wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 03:37 Zeon0 wrote:On September 06 2010 12:22 IdrA wrote:On September 06 2010 11:46 deL wrote:On September 06 2010 10:01 uzrOne wrote:
It should really be up to the players wheter or not there should be streamers, this is some retarded shit.. I disagree, without spectators and fans the tourney wouldn't even be running. However, I think if lag is a problem they should reduce it to just the 'official' streamers and others can find a different game. Also I think if there is lag even the official streamers should man up and make the call to cover a different game because no one is going to enjoy watching a laggy game anyway. you dont have to stream LIVE to stream. the integrity of the tournaments (lag and cheating off the streams as well as things like bigt telling players what their opponents did in past matches), and avoiding drama bullshit like this, is far more important than a 15-30 minute delay. if you dont want to be spoiled dont watch the chat and dont go to websites until you're finished watching. simple as that. just say that players must submit their replays immediately after the match, and then you broadcast whichever ones you want whenever you want, you can do replays of famous players immediately after their matches and itll be essentially the same as watching the tournament live, or you can pick and choose the best matches for a different kind of entertainment value. its actually better in every single way. sports has to be live. imagine a delayed super bowl or soccer world cup, that would just be ridiculous. Imagine if watching on TV caused the players to lag out? Just as bad of analogy.
imagine adbreaks at sport events. oh wait
entertainment is more important than the sports^^
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On September 07 2010 05:21 Zeon0 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 04:25 Pufftrees wrote:On September 07 2010 03:37 Zeon0 wrote:On September 06 2010 12:22 IdrA wrote:On September 06 2010 11:46 deL wrote:On September 06 2010 10:01 uzrOne wrote:
It should really be up to the players wheter or not there should be streamers, this is some retarded shit.. I disagree, without spectators and fans the tourney wouldn't even be running. However, I think if lag is a problem they should reduce it to just the 'official' streamers and others can find a different game. Also I think if there is lag even the official streamers should man up and make the call to cover a different game because no one is going to enjoy watching a laggy game anyway. you dont have to stream LIVE to stream. the integrity of the tournaments (lag and cheating off the streams as well as things like bigt telling players what their opponents did in past matches), and avoiding drama bullshit like this, is far more important than a 15-30 minute delay. if you dont want to be spoiled dont watch the chat and dont go to websites until you're finished watching. simple as that. just say that players must submit their replays immediately after the match, and then you broadcast whichever ones you want whenever you want, you can do replays of famous players immediately after their matches and itll be essentially the same as watching the tournament live, or you can pick and choose the best matches for a different kind of entertainment value. its actually better in every single way. sports has to be live. imagine a delayed super bowl or soccer world cup, that would just be ridiculous. Imagine if watching on TV caused the players to lag out? Just as bad of analogy. imagine adbreaks at sport events. oh wait entertainment is more important than the sports^^
How do you manage to compare adbreaks to lag?
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On September 07 2010 03:37 Zeon0 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 12:22 IdrA wrote:On September 06 2010 11:46 deL wrote:On September 06 2010 10:01 uzrOne wrote:
It should really be up to the players wheter or not there should be streamers, this is some retarded shit.. I disagree, without spectators and fans the tourney wouldn't even be running. However, I think if lag is a problem they should reduce it to just the 'official' streamers and others can find a different game. Also I think if there is lag even the official streamers should man up and make the call to cover a different game because no one is going to enjoy watching a laggy game anyway. you dont have to stream LIVE to stream. the integrity of the tournaments (lag and cheating off the streams as well as things like bigt telling players what their opponents did in past matches), and avoiding drama bullshit like this, is far more important than a 15-30 minute delay. if you dont want to be spoiled dont watch the chat and dont go to websites until you're finished watching. simple as that. just say that players must submit their replays immediately after the match, and then you broadcast whichever ones you want whenever you want, you can do replays of famous players immediately after their matches and itll be essentially the same as watching the tournament live, or you can pick and choose the best matches for a different kind of entertainment value. its actually better in every single way. sports has to be live. imagine a delayed super bowl or soccer world cup, that would just be ridiculous.
Cause you can cheat off the stream at the super bowl?
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lag is fcking terrible. morrow should have invited official casters only tho
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Kinda sad to see people using this as another outlet to express their hate for BigT. Did he murder one of your family members? I think the grudge has gone on long enough.
Anyway. Morrow brought a lot of this on himself by whispering BigT and we brought a lot of this on ourselves for giving him the huge ego that led to it.
We are all to blame.
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1. You don't need 14 people casting the game. Let the hosts cast it. Others can re-stream it.
2. Tournament organizers should be streaming replays to improve the lag.
I can understand Morrow's frustration.
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On September 07 2010 03:40 xylos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 12:22 IdrA wrote:On September 06 2010 11:46 deL wrote:On September 06 2010 10:01 uzrOne wrote:
It should really be up to the players wheter or not there should be streamers, this is some retarded shit.. I disagree, without spectators and fans the tourney wouldn't even be running. However, I think if lag is a problem they should reduce it to just the 'official' streamers and others can find a different game. Also I think if there is lag even the official streamers should man up and make the call to cover a different game because no one is going to enjoy watching a laggy game anyway. you dont have to stream LIVE to stream. the integrity of the tournaments (lag and cheating off the streams as well as things like bigt telling players what their opponents did in past matches), and avoiding drama bullshit like this, is far more important than a 15-30 minute delay. if you dont want to be spoiled dont watch the chat and dont go to websites until you're finished watching. simple as that. just say that players must submit their replays immediately after the match, and then you broadcast whichever ones you want whenever you want, you can do replays of famous players immediately after their matches and itll be essentially the same as watching the tournament live, or you can pick and choose the best matches for a different kind of entertainment value. its actually better in every single way. Well I guess that the most viewers want to watch it live, and the people watching are more important than the players.
you dont need 14 different streamers for people to have a live watching experience.
pretty much limitless people can watch just ONE streamer doing ONE stream, anything else is pretty much overkill and if a player doesn't want to deal with lag it should always be his choice.
Come to think of it the player shouldn't have to say anything at all, any observer it a pro match should have the common courtesy to leave or not join at all if they have any reason to believe they may be affecting the performance of the game. If they don't then they are just selfish assholes and shouldn't ever be allowed to observe pro matches period.
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pretty much limitless people can watch just ONE streamer doing ONE stream, anything else is pretty much overkill and if a player doesn't want to deal with lag it should always be his choice.
Or if he does not like that rule he should aways not play the cup then.
Oh id love the esl to change the rule so that only esl is allowed. Couldn't possibly withstand my mind thinking about how people will cry again what a dickish company esl is for only allowing their own casters and streamers with such a low quality. <3
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At the end of the day Blizzard needs to take some blame for this: they knew in advance that live casting occurs in eSports and should have had a solution in place (ie something akin to WaaaaghTV). There is no reason why BNET 2.0 should not have come with tournament features that facilitated live spectating or replay casting, yet here we are in 2010 and we have less to work with than the old BW (which at least wasn't region-locked).
For those who state that 14 casters are too much, I would agree except the situation in the EU is that people want to hear the games cast in their own language, of which there are many - German, English, French, Dutch, Spanish, Swedish, etc. There are also clear caster preferences between different communities. Thus, you need multiple casters and while you can always re-stream someone else's cast, that's not ideal because casters typically want to be able to move the camera themselves.
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Its stupid that you need to have so many in the games, and its good they are changing it, shouldnt have to let every tom dick and harry in!!!
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On September 07 2010 03:37 Zeon0 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 12:22 IdrA wrote:On September 06 2010 11:46 deL wrote:On September 06 2010 10:01 uzrOne wrote:
It should really be up to the players wheter or not there should be streamers, this is some retarded shit.. I disagree, without spectators and fans the tourney wouldn't even be running. However, I think if lag is a problem they should reduce it to just the 'official' streamers and others can find a different game. Also I think if there is lag even the official streamers should man up and make the call to cover a different game because no one is going to enjoy watching a laggy game anyway. you dont have to stream LIVE to stream. the integrity of the tournaments (lag and cheating off the streams as well as things like bigt telling players what their opponents did in past matches), and avoiding drama bullshit like this, is far more important than a 15-30 minute delay. if you dont want to be spoiled dont watch the chat and dont go to websites until you're finished watching. simple as that. just say that players must submit their replays immediately after the match, and then you broadcast whichever ones you want whenever you want, you can do replays of famous players immediately after their matches and itll be essentially the same as watching the tournament live, or you can pick and choose the best matches for a different kind of entertainment value. its actually better in every single way. sports has to be live. imagine a delayed super bowl or soccer world cup, that would just be ridiculous.
lol, this is one of the worst analogies of all time. The super bowl/world cup don't have to worry about lag/latency issues with their streams, potential cheating, etc. There is no reason for it not to be live. While I am neutral about what idra said you should come up with a relevant argument.
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allow 2 official casters, 1 must be english. stream games live. add a bit more delay.
(admins scout for strange moves, that could be caused by having stream info)
tbh, if you watch "sports" you want to see it live! it's just so much more exciting, even tho it shouldnt make a difference... anyways, people dont act rational all the time!
And ofc you have to respect the pro players, but without the fans they wouldn't earn any money. no interest in a sport, no money, no "pros". so please show some respect for your fans as well 
gl hf
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*Edit* Wrong thread
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how can anyone really be favouring replaycasts over livestreams? that's just pathetic.
easy way to solve the problem: get licensed streamer, limit them to one per major language per game(english, french, german, maybe russian), have 4 ppl obs the game, enjoy live and lagg-free games.
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